Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[RocketSwitch625]

The skin folds in Coleman's lower back are also visible in this shot. The only people that fail to see them are of course the Coleman nuthuggers.

[Hulkster]

a while ago Camp Nuthugger was even trying to say that because dorian's 'cheekbones' were protruding that he was more dry...

well, guess what?

ronnie owns dorian in that department too!

[Iceman1981]

The skin folds in Coleman's lower back are also visible in this shot. The only people that fail to see them are of course the Coleman nuthuggers.

You're a joke. Get out of here.

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND is a broken record.


that plays gibberage

I mean, you keep typing all that total bullshit as if it is true or even validated by the comparison pics and videos.

but its not.

and you just keep on typing....

Thank you for admitting you cannot counter the IFBB criteria and admit that Dorian has move advantages based on that criteria  keep posting pics from 94/96/97 and I'll keep on correcting you with what wins contests NOT what you think wins contest

[NarcissisticDeity]

a while ago Camp Nuthugger was even trying to say that because dorian's 'cheekbones' were protruding that he was more dry...

well, guess what?

ronnie owns dorian in that department too!

The only area where Ronnie has the advantage in ' protruding ' lol

[NeoSeminole]

Ronnie's legs are spread apart that would explain why he's shorter a layer of fat and water Dorian has a more complete rear latspread , lets says all other things are equal Dorian still wins because he has calves bottom line , now all other things are not equal in reality Dorian has advantage in bulk , conditioning ( contest ready ) balance & proportion and density this is the reality of the situation , Ronnie can't win this pose or most other due to these facts.

I know Ronnie's legs are spread farther apart but still, it's not enough to warrant shrinking 3 inches in height. He should at least be the same height as Dorian in that comparison. Also, that pic of Ronnie looks contest-day while Dorian looks to be a few days out from contest-condition. Obviously Dorian will have a slight advantage in bulk since he's carrying more weight.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I know Ronnie's legs are spread farther apart but still, it's not enough to warrant shrinking 3 inches in height. He should at least be the same height as Dorian in that comparison. Also, that pic of Ronnie looks contest-day while Dorian looks to be a few days out from contest-condition. Obviously Dorian will have a slight advantage in bulk since he's carrying more weight.

Now it's 3 inches ? before it was 2 inches make up your mind

[NeoSeminole]

Now it's 3 inches ? before it was 2 inches make up your mind

I never said he lost 2 inches to begin with. If you read carefully (which I know is hard for you), I said that Ronnie looks 2 inches shorter than Dorian in that comparison. Ronnie is an inch taller than Dorian in person, hence he shrunk a total of 3 inches in the pic.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I never said he lost 2 inches to begin with. If you read carefully (which I know is hard for you), I said that Ronnie looks 2 inches shorter than Dorian in that comparison. Ronnie is an inch taller than Dorian in person, hence he shrunk a total of 3 inches in the pic.

Ronnie has his legs spread 3 more inches apart from Dorian  and its all redundant even if everything else was equal he's till lose based on having NO calves what so ever

[NeoSeminole]

Ronnie has his legs spread 3 more inches apart from Dorian and its all redundant even if everything else was equal he's till lose based on having NO calves what so ever

it doesn't matter if Ronnie's legs are 3 inches farther apart. He's not going to shrink 3 inches. Here's a simple example you can try on yourself. Spread your feet a foot apart. Do you suddenly become a foot shorter? No. I strongly disagree about Dorian winning that comparison. Ronnie has superior conditioning, better taper, and more balance between his upper and lower body. Dorian has a massive, wide back with twig arms and narrow legs.

[NarcissisticDeity]

it doesn't matter if Ronnie's legs are 3 inches farther apart. He's not going to shrink 3 inches. Here's a simple example you can try on yourself. Spread your feet a foot apart. Do you suddenly become a foot shorter? No. I strongly disagree about Dorian winning that comparison. Ronnie has superior conditioning, better taper, and more balance between his upper and lower body. Dorian has a massive, wide back with twig arms and narrow legs.

It was a joke no kidding he's not going to shrink 3 inches if he spreads his feet apart 3 inches and for get that comparison I'm talking about Yates in the pic I posted

Ronnie especially 1999 doesn't have better conditioning not by a long shot , he's behind in density , and I can't believe you typed he had better balance thats just insane and this is part of the criteria for the rear latspread

The judge will look for a good spread of the latissimus
dorsi, but also for good muscle density

No where does it say they look for the best taper , or the widest back it says specifically they look for a ' good spread of the latissimus ' GOOD not the widest , not the best taper and notice they specifically mention density , and Ronnie isn't even doing the pose correctly he's spreads his legs apart A'la Kevin Levrone

There is simply NO way Ronnie could beat Dorian in this pose , Dorian is exactly what the judges are looking for

balanced development , density , muscular bulk and conditioning , and posing and presentation , Dorian all the way

[NeoSeminole]

Ronnie especially 1999 doesn't have better conditioning not by a long shot , he's behind in density , and I can't believe you typed he had better balance thats just insane and this is part of the criteria for the rear latspread

you can be in disbelief all you want. It still doesn't change the fact that Dorian's arms and legs are overpowered by his massive back. When I look at him hit a lat spread, all I see is a Y.

No where does it say they look for the best taper , or the widest back it says specifically they look for a ' good spread of the latissimus ' GOOD not the widest , not the best taper and notice they specifically mention density , and Ronnie isn't even doing the pose correctly he's spreads his legs apart A'la Kevin Levrone

oh give me a f*cking break! You sound like a douche clinging to the IFBB criteria so literally. What good is a wide back if that person's waist is 36 inches? I guess we should give the lat spread to Greg Kovacs then since taper doesn't matter.

[NarcissisticDeity]

you can be in disbelief all you want. It still doesn't change the fact that Dorian's arms and legs are overpowered by his massive back. When I look at him hit a lat spread, all I see is a Y.

oh give me a f*cking break! You sound like a douche clinging to the IFBB criteria so literally. What good is a wide back if that person's waist is 36 inches? I guess we should give the lat spread to Greg Kovacs then since taper doesn't matter.

you can be in disbelief all you want. It still doesn't change MY OPINION that Dorian's arms and legs are overpowered by his massive back. When I look at him ( key word )  hit a lat spread, all I see is a Y.

I fixed that for you  and Dorian's balance & proportion at his best was outstanding the same cannot be said about Ronnie , Dorian and Lee Priest both specifically state Dorian has better balance and an I.F.B.B. judge Bev Francis states Dorian's symmetry and proportion are almost perfect I mean it doesn't get any better than that

oh give me a f*cking break! You sound like a douche clinging to the IFBB criteria so literally. What good is a wide back if that person's waist is 36 inches? I guess we should give the lat spread to Greg Kovacs then since taper doesn't matter.

Oh no why would we cling to the IFBB criteria?    its not like they judge contests using it  and bad analogy because Dorian's taper while not the best was certainly not as bad as Kovacs and Kovac's density , dryness , balance , thickness and detail where no where near Dorians , so while Dorian's taper wasn't as great as Ronnie it was much better than Kovacs and he still has the edge in size ( vs Ronnie 99 ) density , balance & proportion and conditioning over everyone

[NeoSeminole]

I fixed that for you  and Dorian's balance & proportion at his best was outstanding the same cannot be said about Ronnie , Dorian and Lee Priest both specifically state Dorian has better balance and an I.F.B.B. judge Bev Francis states Dorian's symmetry and proportion are almost perfect I mean it doesn't get any better than that

I agree that Dorian had good balance and proportion at his best in 93. However, he progressively became more and more unbalanced afterwards. His midsection kept growing every year while his arms seemed to actually shrink.

Oh no why would we cling to the IFBB criteria? its not like they judge contests using it and bad analogy because Dorian's taper while not the best was certainly not as bad as Kovacs and Kovac's density , dryness , balance , thickness and detail where no where near Dorians , so while Dorian's taper wasn't as great as Ronnie it was much better than Kovacs and he still has the edge in size ( vs Ronnie 99 ) density , balance & proportion and conditioning over everyone

I don't have a problem with using the IFBB criteria, but you interpret it too literally. You assume that separations, striations, vascularity, aesthetics, and taper don't matter b/c they aren't specifically mentioned. Furthermore, my analogy is a good one b/c it proves my point. Let's say that Greg Kovacs matched Dorian's conditioning. Despite wider lats and greater muscular bulk, he still wouldn't beat Dorian in the lat spread due to poor aesthetics and taper. It logically follows that if good taper beats horrible taper, then great taper is even better than good taper.

[RocketSwitch625]

The skin folds in Tony Freeman's lower back are in almost the exact same spot as Coleman's skin folds.

[RocketSwitch625]

Branch Warren displaying the same skin folds in the upper part of his lower back:

[NarcissisticDeity]

I agree that Dorian had good balance and proportion at his best in 93. However, he progressively became more and more unbalanced afterwards. His midsection kept growing every year while his arms seemed to actually shrink.

I don't have a problem with using the IFBB criteria, but you interpret it too literally. You assume that separations, striations, vascularity, aesthetics, and taper don't matter b/c they aren't specifically mentioned. Furthermore, my analogy is a good one b/c it proves my point. Let's say that Greg Kovacs matched Dorian's conditioning. Despite wider lats and greater muscular bulk, he still wouldn't beat Dorian in the lat spread due to poor aesthetics and taper. It logically follows that if good taper beats horrible taper, then great taper is even better than good taper.

I agree that Dorian had good balance and proportion at his best in 93. However, he progressively became more and more unbalanced afterwards. His midsection kept growing every year while his arms seemed to actually shrink.

1995 despite the shorter bicep his balance & proportion were just as good in 1995 as 1993 , you're right about his arms very noticeable in 1996 which is like Ronnie in 2002

I don't have a problem with using the IFBB criteria, but you interpret it too literally. You assume that separations, striations, vascularity, aesthetics, and taper don't matter b/c they aren't specifically mentioned. Furthermore, my analogy is a good one b/c it proves my point. Let's say that Greg Kovacs matched Dorian's conditioning. Despite wider lats and greater muscular bulk, he still wouldn't beat Dorian in the lat spread due to poor aesthetics and taper. It logically follows that if good taper beats horrible taper, then great taper is even better than good taper.

And all the things you mentioned to matter to an extent just not as much as you think , separations most certainly matter , striations , Dorian has enough you're knitpicking with these , vascularity that doesn't matter in all seriousness and excess vascularity is frown upon , and aesthetics haven't mattered since Yates won , they don't apply to him

And your analogy isn't good good , and here is why , Shawn Ray , who never had the best taper or width yet consistantly beat men with much wider backs than him , same with Flex Wheeler again not know as the widest pro yet rountinly beat many who were

would Ronnie's better taper and perhaps equal or even slightly better width be able to overcome his disadvantage in density , balance & proportion , size and conditioning? I think not

[NeoSeminole]

1995 despite the shorter bicep his balance & proportion were just as good in 1995 as 1993 , you're right about his arms very noticeable in 1996 which is like Ronnie in 2002

no, his balance and proportion were not the same. I don't give a shit if a judge said that Dorian had perfect symmetry (assuming they were referring to 95 Dorian). If someone with a PhD in math said that 2 + 2 = 5, that still doesn't make it so. Dorian's arms and thighs were small in proportion to his massive torso.

And all the things you mentioned to matter to an extent just not as much as you think , separations most certainly matter , striations , Dorian has enough you're knitpicking with these , vascularity that doesn't matter in all seriousness and excess vascularity is frown upon , and aesthetics haven't mattered since Yates won , they don't apply to him

sure, Dorian has enough separations and striations.

would Ronnie's better taper and perhaps equal or even slightly better width be able to overcome his disadvantage in density , balance & proportion , size and conditioning? I think not

Ronnie's equal width, better taper, comparable balance and proportion, and superior definition make this argument pointless. It comes down to personal preference. That's why I call it a tie.

[Hulkster]

would Ronnie's better taper and perhaps equal or even slightly better width be able to overcome his disadvantage in density , balance & proportion , size and conditioning? I think not

what disadvantage in density balance and proportion, size and contioning?

 

you keep typing this crap without actually thinking about it.

He has NO disadvantage in ANY of those things if we are talking about his best.

and at his best, he has ADVANTAGES in most of them:

you just ignore all the pics and videos and keep typing this garbage as if it means something:

[Hulkster]

quick everyone!

Look at dorian's advantage in size, density, balance, proportion and conditioning!

 

what total bullshit:

[Hulkster]

quick everyone!

Look at dorian's advantage in size, density, balance, proportion and conditioning!

     

what total bullshit:

[Hulkster]

quick everyone!

Look at dorian's advantage in size, density, balance, proportion and conditioning!

     

what total bullshit:

[Hulkster]

quick everyone!

Look at dorian's advantage in size, density, balance, proportion and conditioning!

     

what total bullshit:

[Hulkster]

quick everyone!

Look at dorian's advantage in size, density, balance, proportion and conditioning!

     

what total bullshit:

[onlyme]

In all honesty, how in the hell you talk about someone so much.   This thread is hilarious.  Hulkster are you Ronnie or a relative?