way to avoid the question. i accept your defeat.
yes this is exactly what im saying, that in CERTAIN poses he has loose skin. this holds true for alot of bodybuilders. titus titties didnt look like they had loose skin till he flexed them. many other examples are out there. also, the wrinkles of skin on the tri are on the very inside and under arm, so please dont post a side tri. also the majority of bodybuilders have loose skin there, as a result of the pose.
the skin is wrinkled in the lat spread, you agreed. the skin is wrinkled in the tri in this pose, its right there for you to see. how can you deny it, everyone can see it.
im not arguing that its a disadvantage or advantage or anything. im just correcting you that hulkster and co are right, it is loose skin on the lower back. jay has it also. are you suggesting that jay somehow has loose skin while dorian has wrinkles? lol give me a break its the same thing. dorian is not special(youd like to believe that he has super powers) he has the same thing cutler has, but to a lesser degree. cutler also doest have the loose skin to the same extent when showing the christmas tree, further proof that it is the same thing.
so basically ive shown, pic evidence, logical arguments and analogies to prove my point. but you just wont accept it because you beleive dorian had the best conditioning seen, and never had one conditioning flaw. while others like lee priest have ripped upper bodies, and soft legs. or ronnies has crazy conditioned arms and less detailed calves. somehow dorian has uniform conditioning on every inch and this fact disproves picture evidence that everyone can clearly see. i dont care who said what, if you can see something to the opposite, they are wrong. reality doesnt change because of status.
please admit your wrong, or your cred is shot. and your doing the same thing you accuse everyone else of doing, being completely biased and unwilling to listen to reason.
i can see ronnies flaws.
shitty abs.
side tri is lacking
bad calves.
gut at some points(dorian also had one, the mandatories are all that matter)
his lower back wasnt as dry as dorians.
but im willing to listen to reason, and if you put a photo in front of me showing ronnies distention, i wouldnt put up a quote saying he didnt because the quote is wrong. i can see it for myself. maybe the person never saw this photo, is a friend of ronnies, didnt comment on it, is biased, didnt want negativity. the fact is that the picture shows loose skin, you cant convince me that it doesnt because reality, THE PIC does. the pic is not adding something, its just showing whats there at that particular time.
way to avoid the question. i accept your defeat.
yes this is exactly what im saying, that in CERTAIN poses he has loose skin. this holds true for alot of bodybuilders. titus titties didnt look like they had loose skin till he flexed them. many other examples are out there. also, the wrinkles of skin on the tri are on the very inside and under arm, so please dont post a side tri. also the majority of bodybuilders have loose skin there, as a result of the pose.
No I posed the question and you keep avoiding it
and give me a break with this nonsense already Dorian doesn't hold water period , end of sentence if you want to believe that knock yourself out , you're the same genius who in the same breathe will say Coleman 2003 has better conditioning than Dorian its garbage you don't know what you're talking about , wrinkles don't mean he has loose skin , or he's holding water or fat it simply doesn't they're wrinkles in muscle , just like they're are in the triceps when he does the rear latspread
im not arguing that its a disadvantage or advantage or anything. im just correcting you that hulkster and co are right, it is loose skin on the lower back. jay has it also. are you suggesting that jay somehow has loose skin while dorian has wrinkles? lol give me a break its the same thing. dorian is not special(youd like to believe that he has super powers) he has the same thing cutler has, but to a lesser degree. cutler also doest have the loose skin to the same extent when showing the christmas tree, further proof that it is the same thing.
Bad analogy Cutler isn't Yates and isn't known for his conditioning , I can find quotes saying Jay as soft , etc you can't find quotes saying Dorian was a little soft , and Jay doesn't have a christmas tree so how can it disappear when he doesn't even have one? and I don't care if you think its an advantage or disadvantage its nonsense
so basically ive shown, pic evidence, logical arguments and analogies to prove my point. but you just wont accept it because you beleive dorian had the best conditioning seen, and never had one conditioning flaw. while others like lee priest have ripped upper bodies, and soft legs. or ronnies has crazy conditioned arms and less detailed calves. somehow dorian has uniform conditioning on every inch and this fact disproves picture evidence that everyone can clearly see. i dont care who said what, if you can see something to the opposite, they are wrong. reality doesnt change because of status.
No you've shown a couple of pictures of Dorian at his finest with wrinkles in his lower back and being so desperate to prove your case that Ronnie 2003 is better conditioning than Dorian you made a leap into the absurd and claimed he's had loose skin , again if you claim the wrinkles in Dorian's lower back , then you have to say the same think about his triceps and its just stupid , and again you're presuming to speak for me I never once claimed Dorian was the ' best conditioning seen ' he's the best conditioning seen on a 260 pound bodybuilder , Dorian is known for his size and crazy conditioning , not crazy conditioning in his lower back or his midsection , everywhere Dorian never had a problem with getting conditioned for a show , it's very easy to be ripped when you're 200 pounds , extremely difficult to replicate that at 260 pounds , ask Ronnie whenever he went over 250 pounds his conditioning suffered for it , while Dorian has been as high as 270 pounds and rokc hard , and you keep posting pictures of Dorian at his finest to boot 1993 and 1995 these are among his biggest and best conditioned years and then have the balls to type he has loose , skin , fat or water or worse all lol its laughable
please admit your wrong, or your cred is shot. and your doing the same thing you accuse everyone else of doing, being completely biased and unwilling to listen to reason.
i can see ronnies flaws.
shitty abs.
side tri is lacking
bad calves.
gut at some points(dorian also had one, the mandatories are all that matter)
his lower back wasnt as dry as dorians.
Oh these guys have been screaming my " Get-Big cred ' has been shot for years now lol who cares? and you have the balls to type that after you typed Ronnie 2003 is better conditioned than Dorian lol and you're worrying about my ' cred ' lol worry about yourself
and you forget to add somethings to Ronnie's flaws , like bad balance and proportion , lack of Yates-type density , questionable conditioning over most of his career , poor poser , and his lower back wasn't as dry as Dorian's? his lower lats weren't as shredded as Dorian's either but its all a matter of semantics
but im willing to listen to reason, and if you put a photo in front of me showing ronnies distention, i wouldnt put up a quote saying he didnt because the quote is wrong. i can see it for myself. maybe the person never saw this photo, is a friend of ronnies, didnt comment on it, is biased, didnt want negativity. the fact is that the picture shows loose skin, you cant convince me that it doesnt because reality, THE PIC does. the pic is not adding something, its just showing whats there at that particular time.
No this isn't a case of a gut and not having a gut its not that clear cut , you guys post a picture that has been posted for months and months now , NONE of you ever uttered a word about loose skin ever , someone who looking for an angle decided hey this might work and gave it a shot and all the other sheep followed , and its the most laughable thing you guys have come up with , Dorian's lower back has always been one the the driest ever seen on-stage period and if he was ever holding water or fat or loose skin there would have been a mention of it in a contest report , ever wonder why? because there is none he's as bone dry as a human can be
And you've still yet to explain the wrinkles in Dorian's triceps if you say they're just wrinkles and NOT loose skin you own yourself , why? because how can the wrinkles in his lower back be loose skin and the wrinkles on his triceps NOT ? they can't and if you say they are loose skin on his triceps you played yourself again , because now not only is Dorian holding water and fat in the form of loose skin in his lower back he's also holding it in both arms now lol insanely stupid to suggest but you've proven yourself fond of such stupidity
If the wrinkles on his triceps can be just that so can the wrinkles on his back , if you say he can have wrinkles in his lower back thats loose skin and the wrinkles in his triceps aren't your fucked , so nice try and come back when you find a new crack or crevice to knitpick and claim its some dent in Dorian's armor lol
