Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NeoSeminole]

No, you leave out the parts that you know you can't reply to because I'm right. Like when I demanded you to reply to my undeniable proof that Ronnie carried less mass at the 2001 ASC than at the 1999 Olympia, and the most you could muster was to reply that "you're probably right". Or when I demonstrated to you that your retarded assertion that genetics plays no role in separations was wrong. Or when you said that what McGough said was irrelevant because it was before the 2001 ASC, and then I told you that he said it in 2006. Or worse, when you said that acne causes grain to a higher degree when one is lower in bodyfat and water, thus admitting that grain is at least partially the result of low fat and water levels - you really took the cake in stupidity on that one! You're not fooling anyone sport. But then I don't really need to tell you this, right? You know that you got owned, which is exactly the reason why you remain silent.

listen to yourself, you idiot. You claim that I purposely ignore certain parts of your posts yet you mention in the same sentence that I replied to them. Make up your mind.

Your assertion that acne causes a grainier appearance when one has lower fat and water was retarded. Period. A fat guy with acne does not look any grainier than a skinny one with acne. You said that the grain was the result of acne, and I proved you wrong by showing that other bodybuilders with acne  do not look grainy. Saying that it doesen't show grain because they are not low in and water is an admission of defeat on your part, because it means that you're admitting that Dorian's grainy appearance was partially due to the fact that he was formidably low in at and water. Loser.

not really. My argument is assuming there is such a thing as looking "grainy." I don't believe there is. Where exactly do you see this "grain" on Dorian? His arms, delts, pecs, quads and glutes all look smooth to me. This is the opposite of what you claim - he's covered everywhere in bumps. I'm just entertaining your nonsense. If you make such retarded statements, then don't be surprised if you get a retarded response.

Warren doesen't look grainy. Hope this helps. Dorian at the 1995 Olympia was at his grainiest, and he had very little body acne. Dorian is grainy because his skin is dry and his muscle show incredible hardness because of it. And by the way, Andreas Munzer was grainy.

bullshit, Branch Warren has the same "look" as Dorian. How do you determine grainyness then?

It was you who challenged me to post pics of myself, and then called me a bitch for not postig them. So I challenged you to to actually entger an online competition where the pics would be judged by impartial judges. And what do you do? You weasel out. For the record, I was just accepting your challenge, you internet loser.

completely irrelevant. If I challenged you to a 100 meter race and then you challenged me to a marathon, then I'm not the one trying to weasel my way out of the situation. I had no intentions of entering an online bodybuilding competition to begin with. I'm simply asking you to throw up a pic of yourself from your prime to compare with me at 21 yrs old. It only takes you a few seconds to look for a pic. Conversely, it would take me several months to get in shape for a bodybuilding contest.

[pobrecito]

exactly, the Dorian nuthuggers believe that balance outweighs superior muscular bulk, definition, and shape. Talk about bias.

1st off, Dorian has the advantgae in muscular bulk and density.

Secondly, watch this video at the 8:00 mark:

Consider yourself owned.

[NeoSeminole]

1st off, Dorian has the advantgae in muscular bulk and density.

ha ha ha ha ha, superior bulk where? Calves? Oh my, let's just give him the other 9/10 of the body too.

Secondly, watch this video at the 8:00 mark:

Consider yourself owned.

did you even watch the video? Bev Francis says the judges look for muscle size, fullness, shape, and symmetry - all of which Ronnie has over Dorian. The only person you owned is yourself.

[Hulkster]

1st off, Dorian has the advantgae in muscular bulk and density.

 advantage in muscular bulk?

they are the same size and dorian is built like a bricklayer, not a bodybuilder.

what bullshit.

you need shape in bodybuilding to go along with your muscles.

having big muscles means nothing if you are put together like this:

against a peak Ronnie, it would be no contest:

[pobrecito]

ha ha ha ha ha, superior bulk where? Calves? Oh my, let's just give him the other 9/10 of the body too.

did you even watch the video? Bev Francis says the judges look for muscle size, fullness, shape, and symmetry - all of which Ronnie has over Dorian. The only person you owned is yourself.

Apparently you have selective hearing.

Bev also mentioned flow of the physique which Dorian clearly has over Ronnie, especially from the uber-imporant backside.

Ronnie's messed up calves ruin everything. Even Arnold agrees with this.

[NeoSeminole]

By the way ND, here's how Bev Francis defines symmetry in bodybuilding.

"then you're looking at the symmetry of the whole body - how it's put together - top to bottom, right to left, and just how it flows in a sense."

another criteria that Ronnie has Dorian beat.

[pobrecito]

In sum,

Bev confirmed the fact that the judges look at the whole physique and that while one competitor may have some better parts, if the whole is not as good, the competitor will lose.

This is exactly why Dorian would defeat Ronnie and his outstanding arms and quads.

[NeoSeminole]

Apparently you have selective hearing.

Bev also mentioned flow of the physique which Dorian clearly has over Ronnie, especially from the uber-imporant backside.

the only years Dorian "flowed" better than Ronnie was 92 and maybe 93 (depending on which version of Ronnie we're talking about). However, he would be too small to compete with Ronnie.

Ronnie's messed up calves ruin everything. Even Arnold agrees with this.

Dorian's twig arms ruin everything. Even Sergio Oliva agrees with me. By the way, Arnold never stated that Ronnie's calves affect his back poses. This is a myth perpetuated by ND.

[Hulkster]

how is what Bev Francis said in 1993 in any way relevant?

If Bev francis saw what peak Ronnie looked like back then, she would have trashed dorian just like sergio did.

remember: back then, no one was 257 with the kind of taper, arm shape, quad shape, back shape etc. that ronnie had.

dorian was 257, but had arms shaped like this:

[NeoSeminole]

In sum,

Bev confirmed the fact that the judges look at the whole physique and that while one competitor may have some better parts, if the whole is not as good, the competitor will lose.

This is exactly why Dorian would defeat Ronnie and his outstanding arms and quads.

no, Bev Francis never said any such thing. She mentioned overall flow of the physique as one of the criteria the judges look at. You're obviously biased if you think balance outweighs all the other criteria that Ronnie beats Dorian in such as superior muscular bulk, shape, definition, and symmetry.

[Hulkster]

the only years Dorian "flowed" better than Ronnie was 92 and maybe 93 (depending on which version of Ronnie we're talking about). However, he would be too small to compete with Ronnie.

he flowed better only because technically he had less 'flaws'. So did Porter Cotrell. Would Porter stand a chance against peak Ronnie? hell no.


but in terms of flow in bodybuilding, his taper and extremity shape did not flow very well at all.

at least compared to Ronnie.

[Hulkster]

according to the nuthugger logic, Porter Cotrell should beat 1999 Ronnie Coleman...

[pobrecito]

how is what Bev Francis said in 1993 in any way relevant?

If Bev francis saw what peak Ronnie looked like back then, she would have trashed dorian just like sergio did.

remember: back then, no one was 257 with the kind of taper, arm shape, quad shape, back shape etc. that ronnie had.

dorian was 257, but had arms shaped like this:

Sergio is a racist and wife-beater.

I take anything he says with a grain of salt.

[Hulkster]

Sergio is a racist and wife-beater.

I take anything he says with a grain of salt.

funny, after your past arguments, we do the same thing with you.

[NarcissisticDeity]

and he is apparently really delusional and stupid too.

it is not an oxymoron ND.

it is REALITY:

open your fucking eyes for once:

one shot shows wrinkles.

the other does not.

its does not mean that the wrinkles do not exist in the first one!

No no don't back peddle now , no one is denying he has wrinkles thats obvious but its NOT loose skin , water or fat , thats nonsense 

[NarcissisticDeity]

By the way ND, here's how Bev Francis defines symmetry in bodybuilding.

"then you're looking at the symmetry of the whole body - how it's put together - top to bottom, right to left, and just how it flows in a sense."

another criteria that Ronnie has Dorian beat.

right & left is ONE aspect of the whole , Dorian still has better balance & proportion , Dorian's symmetry is better and why? because like she said unlike Ronnie he's not just a bunch of parts thrown together 

[NarcissisticDeity]

he flowed better only because technically he had less 'flaws'. So did Porter Cotrell. Would Porter stand a chance against peak Ronnie? hell no.


but in terms of flow in bodybuilding, his taper and extremity shape did not flow very well at all.

at least compared to Ronnie.

Ronnie a collection of parts , get it 

[NarcissisticDeity]

the only years Dorian "flowed" better than Ronnie was 92 and maybe 93 (depending on which version of Ronnie we're talking about). However, he would be too small to compete with Ronnie.

Dorian's twig arms ruin everything. Even Sergio Oliva agrees with me. By the way, Arnold never stated that Ronnie's calves affect his back poses. This is a myth perpetuated by ND.

Dorian 1992/1993/1995 all crush Ronnie in terms of overall symmetry and flow bar far , bar none !

And Arnold said if a guy flexes his calves and nothing happen regardless of how impressive his other parts are ( pay attention ) the whole effect is ruined , what happens when Ronnie flexes his calves? NOTHING that directly applies to Ronnie , just like the collection of parts directly applies to Ronnie ! 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Learn what what symmetry , balance & proportion are learn what total body flow is !

Bev Francis : Bodybuilder's phsyique you most admire ?

The man Dorian Yates , his combonation of size and shape makes for an awesome physique , unlike a lot of big guys he's not a load of massive parts just thrown together , His symmetry is almost perfect , Everything is in proportion , no weak bodyparts .



Interview with David Robson

[ Q ] What were some of your better physical qualities as a bodybuilder, do you think?

      Obviously I carried a lot of muscle mass and my trademark was to come into a show in super hard condition. I think my muscles had a certain quality and density from all the years of heavy training that a lot of guys didn't have.


      One thing that I think people underrated me on - it was never really mentioned because of my sheer physical size and condition - was my balance and proportion. Not only from muscle group to muscle group, but from upper body to lower body. My skeletal structure and everything else was there and in good balance.


owned 

[NeoSeminole]

Ronnie has better symmetry. Get over it.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ronnie has better symmetry. Get over it.

LMFAO at your blanket statement , symmetry includes BALANCE & PROPORTION and how on earth can you comment on who has the better symmetry when you don't even know what symmetry is? you didn't even know that balance & proportion are two separate entities , you're ignorant to what symmetry is and is NOT please don't comment on who has the better symmetry 

[NeoSeminole]

LMFAO at your blanket statement , symmetry includes BALANCE & PROPORTION and how on earth can you comment on who has the better symmetry when you don't even know what symmetry is? you didn't even know that balance & proportion are two separate entities , you're ignorant to what symmetry is and is NOT please don't comment on who has the better symmetry

LMFAO @ your stupidity. I'm following Bev Francis' definition of symmetry in a bodybuilding context. Unlike you, she's a professional judge. So I take her word over yours.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ronnie has better symmetry. Get over it.

The irony of you in a pathetic attempt to use Dorian's shorter bicep as a template for better symmetry , NEITHER of Ronnie's biceps in the picture you posted are ' symmetrical ' neither are his lats , couple that with the other aspects of symmetry namely BALANCE & PROPORTION , Dorian kills Ronnie despite the shorter bicep , Ronnie's ' umsymmetrical ' biceps are not in balance or proportion with his forearms , his glutes can be seen from the front , he still has a relatively short torso and lets talk about the FLOW aspect of the of symmetry another area Ronnie lags behind , how so? the transition of his lats to his midsection is abrupt and doesn't flow into each other as well as Dorian , his midsection looks like an oval , his whole arms don't flow together , you know a collection of parts , Dorian crushes him period.

[Iceman1981]

No you most certainly have NOT proven me wrong , you've yet to prove how his skin in a specific area can be both loose and tight , its an oxymoron , he absolutely cannot have loose skin water and fat in his lowerlats and lower back in one pose and not have it in another , it's just an impossibility , you've proven one thing alright ............how ignorant you are. 

So all of the pics are ignorant? lol, you're a joke. Skin is tight and loose in different poses. Why can't you understand that? Is that too hard? You don't even know what an oxymoron is, so why bother even trying to use the word. Face it, he has loose skin. Proof:

[NarcissisticDeity]

LMFAO @ your stupidity. I'm following Bev Francis' definition of symmetry in a bodybuilding context. Unlike you, she's a professional judge. So I take her word over yours.

Bev Francis : Bodybuilder's phsyique you most admire ?

The man Dorian Yates , his combonation of size and shape makes for an awesome physique , unlike a lot of big guys he's not a load of massive parts just thrown together , His symmetry is almost perfect , Everything is in proportion , no weak bodyparts .

Oh now you'll take her word huh? lol well it looks like you'll have to retract your statement of Dorian having twig arms that ruin his symmetry  and her word that Ronnie ( Obviously ) that Ronnie is a load of parts lol keep learning kid , I'll keep teaching