Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[Hulkster]

None of it is ' loose skin , water or fat ' its pure muscle , he cannot be holding loose skin , fat and water in a specific area and have it be gone in another pose , IMPOSSIBLE he can't be both tight and loose thats an oxymoron .

you are saying that these folds of loose skin are muscle?

 

Are you new to this sport?



does that mean Ronnie has tons of muscle on the back of his head?

[NeoSeminole]

LMFAO he wasted this

irrelevant. Momo beat Dorian. The only thing Dorian really improved was his size. Does that mean that Momo is better?

[NarcissisticDeity]

you are saying that these folds of loose skin are muscle?

 

Are you new to this sport?



does that mean Ronnie has tons of muscle on the back of his head?

LMFAO NO its loose skin fat and water lol

[Hulkster]

oh, so its loose skin (fat and water) on Ronnie but when dorian shows the same thing its ripped muscle?

 

biased as they come...

[NarcissisticDeity]

irrelevant. Momo beat Dorian. The only thing Dorian really improved was his size. Does that mean that Momo is better?

Actually when Momo beat Dorian he was 228 pounds lol and it was mainly due to his better back , so yates went back to the drawing board and gained 32 pounds of quality size and created the best back ever ! the only thing Ronnie improved on was conditioning , Dorian's conditioning is equal or BETTER depending on the year , Dorian 228 pounds in 1990 , Ronnie 255 pounds in 1997 ! big difference

[NarcissisticDeity]

oh, so its loose skin (fat and water) on Ronnie but when dorian shows the same thing its ripped muscle?

 

biased as they come...

Listen is he did have loose skin , water and fat in the specific region of the back you claim it would NOT magically disappear and getting tight as a drum in another lose , these pictures crush your ignorant notion that he was holding loose skin , water and fat in his lower lats and lower back , you can't counter these.

[NeoSeminole]

Actually when Momo beat Dorian he was 228 pounds lol and it was mainly due to his better back , so yates went back to the drawing board and gained 32 pounds of quality size and created the best back ever ! the only thing Ronnie improved on was conditioning , Dorian's conditioning is equal or BETTER depending on the year , Dorian 228 pounds in 1990 , Ronnie 255 pounds in 1997 ! big difference

there is where you are wrong. Ronnie improved his size, conditioning, and symmetry. So it's unfair to compare early Ronnie and say his placement is indicative of how he would fare against a prime Dorian.

[NarcissisticDeity]

there is where you are wrong. Ronnie improved his size, conditioning, and symmetry.

Size what year? 97 to 98 he dropped weight , improved conditioning and symmetry sorry NOT quite , 1999 he was 2 pounds heavier than 97 still with improved conditioning but symmetry the same as always

[NeoSeminole]

Size what year? 97 to 98 he dropped weight , improved conditioning and symmetry sorry NOT quite , 1999 he was 2 pounds heavier than 97 still with improved conditioning but symmetry the same as always

Ronnie was bigger in 99 and at the 01 ASC, and much bigger in 03.

[Hulkster]

Listen is he did have loose skin , water and fat in the specific region of the back you claim it would NOT magically disappear and getting tight as a drum in another lose , these pictures crush your ignorant notion that he was holding loose skin , water and fat in his lower lats and lower back , you can't counter these.
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but it magically disappeared on Ronnie's head!


 

I can't believe how stupid you really are.

this is a real eye opener...

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ronnie was bigger in 99 and at the 01 ASC, and much bigger in 03.

Ronnie was 247 pounds in 2001 MAX he was 255 pounds in 1997 what school of math did you attend? and he was much bigger in 03 and his symmetry and conditioning left a lot to be desired and he was fuller in 1999 but  his conditioning was sharper in 01/1998

Dorian still has balance & proportion , density , conditioning ( depending on the year ) and bulk ( depending on the rear ) and superior posing & presentation , you're not left with much no matter how good Ronnie was.

[pobrecito]

I'm still trying to figure out exactly what you are all arguing about the "loose skin"..

If you bend your back, the skin will fold to an extent.

Ronnie does not exhibit this becuase he leans FORWARD during his front lat spread, whereas Yates and Cutler lean BACK.

Nobody is denying what the picture shows, but are you claiming that this is indicative of water and fat in Dorian's lower back

If so, how did it magically disappear on all other poses?

[NeoSeminole]

my god, look at the brutal difference in size between 93 Dorian and 03 Ronnie.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Listen is he did have loose skin , water and fat in the specific region of the back you claim it would NOT magically disappear and getting tight as a drum in another lose , these pictures crush your ignorant notion that he was holding loose skin , water and fat in his lower lats and lower back , you can't counter these.
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but it magically disappeared on Ronnie's head!


 

I can't believe how stupid you really are.

this is a real eye opener...

No one is claiming its anything than what it is wrinkles in the skin , I'm NOT claiming it's loose skin , fat and water lol see the difference that picture shows my point that the skin can be wrinkled and NOT be loose/fat/water thanks 

[NarcissisticDeity]

my god, look at the brutal difference in size between 93 Dorian and 03 Ronnie.

LMFAO look at the brutal difference in DENSITY , BALANCE & PROPORTION , and CONDITIONING lol 30 pounds of what? soft-size and watery condition , look at the blatant difference in detail , especially in the back lol Neo Dorian faced many men bigger than him and they never made a dent on his overall package and in MY OPINION Ronnie despite the size advantage would go the way all the others did and thats happy with second lol

[NarcissisticDeity]

I'm still trying to figure out exactly what you are all arguing about the "loose skin"..

If you bend your back, the skin will fold to an extent.

Ronnie does not exhibit this becuase he leans FORWARD during his front lat spread, whereas Yates and Cutler lean BACK.

Nobody is denying what the picture shows, but are you claiming that this is indicative of water and fat in Dorian's lower back

If so, how did it magically disappear on all other poses?

Exactly someone who gets it ! no one is saying the wrinkles aren't there its just NOT loose skin / water / fat thats bull shit , if can't have loose skin in a specific area and then have it magically disappear in the same area with a simple movement of the body NONSENSE oxymoron , impossible.

you're among the smarter posters on this thread you get it ! Bravo

[NeoSeminole]

LMFAO look at the brutal difference in DENSITY , BALANCE & PROPORTION , and CONDITIONING lol 30 pounds of what? soft-size and watery condition , look at the blatant difference in detail , especially in the back lol Neo Dorian faced many men bigger than him and they never made a dent on his overall package and in MY OPINION Ronnie despite the size advantage would go the way all the others did and thats happy with second lol

to be honest, Dorian's symmetry is not much better than Ronnie's in that shot. I think you are confusing smaller muscles with improved balance. Ronnie may have gigantic glutes, but he also has a gigantic back, arms, delts, quads and hamstrings to go with it. The only real symmetrical issue he has are his calves. I agree that Dorian has better definition in his back. However, the difference in conditioning is less than the difference in size. Ronnie simply overwhelms Dorian in sheer muscularity. It's like comparing a ripped, skinny Ethiopian to a lean swimmer.

[Hulkster]

if can't have loose skin in a specific area and then have it magically disappear in the same area with a simple movement of the body NONSENSE oxymoron , impossible

yeah, impossible:



 

god you guys are dumb.

[pobrecito]

to be honest, Dorian's symmetry is not much better than Ronnie's in that shot. I think you are confusing smaller muscles with improved balance. Ronnie may have gigantic glutes, but he also has a gigantic back, arms, delts, quads and hamstrings to go with it. The only real symmetrical issue he has are his calves. I agree that Dorian has better definition in his back. However, the difference in conditioning is less than the difference in size. Ronnie simply overwhelms Dorian in sheer muscularity. It's like comparing a ripped, skinny Ethiopian to a lean swimmer.

I have always contended that a 03 Ronnie would defeat Yates becuase the judges love muscularity. Have you not seen me post this multiple times?

But I could care less if an 03 Ronnie would win, becuase he is winning for the wrong reason, and he is not at his best, the combo of condition AND size.

[NarcissisticDeity]

to be honest, Dorian's symmetry is not much better than Ronnie's in that shot. I think you are confusing smaller muscles with improved balance. Ronnie may have gigantic glutes, but he also has a gigantic back, arms, delts, quads and hamstrings to go with it. The only real symmetrical issue he has are his calves. I agree that Dorian has better definition in his back. However, the difference in conditioning is less than the difference in size. Ronnie simply overwhelms Dorian in sheer muscularity.

Neo his symmetry is MUCH MUCH better than Ronnie 2003 , Ronnie 2003 is at his worse in that regard , huge everywhere , a collection of parts , not much flow , you're basing this on your personal preference and its wrong , Dorian's entire physique is better balanced and condition wise he makes Ronnie look like he's guest posing , Ronnie overwhelms Dorian in sheer size NOT sheer muscularity

[NarcissisticDeity]

yeah, impossible:

 

god you guys are dumb.

Hulkster no one is claiming the wrinkles in Ronnie's neck are loose skin , fat and water lol and you're proving my point that its not loose skin its wrinkles and thats it , and we're dumb? you said Shawn Ray's calves are a LOT better than Dorians lol

[NeoSeminole]

I have always contended that a 03 Ronnie would defeat Yates becuase the judges love muscularity. Have you not seen me post this multiple times?

my post wasn't addressed to you.

But I could care less if an 03 Ronnie would win, becuase he is winning for the wrong reason, and he is not at his best, the combo of condition AND size.

the best physique in terms of condition, muscularity, and shape is 01 ASC Ronnie.

[Hulkster]

Ronnie did not have 'gigantic' glutes at his peak form of around 250-260.

look at the difference between that and his 300 pound look:

[NeoSeminole]

Neo his symmetry is MUCH MUCH better than Ronnie 2003 , Ronnie 2003 is at his worse in that regard , huge everywhere , a collection of parts , not much flow , you're basing this on your personal preference and its wrong , Dorian's entire physique is better balanced and condition wise he makes Ronnie look like he's guest posing , Ronnie overwhelms Dorian in sheer size NOT sheer muscularity

how exactly is 03 Ronnie's symmetry much worse than Dorian's? Ronnie has better left-right symmetry and his upper body is balanced with his lower body except for his calves.

[Hulkster]

how exactly is 03 Ronnie's symmetry much worse than Dorian's? Ronnie has better left-right symmetry and his upper body is balanced with his lower body except for his calves.

not only that, he has a much more pleasing shape and taper to his muscles.

this counts too in the symmetry round.