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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25525 on: February 28, 2007, 11:10:03 PM »
more credibility?

lol

this is a visual sport.  you don't need to be able to derive gauss's law.

 What makes kevin more credible? Does kevin have 7 eyes? 30/30 vision?

LOL

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How can you be this stupid?

Kevin is a professional photographer, he has seen both Ronnie and Yates at their peaks up close and personal. He said Dorian's condition at 285 has not been matched, let alone 257. As well you claimed the B&W's of Yates were carefully thought out and perfectly lighted shots ::) when in fact they were no more than personal photos for Yates to judge his progress, in fact Kevin said they were technically horrible shots........but according to the all-knowing "Hulkster" ...he is wrong ::)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25526 on: February 28, 2007, 11:16:08 PM »
How can you be this stupid?

Kevin is a professional photographer, he has seen both Ronnie and Yates at their peaks up close and personal. He said Dorian's condition at 285 has not been matched, let alone 257. As well you claimed the B&W's of Yates were carefully thought out and perfectly lighted shots ::) when in fact they were no more than personal photos for Yates to judge his progress, in fact Kevin said they were technically horrible shots........but according to the all-knowing "Hulkster" ...he is wrong ::)

no according to anyone with two fucking eyes he is wrong... ::)

kevin would know that 5 billion pics and video footage do not lie.

and you are very very very ignorant if you think this shot was not carefully choreophraphed with great lighting, careful consideration of shadows etc.

you obviously have no clue about taking pictures like this do you? :-\


if you think a shot like this with this sort of contrast is a simple, half assed shot, you are even more naive then I thought you were.

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by saying that they were half assed shots, it makes Kevin look much better as a photographer.

after all, if his crappy shots look like this, can you imagine how good his 'real' shots would be?

its called marketing yourself.

maybe if you get out of high school you too will learn stuff like this one day... :-\

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25527 on: February 28, 2007, 11:39:16 PM »
if Dorian was so dry and hard in this pic, then why does he have a roll of fat on his ass?


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25528 on: March 01, 2007, 01:54:29 AM »
what does that have to do with anything?

a downs syndrome kid has probably went to the olympia i guess his opinion is more valid because he has sat in the bleachers.

dude, this argument is retarded, ronnie clearly owns dorian. what bodypart does dorian have on ronnie. calves and abs for sure. back is very debatable. arms-no. quads not even close. hams-ronnie.glutes-ronnie.delts-ronnie.chest-ronnie. combine that with better shape, round muscle bellies and close to equal mass and superior symmetry and you've got a better bodybuilder.

dorian was flat but dry as a bone, flatness is a fault in so far as fullness is a positive attribute.

the only opinion that matters is the right opinion wether at a show or not. based on the criteria ronnie wins, this can be seen with things called eyes.



Typical ignorant post you assume a bunch of better parts make the better whole and they don't , try learning the criteria before you comment on who is better , the irony is even entertaining your stupid theory Ronnie has the advantage in so many parts , yet his mandatory poses are no better for it , despite having a wider waist and hips than Ronnie , Dorian's front & rear latspreads are better than Ronnie's , despite not having bigger pecs than Ronnie , Dorian's side chest destroys Ronnies , despite not having bigger arms than Ronnie , Dorian side triceps outclasses Ronnies , Dorian's back double biceps is more complete and Dorian still shows advantages in the front double biceps shot despite not having bigger biceps , and why? better balance & proportion , density , conditioning , and depending on the year size

Dorian was flat and thats a fault what a retard statement another straw for you idiots to grasp at , you don't even know how contests are judged your opinion is worthless and ignorant , go learn about the judging criteria and then you'll understand how it favor's Dorian over Ronnie

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25529 on: March 01, 2007, 02:01:09 AM »
no according to anyone with two fucking eyes he is wrong... ::)

kevin would know that 5 billion pics and video footage do not lie.

and you are very very very ignorant if you think this shot was not carefully choreophraphed with great lighting, careful consideration of shadows etc.

you obviously have no clue about taking pictures like this do you? :-\


if you think a shot like this with this sort of contrast is a simple, half assed shot, you are even more naive then I thought you were.

 ::)

by saying that they were half assed shots, it makes Kevin look much better as a photographer.

after all, if his crappy shots look like this, can you imagine how good his 'real' shots would be?

its called marketing yourself.

maybe if you get out of high school you too will learn stuff like this one day... :-\



Common theme with you when you're owned is everyone is wrong except you lol the most ignorant person on this thread lol Peter McGough lied about Ronnie being off , Kevin Horton lied about the picture not being great from a technical standpoint , the judges lied when they said Dorian 1994 was better , everyone is lying and Hulkster the internet-bodybuilding-fanis right the whole industry is wrong but the Hulkster has it all figured out lol

meltdown ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25530 on: March 01, 2007, 05:58:52 AM »
Typical ignorant post you assume a bunch of better parts make the better whole and they don't , try learning the criteria before you comment on who is better , the irony is even entertaining your stupid theory Ronnie has the advantage in so many parts , yet his mandatory poses are no better for it , despite having a wider waist and hips than Ronnie , Dorian's front & rear latspreads are better than Ronnie's , despite not having bigger pecs than Ronnie , Dorian's side chest destroys Ronnies , despite not having bigger arms than Ronnie , Dorian side triceps outclasses Ronnies , Dorian's back double biceps is more complete and Dorian still shows advantages in the front double biceps shot despite not having bigger biceps , and why? better balance & proportion , density , conditioning , and depending on the year size

Dorian was flat and thats a fault what a retard statement another straw for you idiots to grasp at , you don't even know how contests are judged your opinion is worthless and ignorant , go learn about the judging criteria and then you'll understand how it favor's Dorian over Ronnie

HAHAH your using the criteria to support your half ass blanket statements, please post contest pics along with each of your assertions, espeically the more complete back double bi ahahahahah. or proportion. please post pics along with your blanket statements. you claim im ignorant, you think a more complete back double bi is held by someone with no biceps, and smaller arms. less ripped glutes and hams, less taper, and thickness. but wait everyone dorian has bigger calves, yup your right he destroys ronnie because of calves in the back double bi. your ignoring all of dorians faults.

please post contest pics supporting your assertion, then we will post comparisons to prove you wrong.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25531 on: March 01, 2007, 08:14:58 AM »
Common theme with you when you're owned is everyone is wrong except you lol the most ignorant person on this thread lol Peter McGough lied about Ronnie being off , Kevin Horton lied about the picture not being great from a technical standpoint , the judges lied when they said Dorian 1994 was better , everyone is lying and Hulkster the internet-bodybuilding-fanis right the whole industry is wrong but the Hulkster has it all figured out lol

meltdown ;)


your also forgetting to mention:

-shawn agreed with the decision in 96
-nasser agrees he got 2nd in 97
-ronnie himself said he would not have won in 98 and yates has the best back
-flex calling dorian untouchable 93 despite never saying 1 word about ronnie in 99 - other than he should have won
-the judges chose a blocky white guy from england with no personality and a body that no one aspires to look like, yet for some reason is giving his win due to politics
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25532 on: March 01, 2007, 09:10:52 AM »
HAHAH your using the criteria to support your half ass blanket statements, please post contest pics along with each of your assertions, espeically the more complete back double bi ahahahahah. or proportion. please post pics along with your blanket statements. you claim im ignorant, you think a more complete back double bi is held by someone with no biceps, and smaller arms. less ripped glutes and hams, less taper, and thickness. but wait everyone dorian has bigger calves, yup your right he destroys ronnie because of calves in the back double bi. your ignoring all of dorians faults.

please post contest pics supporting your assertion, then we will post comparisons to prove you wrong.

Again the criteria favor's MY point of view not yours , so lets see you claim Dorian's back double biceps sucks because

NO biceps - and you have the balls to type blanket statement? Dorian at his best has good biceps certainly not the best but not poor , to claim otherwise isn't honest

Smaller arms - Smaller than Ronnie's yes , in proportion & balance with the rest of his physique yes , and the audacity of you to say anything about Dorian smaller arms yet ignore Ronnie's smaller calves which are NOT in proportion or balance with his physique , you have much to learn

Less Ripped Glutes & hams - give me a fucking break seriously you're reduced to arguing over who has more lines in their ass? lol pathetic comes to mind and Dorian has comparable separation in his hams

Less taper - another dumb tactic another straw to cling onto

Less thickness - retard statement of the week , Dorian Yates is the yardstick in which muscle thickness is measured by , his muscles have a thickness and a density rarely seen in his day or even today and its the result of his training style which not many people follow

Dorian does have faults but many more strengths to compensate , and he meets the criteria better than Ronnie , better balance & proportion , better density , depending on the year size and conditioning , this shot is textbook and outstanding and this isn't even his best year !!

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25533 on: March 01, 2007, 10:40:46 AM »
if Dorian was so dry and hard in this pic, then why does he have a roll of fat on his ass?



No to mention the lack of detail. Black & white shots were his friend.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25534 on: March 01, 2007, 10:56:49 AM »
No to mention the lack of detail. Black & white shots were his friend.

behind dorian, that is actually a hammer strength row machine.

you probably thought it was a bowflex. 
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25535 on: March 01, 2007, 11:11:42 AM »
behind dorian, that is actually a hammer strength row machine.

you probably thought it was a bowflex. 

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25536 on: March 01, 2007, 01:06:42 PM »
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25537 on: March 01, 2007, 01:59:05 PM »
Again the criteria favor's MY point of view not yours , so lets see you claim Dorian's back double biceps sucks because

NO biceps - and you have the balls to type blanket statement? Dorian at his best has good biceps certainly not the best but not poor , to claim otherwise isn't honest

Smaller arms - Smaller than Ronnie's yes , in proportion & balance with the rest of his physique yes , and the audacity of you to say anything about Dorian smaller arms yet ignore Ronnie's smaller calves which are NOT in proportion or balance with his physique , you have much to learn

Less Ripped Glutes & hams - give me a fucking break seriously you're reduced to arguing over who has more lines in their ass? lol pathetic comes to mind and Dorian has comparable separation in his hams

Less taper - another dumb tactic another straw to cling onto

Less thickness - retard statement of the week , Dorian Yates is the yardstick in which muscle thickness is measured by , his muscles have a thickness and a density rarely seen in his day or even today and its the result of his training style which not many people follow

Dorian does have faults but many more strengths to compensate , and he meets the criteria better than Ronnie , better balance & proportion , better density , depending on the year size and conditioning , this shot is textbook and outstanding and this isn't even his best year !!

everything you said was wrong. ahaha. your so biased you ignore reality.

retard statement of the week , Dorian Yates is the yardstick in which muscle thickness is measured by , his muscles have a thickness and a density rarely seen in his day or even today and its the result of his training style which not many people follow" how so when ronnies appear thicker? your a moron, your over zealous flex article mindset has got you brainwashed. they fucking talk about everyone like they are the next big thing, they use hyperbolic statements, and you my friend are a moron for repeating that utter bullshit.

taper is a huge part of back moron, the new mandate is based on taper, and X-FRAME haha. what did they just make it up last year. it was a statement to go back to HOW bodybuilding should be judeged and wasnt.
i'll adress your points when i have some time, but dude this is the ultimate blanket statement "

your right about the hams and glutes, ya who cares who is more conditioned. those parts dont matter, neither does biceps, or triceps. why even argue who has better conditioning in those parts it doesnt matter, all you need is a good calf and a dry back and the pose is yours. ahhaha. you truly dont have a clue about the criteria, you warp and bend the criteria to fit your ideal.

from your pic it is obvious that dorian is not thicker then ronnie, everything save calves is poorer. and ronnie has better taper with a smaller waist and close to equal detail. could you point out his non-exsistent biceps for me?

also why do you keep referring to ronnie like he is out of proportion. his arms, delts, back, hams, glutes are in perfect balance. his calves do not look out of balance in the arnold shots. ahah if anything dorians calves are too big, they are literally the size of this quads.


dorian loses that pose soundly. his only advantage is a little(youd be ignorant to say he is way more detailed) more detail and calves. you ignore ronnies taper, thickness, small waist, way better arms, shredded hams and glutes. if calves are an advantage then so are glutes, whith ronnie sporting the best ham-glute tie in in the buisness, read about it.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25538 on: March 01, 2007, 02:25:21 PM »
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his muscles have a thickness and a density rarely seen in his day or even today and its the result of his training style which not many people follow"

of course they don't follow his training style.

this is what happens when you do: :-\

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25539 on: March 01, 2007, 02:29:37 PM »
everything you said was wrong. ahaha. your so biased you ignore reality.

retard statement of the week , Dorian Yates is the yardstick in which muscle thickness is measured by , his muscles have a thickness and a density rarely seen in his day or even today and its the result of his training style which not many people follow" how so when ronnies appear thicker? your a moron, your over zealous flex article mindset has got you brainwashed. they fucking talk about everyone like they are the next big thing, they use hyperbolic statements, and you my friend are a moron for repeating that utter bullshit.

taper is a huge part of back moron, the new mandate is based on taper, and X-FRAME haha. what did they just make it up last year. it was a statement to go back to HOW bodybuilding should be judeged and wasnt.
i'll adress your points when i have some time, but dude this is the ultimate blanket statement "

your right about the hams and glutes, ya who cares who is more conditioned. those parts dont matter, neither does biceps, or triceps. why even argue who has better conditioning in those parts it doesnt matter, all you need is a good calf and a dry back and the pose is yours. ahhaha. you truly dont have a clue about the criteria, you warp and bend the criteria to fit your ideal.

from your pic it is obvious that dorian is not thicker then ronnie, everything save calves is poorer. and ronnie has better taper with a smaller waist and close to equal detail. could you point out his non-exsistent biceps for me?

also why do you keep referring to ronnie like he is out of proportion. his arms, delts, back, hams, glutes are in perfect balance. his calves do not look out of balance in the arnold shots. ahah if anything dorians calves are too big, they are literally the size of this quads.


dorian loses that pose soundly. his only advantage is a little(youd be ignorant to say he is way more detailed) more detail and calves. you ignore ronnies taper, thickness, small waist, way better arms, shredded hams and glutes. if calves are an advantage then so are glutes, whith ronnie sporting the best ham-glute tie in in the buisness, read about it.

excellent post.

It highlights the main problem with ND's argument:

sure, he can READ the criteria as written.

but he lacks the reading comprehension skills to actually UNDERSTAND how they are applied in practice... :-\


like I have said before:

the dorian side claim that arms, taper, striations, vascularity, ripped glutes all don't matter.

this highlights that they really have no fucking clue about how bodybuilding is judged.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25540 on: March 01, 2007, 02:31:58 PM »
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also why do you keep referring to ronnie like he is out of proportion. his arms, delts, back, hams, glutes are in perfect balance

like I said, ND has no fucking clue what balance or proportion mean or even what good examples lookl like on a bodybuilding stage.

what we are dealing with here is someone who loves to quote other people's opinion, but lacks the mental capacity to actually articulate thoughts and develop his own opinon based on what he sees.

that is too complicated for ND.. :-\
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25541 on: March 01, 2007, 02:33:03 PM »
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if calves are an advantage then so are glutes, whith ronnie sporting the best ham-glute tie in in the buisness, read about it.

LMAO!

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25542 on: March 01, 2007, 02:44:10 PM »
excellent post.


the dorian side claim that arms, taper, striations, vascularity, ripped glutes all don't matter.

this highlights that they really have no fucking clue about how bodybuilding is judged.

 :-\


acutally, i think its you that dont have the clue.

its not that these things dont matter, but when will you realize that other things do also matter - you've only pointed to those things because ronnie has all of them. 

you have your opinion from your "expert eyes".

i have contest results - and dorian is only 1 person to prove you wrong.

brief list:

-jay winning the 2006 mr. olympia this year BEATING YOU KNOW WHO
-gunter beating winning the GNC show in 2004 BEATING YOU KNOW WHO
-nasser winning the 99 AC
-branch winning 2 shows in 05

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25543 on: March 01, 2007, 02:52:40 PM »
No to mention the lack of detail. Black & white shots were his friend.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25544 on: March 01, 2007, 02:54:42 PM »
More pumpster ownage hahahahahahahahaha

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25545 on: March 01, 2007, 02:57:20 PM »

acutally, i think its you that dont have the clue.

its not that these things dont matter, but when will you realize that other things do also matter - you've only pointed to those things because ronnie has all of them. 

you have your opinion from your "expert eyes".

i have contest results - and dorian is only 1 person to prove you wrong.

brief list:

-jay winning the 2006 mr. olympia this year BEATING YOU KNOW WHO
-gunter beating winning the GNC show in 2004 BEATING YOU KNOW WHO
-nasser winning the 99 AC
-branch winning 2 shows in 05



Didn't Gunter get that gift in 2002? I mean really, look at the pics. How the hell did Gunter win?

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25546 on: March 01, 2007, 03:01:44 PM »
Ronnie is beating Gunther there on lat width, that's for sure. But Gunther had pretty much everything else on Ronnie.

Oh, and for all the shit you talk about Dorian's wide waist Hulkster....what are your thoughts on Gunther's 50" waist there.....and he still beat Coleman :o

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25547 on: March 01, 2007, 03:02:06 PM »
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25548 on: March 01, 2007, 03:20:54 PM »
Didn't Gunter get that gift in 2002? I mean really, look at the pics. How the hell did Gunter win?

ronnie is out of shape.

you cant even see his abs.

plus gunter has about 30 lbs. on ronnie. 

so lets, see.  yates received gifts as did gunter.

the only one who didnt is ronnie.

yeah (cue 2000, 01, and 02). 

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25549 on: March 01, 2007, 03:25:17 PM »
ronnie is out of shape.

you cant even see his abs.

plus gunter has about 30 lbs. on ronnie. 

so lets, see.  yates received gifts as did gunter.

the only one who didnt is ronnie.

yeah (cue 2000, 01, and 02). 

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