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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25550 on: March 01, 2007, 04:24:13 PM »
everything you said was wrong. ahaha. your so biased you ignore reality.

retard statement of the week , Dorian Yates is the yardstick in which muscle thickness is measured by , his muscles have a thickness and a density rarely seen in his day or even today and its the result of his training style which not many people follow" how so when ronnies appear thicker? your a moron, your over zealous flex article mindset has got you brainwashed. they fucking talk about everyone like they are the next big thing, they use hyperbolic statements, and you my friend are a moron for repeating that utter bullshit.

taper is a huge part of back moron, the new mandate is based on taper, and X-FRAME haha. what did they just make it up last year. it was a statement to go back to HOW bodybuilding should be judeged and wasnt.
i'll adress your points when i have some time, but dude this is the ultimate blanket statement "

your right about the hams and glutes, ya who cares who is more conditioned. those parts dont matter, neither does biceps, or triceps. why even argue who has better conditioning in those parts it doesnt matter, all you need is a good calf and a dry back and the pose is yours. ahhaha. you truly dont have a clue about the criteria, you warp and bend the criteria to fit your ideal.

from your pic it is obvious that dorian is not thicker then ronnie, everything save calves is poorer. and ronnie has better taper with a smaller waist and close to equal detail. could you point out his non-exsistent biceps for me?

also why do you keep referring to ronnie like he is out of proportion. his arms, delts, back, hams, glutes are in perfect balance. his calves do not look out of balance in the arnold shots. ahah if anything dorians calves are too big, they are literally the size of this quads.


dorian loses that pose soundly. his only advantage is a little(youd be ignorant to say he is way more detailed) more detail and calves. you ignore ronnies taper, thickness, small waist, way better arms, shredded hams and glutes. if calves are an advantage then so are glutes, whith ronnie sporting the best ham-glute tie in in the buisness, read about it.

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everything you said was wrong. ahaha. your so biased you ignore reality.

retard statement of the week , Dorian Yates is the yardstick in which muscle thickness is measured by , his muscles have a thickness and a density rarely seen in his day or even today and its the result of his training style which not many people follow" how so when ronnies appear thicker? your a moron, your over zealous flex article mindset has got you brainwashed. they fucking talk about everyone like they are the next big thing, they use hyperbolic statements, and you my friend are a moron for repeating that utter bullshit.

You're ignorant and have proven yourself so on many occasions , definition round ring a bell? and absolutely Yates in the Gold Standard for conditioned thickness & density and this statement above has zero content and all filler

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taper is a huge part of back moron, the new mandate is based on taper, and X-FRAME haha. what did they just make it up last year. it was a statement to go back to HOW bodybuilding should be judeged and wasnt.
i'll adress your points when i have some time, but dude this is the ultimate blanket statement "

Oh Dorian has a nice V-taper and you people are grasping at straws thinking because Ronnie has a ' better taper ' that he's invincible  ::) having a better taper means dick in reality , Dorian never had the best taper yet constantly defeated everyone who did , its an imaginary advantage that carries no weight like who has more ass-striations its straws , and again learn the criteria NO WHERE does it say X-frame thats another imaginary criteria , and the new mandate calls for a ' dramatic taper ' ( Yates has a dramatic taper at his best  ) it also calls for balance between the upper & lower body , it also calls for balance & proportion throughout the physique another clear advantage for Dorian , it also calls for a flat , muscular abdomen , since you're fond of Ronnie 2003 while neither man has a totally flat abdomen , Dorian's is a hell of a lot more flat than Ronnie 2003 and Dorian's is more muscular again the criteria YOU think favor's Ronnie actually favor's Dorian and the new mandate mentions aesthetics , something Dorian never had and Ronnie 2003 is the is as unaesthetic as he ever was so thats a moot advantage for either

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your right about the hams and glutes, ya who cares who is more conditioned. those parts dont matter, neither does biceps, or triceps. why even argue who has better conditioning in those parts it doesnt matter, all you need is a good calf and a dry back and the pose is yours. ahhaha. you truly dont have a clue about the criteria, you warp and bend the criteria to fit your ideal.

Nonsense Dorian has striated glutes and so does Ronnie having more visible lines do NOT mean you're better conditioned thats a retard statement and Ronnie 2003 was huge & full also soft and holding water , especially compared to 2001 , and you're delusional and ignorant as to what conditioning is , more striations don't mean better conditioning , its the hardness and dryness of the muscles , how thin the skin in , how little fat and water one carries and Dorian is noted by his freaky conditioning and size , Ronnie 2003 broke no ground in the conditioning department , in fact his two best conditioned showings are among his lightest 1998/2001 NOT 2003 , again learn before you type

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from your pic it is obvious that dorian is not thicker then ronnie, everything save calves is poorer. and ronnie has better taper with a smaller waist and close to equal detail. could you point out his non-exsistent biceps for me?

He's not thicker? lol you're equating soft fullness for thickness and its NOT Dorian thickness is outstanding from head to toe and the best part is , it's conditioned thickness he's NOT holding any water like Coleman , and again typical Coleman-groupie move , judging Dorian by using Ronnie as the template , Dorian doesn't need Ronnie's bigger biceps , or his smaller waist and better taper , thats what YOU think wins contests and it's not , Dorian's advantages in this pose , balance & proportion , thickness & detail , density and bulk ( depending on the year )  , and he's complete from head to toe , it's a text-book back double biceps shot thats not lacking in any aspect like Ronnie calves anyone? balance & proportion anyone? the thing with you people is you will never escape the criteria and it favor's Dorian

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also why do you keep referring to ronnie like he is out of proportion. his arms, delts, back, hams, glutes are in perfect balance. his calves do not look out of balance in the arnold shots. ahah if anything dorians calves are too big, they are literally the size of this quads.

Perfect proportion MORONIC statement of the week ( again ) followed up by another Dorian's calves being ' too big " this isn't worthy of a response lol this statement among your other shows your ignorance

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dorian loses that pose soundly. his only advantage is a little(youd be ignorant to say he is way more detailed) more detail and calves. you ignore ronnies taper, thickness, small waist, way better arms, shredded hams and glutes. if calves are an advantage then so are glutes, whith ronnie sporting the best ham-glute tie in in the buisness, read about it.

Dorian loses NO pose " soundly " to anyone in fact lol straight firsts in every single pre-judging from all of his Mr Olympia wins , you keep picking what YOU THINK the judges are looking for and I will correct you with what they are really looking for , balance & proportion ( Yates ) density ( Yates ) conditioning ( Yates ) size  ( Yates depending on the year ) posing ( Yates ) this is what wins contests NOT x-frame and overdeveloped striated asses , Ronnie may have dominated ho-hum competition but NO ONE dominated Dorian at his best

pick a year

1998 - Dorian has the edge in balance & proportion , density , size and conditioning may be a push ( may be )

1999 - Dorian has the edge in balance & proportion , density , size and conditioning

2001 - Dorian has the edge in balance & proportion , density , size and conditioning may be a push

2003 - Dorian has the edge in balance & proportion , density , and conditioning

Dorian has to many advantages at his best compared to Ronnie every year , the criteria favor's Yates NOT Ronnie you guys cannot counter this , learn this , accept this and bow down to the superior bodybuilder Dorian Yates  ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25551 on: March 01, 2007, 04:25:28 PM »
of course they don't follow his training style.

this is what happens when you do: :-\

 ::)



Do I need to post Ronnie's torn lat and tricep? lol  ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25552 on: March 01, 2007, 04:27:38 PM »
here is photographic proof that ND has absolutely no idea what he is talking about when in comes to balance.

for example, he loves to rant about how ronnie's delts and biceps overpower his triceps and forearms...

well, here is direct proof that ronnie has great arm balance, because he his next to someone who REALLY DOES have delts and biceps that overpower his triceps and forearms.

TAKE NOTE OF THE DIFFERENCE! ::)

ps and ronnie is in crappy 300 pound 2004 shape...
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25553 on: March 01, 2007, 04:29:30 PM »
ronnie is out of shape.

you cant even see his abs.

plus gunter has about 30 lbs. on ronnie. 

so lets, see.  yates received gifts as did gunter.

the only one who didnt is ronnie.

yeah (cue 2000, 01, and 02). 

 ::)

i dont think he lost in 01 to be honest. he outmassed jay. and was better from the back.

however ronnie has received some gifts as has dorian. i dont think that should matter. we are comparing both at there bests.

a bodybuilder with an obvious tear should not win a show, it is about ideal and that is not ideal. it throws off symmetry and proportion to a degree along with asthetics.

ronnie should not have won in 06, he came in off with obvious injury.

im as unbiased as possible in this dicussion. dorian wins the ab and thigh and the side tri. you can call back a tie its really preference. but i think 03 ronnie would be far to big for dorian. but dorian had great detail in really only one shot that ive seen. i mean, its the same shot over and over. his flatness is a fault. to get so dry he sacrificed fullness, which doesnt negate ronnies fullness like you would have us beleive. ronnie was close to as detailed but much fuller with a more dramatic taper and a thicker back. no one has had the thickness ronnie has had.



ronnie wins the double bi, most muscular, side chest. i also think the lat spread is close. ill say why if you guys go apeshit.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25554 on: March 01, 2007, 04:29:55 PM »
Ronnie is beating Gunther there on lat width, that's for sure. But Gunther had pretty much everything else on Ronnie.

Oh, and for all the shit you talk about Dorian's wide waist Hulkster....what are your thoughts on Gunther's 50" waist there.....and he still beat Coleman :o

Great post ! Ronnie was beat by NOT 1...........NOT 2..........but 3 blocky white guys , so much for the advantage of  x-frame , taper , small waist & hips , more striated glutes lol the only reason why Ronnie lost that contest was his lack of conditioning , like I said before the advantage in conditioning is what separates first from second , see 1998 is Flex was spot-on Ronnie would have been second

I love these pics they contradict every single advantage they claim that wins contest and every ' flaw ' that would lose a contest compared to Ronnie lol


countdown to the excuses..........3...... ....2...........1....... ........ ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25555 on: March 01, 2007, 04:30:08 PM »
Do I need to post Ronnie's torn lat and tricep? lol  ;)

did Ronnie tear his lat and tri at the very beginning of his fucking career?

 ::)

no, he was 42 at the time...

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25556 on: March 01, 2007, 04:33:46 PM »
ND i beg of you to stop using blanket statements. for the greater good of the argument.

dorian is taper at its best- HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. in what pose, sure is hell is not the back double bi. melvin anthony beats him easily and you think he is taper at its best ahahahahahha.

you dont have a clue about the criteria or how to implement them. dorian was absolutely perfect according to you. we admit ronnies faults.

shit abs
calves are smallish
gut at some points to name a few.

you argue that tears arent faults, and bullshit like dorian had dramatic taper. your so far up his ass you cant see whats right in front of you. dorian had poor taper in the back double bi. absolutely poor.

please show me this dramatic taper.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25557 on: March 01, 2007, 04:35:30 PM »
Didn't Gunter get that gift in 2002? I mean really, look at the pics. How the hell did Gunter win?

The worst case of fanboyism ever.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25558 on: March 01, 2007, 04:38:13 PM »
Great post ! Ronnie was beat by NOT 1...........NOT 2..........but 3 blocky white guys , so much for the advantage of  x-frame , taper , small waist & hips , more striated glutes lol the only reason why Ronnie lost that contest was his lack of conditioning , like I said before the advantage in conditioning is what separates first from second , see 1998 is Flex was spot-on Ronnie would have been second

I love these pics they contradict every single advantage they claim that wins contest and every ' flaw ' that would lose a contest compared to Ronnie lol


countdown to the excuses..........3...... ....2...........1....... ........ ;)

Ronnie easily beating Gunter at the GNC:








countdown to excuses..... ::)

I guess the nuthuggers will ignore these and continue to naively believe that gunter really deserved to win and that it had nothing to do with selling olympia tickets... ::)
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25559 on: March 01, 2007, 04:41:03 PM »
here is photographic proof that ND has absolutely no idea what he is talking about when in comes to balance.

for example, he loves to rant about how ronnie's delts and biceps overpower his triceps and forearms...

well, here is direct proof that ronnie has great arm balance, because he his next to someone who REALLY DOES have delts and biceps that overpower his triceps and forearms.

TAKE NOTE OF THE DIFFERENCE! ::)

ps and ronnie is in crappy 300 pound 2004 shape...

I've said it time and time again Hulkster. The MM doesn't count because even a bodybuilder who's in poor shape can look good in the pose. Stop posting pictures of it. No one cares.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25560 on: March 01, 2007, 04:41:41 PM »
Go figure....another most-muscular from Hulkster ::)

Oh, and Hulkster, check Ronnie's TINY traps ;)


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25561 on: March 01, 2007, 04:44:15 PM »
Look at Coleman's stomach sticking out in the ab pose. Something that never happened to Yates even in 1997 when he was badly injured.


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25562 on: March 01, 2007, 04:45:09 PM »
I love how the nuthuggers are so frustrated that dorian has such a shitty upper body compared to Ronnie that they freak out every time Ronnie shows us arguably the greatest upper body of all time!

hahahahha
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25563 on: March 01, 2007, 04:45:10 PM »
Look at Coleman's stomach sticking out in the ab pose. Something that never happened to Yates even in 1997.



Most definitely.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25564 on: March 01, 2007, 04:46:07 PM »
LOL that ab shot is certainly NOT from 97...
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25565 on: March 01, 2007, 04:47:42 PM »
I love how the nuthuggers are so frustrated that dorian has such a shitty upper body compared to Ronnie that they freak out every time Ronnie shows us arguably the greatest upper body of all time!

hahahahha

If it's so shitty, how does he smoke Ronnie in the ab/thigh, side tri, and front lat?

hahahahahah

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25566 on: March 01, 2007, 04:47:46 PM »
Look at Coleman's doughy quads.


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25567 on: March 01, 2007, 04:48:18 PM »
Notice....any time Hulkster posts anything about upper body he has to post a most-muscular LOL.

Please, post an ab/thigh and tell me how good Ronnie's upper body is hahahahahahah

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25568 on: March 01, 2007, 04:48:30 PM »
they freak out every time Ronnie shows us arguably the greatest upper body of all time!

hahahahha

Too bad the sport isn't called "upper bodybuilding".

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25569 on: March 01, 2007, 04:55:15 PM »
Too bad the sport isn't called "upper bodybuilding".

too bad ronnie kills dorian in the quads glutes and hams...so your comment makes absolutely no sense at all....
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25570 on: March 01, 2007, 04:57:03 PM »
too bad ronnie kills dorian in the quads glutes and hams...so your comment makes absolutely no sense at all....

Quads are cheap relative to calves.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25571 on: March 01, 2007, 05:03:01 PM »
sure they are.. ::)
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25572 on: March 01, 2007, 05:08:27 PM »
sure they are.. ::)

You're suggesting I can't speak from experience?  ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25573 on: March 01, 2007, 05:10:42 PM »
here is photographic proof that ND has absolutely no idea what he is talking about when in comes to balance.

for example, he loves to rant about how ronnie's delts and biceps overpower his triceps and forearms...

well, here is direct proof that ronnie has great arm balance, because he his next to someone who REALLY DOES have delts and biceps that overpower his triceps and forearms.

TAKE NOTE OF THE DIFFERENCE! ::)

ps and ronnie is in crappy 300 pound 2004 shape...

You're as dumb as the day is long , of all examples to Coleman to try an prove a point you choose 2004 an example of Ronnie at his personal worse for balance & proportion lol and all you need to do to see his balance issues is look at other mandatory poses NOT one and thats a poor example to a shot too lol


let me point them out for you because YOU obviously don't know what you're looking for

back double biceps shot

Calves NOT in proportion with his quads , gigantic overdeveloped glutes that stick out past his hips , biceps/tricpes that dwarf his delts and forearms NOT in proportion with his biceps.triceps , now couple that with the fact that he has a long legs and a short torso from a purely technical standpoint his balance & proportion suck

Front double biceps shot

Calves not in proportion with his quads and gigantic overdeveloped ass that can be seen from the front  , forearms getting dwarfed by his biceps/triceps , same short torso and long legs , no matter what pose he's in his balance & proportion issues can be seen

You're helplessly ignorant to balance & proportion and what the judges look for in poses.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #25574 on: March 01, 2007, 05:13:07 PM »
You're as dumb as the day is long... You're helplessly ignorant

Good thing you figured that out. Otherwise you might have wasted a lot of time arguing with him.  :)