Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NarcissisticDeity]

So all of the pics are ignorant? lol, you're a joke. Skin is tight and loose in different poses. Why can't you understand that? Is that too hard? You don't even know what an oxymoron is, so why bother even trying to use the word. Face it, he has loose skin. Proof:

Kid no its an oxymoron , the area you're claiming he has loose skin is NOT loose in another pose its tight , it can't be both loose and tight , you've can't counter this , go back to the drawing board

[Iceman1981]

No no don't back peddle now , no one is denying he has wrinkles thats obvious but its NOT loose skin , water or fat , thats nonsense 

Hey dick. Stop being a coward and try being a man for once. Circle the part of the lower back you are lookin at, if you're not afraid:

[NarcissisticDeity]

Hey dick. Stop being a coward and try being a man for once. Circle the part of the lower back you are lookin at, if you're not afraid:

Erector spinae and lower latisimus thats the area I'm looking at and the area you claim he has loose skin , fat and water 

[Iceman1981]

Kid no its an oxymoron , the area you're claiming he has loose skin is NOT loose in another pose its tight , it can't be both loose and tight , you've can't counter this , go back to the drawing board

If it's not loose skin, Well what is it? You can't answer this with a straight answer. You can't run from this pic.

[NarcissisticDeity]

If it's not loose skin, Well what is it? You can't answer this with a straight answer. You can't run from this pic.

I told you exactly what it is his erector spinae and lower lats , pay attention to the argument , it you who is trapped in your own dumb logic , he can't be both tight and loose in the exact same areas in different poses , its impossible

[Iceman1981]

Erector spinae and lower latisimus thats the area I'm looking at and the area you claim he has loose skin , fat and water 

Under those muscles are the loose skin idiot. how come all of us see it but you can't? You're a joke if you say that you don't see it. I guess all of us are blind. By the way, you still haven't circled it. Circle it for all of us to see. It doesn't matter where you circle, the pic proves you wrong and proves my points.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Under those muscles are the loose skin idiot. how come all of us see it but you can't? You're a joke if you say that you don't see it. I guess all of us are blind. By the way, you still haven't circled it. Circle it for all of us to see. It doesn't matter where you circle, the pic proves you wrong and proves my points.

LMMFAO did you just type is he loose skin UNDER HIS MUSCLES ?? under? lmfao you're helpless kid

[NeoSeminole]

The irony of you in a pathetic attempt to use Dorian's shorter bicep as a template for better symmetry , NEITHER of Ronnie's biceps in the picture you posted are ' symmetrical ' neither are his lats , couple that with the other aspects of symmetry namely BALANCE & PROPORTION , Dorian kills Ronnie despite the shorter bicep , Ronnie's ' umsymmetrical ' biceps are not in balance or proportion with his forearms , his glutes can be seen from the front , he still has a relatively short torso and lets talk about the FLOW aspect of the of symmetry another area Ronnie lags behind , how so? the transition of his lats to his midsection is abrupt and doesn't flow into each other as well as Dorian , his midsection looks like an oval , his whole arms don't flow together , you know a collection of parts , Dorian crushes him period.

pathetic, absolutely pathetic, attempt to shrug off Dorian's glaring symmetry issues. "Ronnie's biceps aren't perfectly symmetrical either."

I think you would agree that 100 lbs weighs a lot more than 5 lbs, or that 1,000 feet is much farther than 50 feet. So what makes you think Ronnie's miniscule asymmetry between his biceps is anywhere in the realm of Dorian's torn bicep?

[NeoSeminole]

Bev Francis : Bodybuilder's phsyique you most admire ?

"The man Dorian Yates , his combonation of size and shape makes for an awesome physique , unlike a lot of big guys he's not a load of massive parts just thrown together , His symmetry is almost perfect , Everything is in proportion , no weak bodyparts."

Oh now you'll take her word huh? lol well it looks like you'll have to retract your statement of Dorian having twig arms that ruin his symmetry and her word that Ronnie ( Obviously ) that Ronnie is a load of parts lol keep learning kid , I'll keep teaching

sorry to burst your bubble, sport, but there's a huge difference between fact and opinion. The definition Bev Francis gave for symmetry is a fact. Her statement that Dorian has no weak bodyparts is an opinion.

[Iceman1981]

I told you exactly what it is his erector spinae and lower lats , pay attention to the argument , it you who is trapped in your own dumb logic , he can't be both tight and loose in the exact same areas in different poses , its impossible

I'm paying attention to my argument. Everyone agrees with me. I have more supporters seeing the loose skin from the pics. What do you have? All you do is deny, deny, deny. Is that all you can do? It's possible for the skin to change from different poses. I don't think that's hard to understand. Face it, I'll be here on this thread until it's deleted showing you his loose skin at all times. I know it gets on your nerves everytime you see the pic. Why do you think you stopped posting rear latspreads.

[Iceman1981]

LMMFAO did you just type is he loose skin UNDER HIS MUSCLES ?? under? lmfao you're helpless kid

You know what I mean idiot. It's right on his lower back. Now you're showing what an illiterate moron you are

[NarcissisticDeity]

pathetic, absolutely pathetic, attempt to shrug off Dorian's glaring symmetry issues. "Ronnie's biceps aren't perfectly symmetrical either."

I think you would agree that 100 lbs weighs a lot more than 5 lbs, or that 1,000 feet is much farther than 50 feet. So what makes you think Ronnie's miniscule asymmetry between his biceps is anywhere in the realm of Dorian's torn bicep?

Pathetic is right because SYMMETRY which I've maintained is NOT left/right exactness NOTHING in nature is truly symmetrical it wouldn't effect EITHER of them because symmetry is not left/right exactness my point is Dorian isn't exactly perfect in left/right and neither is Ronnie , symmetry means Balance & Proportion not left/right exactness and when the do gauge left/right in in terms of GLARING difference between size of each muscle you know like having a 19" left arm and a 22" right huge differences and Dorian's bicep was shorter but roughly the same size

Neo learn what balance & proportion and symmetry are and how they apply in competitive bodybuilding 

[NarcissisticDeity]

sorry to burst your bubble, sport, but there's a huge difference between fact and opinion. The definition Bev Francis gave for symmetry is a fact. Her statement that Dorian has no weak bodyparts is an opinion.

LMFAO using your warped logic you have to agree with EVERYTHING she says or nothing  you played yourself Neo lol sucker 

[Iceman1981]

yates looses this pose because of the major loose skin hanging on his lower back. See how much tighter Coleman's lower back is and his xmas tree looks better. Plus Coleman's hams and glutes crushes yates.

[NarcissisticDeity]

You know what I mean idiot. It's right on his lower back. Now you're showing what an illiterate moron you are

LMMFAO you posted he has LOOSE SKIN underneath his muscles LMMFAO I fully understood what you meant and it shows how little what you know , one CANNOT have skin UNDER MUSCLE you fucking idiot , I know right now you really , really wished you didn't type that but you're fucked lol you know very little how can you say he has loose skin and then type the loose skin is UNDER muscle lol

[NeoSeminole]

Iceman1981, don't forget these pics.

[Iceman1981]

LMMFAO you posted he has LOOSE SKIN underneath his muscles LMMFAO I fully understood what you meant and it shows how little what you know , one CANNOT have skin UNDER MUSCLE you fucking idiot , I know right now you really , really wished you didn't type that but you're fucked lol you know very little how can you say he has loose skin and then type the loose skin is UNDER muscle lol

Only an idiot like you would think that. It's on his lower back. I didn't say beneath his skin, theres a difference you know and that's what you don't understand.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Only an idiot like you would think that. It's on his lower back. I didn't say beneath his skin, theres a difference you know and that's what you don't understand.

Moron you said he has loose skin UNDERNEATH muscle skin is NOT under muscle ! biologically IMPOSSIBLE to have skin underneath muscle and it be loose ontop of it lmmfao

[NeoSeminole]

Pathetic is right because SYMMETRY which I've maintained is NOT left/right exactness NOTHING in nature is truly symmetrical it wouldn't effect EITHER of them because symmetry is not left/right exactness

lame, now you're saying a professional IFBB judge is wrong.

Bev Francis

"then you're looking at the symmetry of the whole body - how it's put together - top to bottom, right to left, and just how it flows in a sense."

[NarcissisticDeity]

Iceman1981, don't forget these pics.

Yes thats skin is clearly visible UNDERNEATH the erector spinae muscle and UNDERNEATH the lower latimus lol you people are such an ignorant bunch

[NeoSeminole]

LMFAO using your warped logic you have to agree with EVERYTHING she says or nothing you played yourself Neo lol sucker

not really, learn the difference between fact and opinion. I may not necessarily agree with another person's opinion, but a fact is a fact regardless.

[NarcissisticDeity]

lame, now you're saying a professional IFBB judge is wrong.

Bev Francis

"then you're looking at the symmetry of the whole body - how it's put together - top to bottom, right to left, and just how it flows in a sense."

You can't have it both ways sport  either she is 100% right ( using your logic ) all the time or she's wrong , and again I can play both games with you , if you want to use right/left exactness than NEITHER of them are perfect in this regard , and I can still use Dorian 1993 uninjured if you still want to knitpick the torn bicep , Dorian still has the massive advantage in BALANCE & PROPORTION and he still has a better OVERALL body flow and he doesn't have a relatively short torso and long legs like Ronnie , so either way you have nothing to work with 

[Iceman1981]

Moron you said he has loose skin UNDERNEATH muscle skin is NOT under muscle ! biologically IMPOSSIBLE to have skin underneath muscle and it be loose ontop of it lmmfao

I didn't say under his "Skin". Show me where I said that. That's how dumb you are, you can't even read properly.

[NarcissisticDeity]

not really, learn the difference between fact and opinion. I may not necessarily agree with another person's opinion, but a fact is a fact regardless.

LMFAO its Peter McGough's OPINION that Ronnie would be unbeatable NOT a fact its Peter McGough's OPINION that Ronnie had the best back ever and again you , yourself said specifically that you have to agree with EVERYTHING or nothing you're proven to be a hypocrite and your points and logic are still ignorant and flawed , walk away from your keyboard and come back when you're on my level kid , because it ain't NOW 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Under those muscles are the loose skin idiot. how come all of us see it but you can't? You're a joke if you say that you don't see it. I guess all of us are blind. By the way, you still haven't circled it. Circle it for all of us to see. It doesn't matter where you circle, the pic proves you wrong and proves my points.

I didn't say under his "Skin". Show me where I said that. That's how dumb you are, you can't even read properly.

UNDER THOSE MUSCLES ARE THE LOOSE SKIN IDIOT ! you said he has loose skin under his muscles , I know you really , really wished you didn't type this but you did , no one is talking about ' under his skin ' stay with your own argument even though you wished you never typed it .