Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[IceCold]

pumpster,

stop deleting my posts in the training forum - people have a right to know who is giving them training advice.



bluto is also a mod and you will no longer be deleting my posts.

we own your fucking bowflex ass.

[NarcissisticDeity]

according to you and no one else.

you are not applying the criteria correctly ND. Everyone else IS.

do you ever wonder why your words look so great on the page yet dorian still gets KILLED in the comparisons?

Its because you are not applying the criteria properly, you are just typing bullshit on a computer screen that has no basis in reality what so ever.

hope this helps:

 

Now you're assuming to know everyone else's level of comprehension of the criteria , I've proven already your level of it and its zero , just like Neo and pumpster and iceman , I've proven I know more and how? by making statements that were verified after-the-fact by a professional who said the same thing

I look at the pictures of Ronnie 99-99 and say wow Ronnie 98 is drier and harder than 99 , and I say this and you go ballistic and low-and-behold I verify after-the-fact using an eyewitness ( Peter McGough )

I say Dorian has better balance & proportion than Ronnie , you go haywire denying up and down , sure is shit I have a quote from Dorian specifically stating so coupled with one from Lee Priest , my critique is backed-up by two professionals , this shows I know what the fuck I'm talking about !! the same about Dorian's conditioning which I always maintained he had an edge in and once again confirmed after-the-fact , density is common knowledge , etc

now you say I'm not applying the criteria properly I think its very clear I am , I have stated my case and have it backed up after-the-fact from eyewitnesses , this my friend is more than you can say  where is your verification that you are right? right about Ronnie being better conditioned , better balanced , about having better density ? where are they? one of us is right and one of us is wrong lol and I'm sure as fuck not wrong kid lol so again I'm proven right after-the-fact ! this silences your bullshit , I know what the fuck I'm talking about

and the comparisons a SLANTED & BIASED Coleman fan made Dorian is getting killed ? lol see you can't base an honest intelligent opinion of Dorian on pictures and especially NOT on pictures a Coleman fan made , I mean their accuracy leaves a LOT to be desired , especially when Dorian has a smaller waist and Ronnie's calves are the same size as Yates lol

[NarcissisticDeity]

yeah, and ronnie doesn't.

 

goodbye.

I am not wasting any more time arguing with someone who is so stupid and ignorant.

You're not wasting your time looking stupid and getting demoralized , you've yet to counter my points or prove your own , please stop saying you're done with this thread , either post or don't , but spare us the melodrama !


and how dare you call Peter McGough and a IFBB judge ' stupid & ignorant ' they said specfically Yates looks 10 times better in person , so to call them stupid & ignorant is to expose your own stupidity !

you can't counter my argument 

[Steve387]

This whole argument doesnt make sense, your comparing[Hulkster] pictures of Dorian and Ronnie when one is obviously ''off'' or at a angle which makes them look bad, and the other looks great. Why don't you compare shots of each at their considered ''best'' to make it more fun and even? Infact i dont think it is serious anymore , just a bickering match posting same pictures back and forth for last 10 pages or something.


Ronnie's biceps were always better from the front. Arms? who knows, Dorian had great forearms too, but Biceps definitely coleman, me personally.
9 times out of 10 Dorian's ab-thigh pose was always better i thought. Ronnie's 1996 and 1995 ab-thigh was excellent so it's a matter of which you prefer. Who would the judges choose? Who cares, they made bad and good decisions.Only difference is what they say determines who gets a trophy and money, doesn't mean they made the correct choice of course, since a lot of it is subjective 

Dorian had better, bigger, more developed calves

Also another thing at their career bests one is going to have something over the other. Dorian might have more dryness but Ronnie better shape, or development. This whole thread is going off the idea one is better than the other, when in reality i think you mean '' i prefer this over x''. Or '' i prefer Ronnie Coleman, better shape, back looks better, better biceps'' even tho he no calves in a lot of shots, compared to other competitor.

[Hulkster]

Why don't you compare shots of each at their considered ''best'' to make it more fun and even?

um.

this has been done a hundred million times and Dorian gets owned by ronnie according to everyone but ND and two others..

in fact, dorian was owned so badly that the dorian side had to claim 'fake pics' 

see page 487 for the 93 vs 99 screencaps...

its not even close:

[davidpaul]

You're not wasting your time looking stupid and getting demoralized , you've yet to counter my points or prove your own , please stop saying you're done with this thread , either post or don't , but spare us the melodrama !


and how dare you call Peter McGough and a IFBB judge ' stupid & ignorant ' they said specfically Yates looks 10 times better in person , so to call them stupid & ignorant is to expose your own stupidity !

you can't counter my argument 

Great avatar ND,

[suckmymuscle]

I highly suggest you read my post since it's obvious you never bothered to read it. Every single argument you've made against my comparison has already been refuted. I also provided counter-arguments should you raise more objections. All you keep doing is repeating the same tired arguments that have already been debunked.

  You haven't debunked shit. Go cry and whine in the corner, little girl, because you got owned epically. My objections to your idiotic ramblings as follows:

  - You thought that I was measuring the whole lengh of their respective arms, when in reality I was measuring the lengh of their wrists to their elbows in both cases. I am still waiting for your apology.

  - The line you drew is completley arbitrary. You drew the line more up in Dorian's hand, while you drew it on Ronnie's wrist.

  - In my own comparison I found first 2.3 centimeters and then 1.4 centimeters. All of this amounts to much more than what you claim.

  - The scale of the picture is not 11 as you say. Remember that the frame of the picture is not included in this but only the actual size of the bodybuilders shown in the picture.

  - You did not adjust the bodybuilders for angle facing the camera. This gives Ronnie and illsusion of being wider than he is.

  - You did not adjust for depth.

  - You got a picture fom the 2003 Olympia and one from the 1993 Olympia where the bodybuilders were not standing side by side to each other and where the distance of the camera from the bodybuilders has not been accounted for.

  So go celebrate your "victory" all you want, because the only thing that you've proven is that you're a sore loser who can't admit defeat no matter what, and willl continue to argue a lost cause just to save face.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

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[NeoSeminole]

You haven't debunked shit. Go cry and whine in the corner, little girl, because you got owned epically. My objections to your idiotic ramblings as follows:

- You thought that I was measuring the whole lengh of their respective arms, when in reality I was measuring the lengh of their wrists to their elbows in both cases. I am still waiting for your apology.

show me where I claimed you were measuring the length of their entire arm. I know you just made that shit up.

- The line you drew is completley arbitrary. You drew the line more up in Dorian's hand, while you drew it on Ronnie's wrist.

I already compensated for this. You must not have read my post. Here's an excerpt:

"If we entertain your nonsense about the line on Dorian's forearm including part of his hand, it brings the total difference to 4 mm - still less than half of what you claim!!"

All you're doing is regurgitating the same bullshit I refuted.

- In my own comparison I found first 2.3 centimeters and then 1.4 centimeters. All of this amounts to much more than what you claim.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

what does your comparison have to do with mine? You said earlier the difference in forearm length between Dorian and Ronnie is 1". Then you changed that figure to over a cm. After I proved you wrong on both accounts, you then claim you arrived at that measurement based on your own comparison which nobody has seen. You never mentioned before anything about making your own comparison. Let's see it.

- The scale of the picture is not 11 as you say. Remember that the frame of the picture is not included in this but only the actual size of the bodybuilders shown in the picture.

yes it is. I measured their height in inches in my comparison and then compared that to their actual height in person. The ratio is approximately 1: 11.75.

- You did not adjust the bodybuilders for angle facing the camera. This gives Ronnie and illsusion of being wider than he is.

now you are grasping for straws. Width is irrelevant since we are discussing height and length. Dorian could be turned to the side yet still be the same height in the pic.

- You got a picture fom the 2003 Olympia and one from the 1993 Olympia where the bodybuilders were not standing side by side to each other and where the distance of the camera from the bodybuilders has not been accounted for.

I drew lines across the tops of their heads, waists, knees, and bottom of their feet to show the proportions are anatomically correct. If the scaling was so horrible as you nuthuggers like to have us believe, then none of the lines should match up yet we see the complete opposite is true.

[NeoSeminole]

I invite everyone to measure the lengths of the yellow lines on Dorian's and Ronnie's forearms and see for themselves. Suckmyasshole claims the difference in forearm length is over a cm when in reality it's less than 5 mm.

[IceCold]

hulkster, why do you ONLY use the MM for comparisons?

why not the abs and thigh or side triceps or any other pose?

[IceCold]

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=164602.50


check the latest on the dumpster bashing.

hey pumpster,

you're not a mod on this forum, so you cant delete my posts.

hahahahaha.

[pumpster]

pumpster,

stop deleting my posts in the training forum - people have a right to know who is giving them training advice.



bluto is also a mod and you will no longer be deleting my posts.

we own your fucking bowflex ass.

LOL classic keyboard warrior.

[IceCold]

LOL classic keyboard warrior.

bowflex warrior.

everyone is on to you - you have no credibility (you never did ) and the entire board now knows it. 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Great avatar ND,

Thanks !! 

[NarcissisticDeity]

um.

this has been done a hundred million times and Dorian gets owned by ronnie according to everyone but ND and two others..

in fact, dorian was owned so badly that the dorian side had to claim 'fake pics' 

see page 487 for the 93 vs 99 screencaps...

its not even close:

Oh Dorian does not get owned using the criteria in ANY pose  , Dorian has the edge in muscular balance and proportion , density , conditioning and depending on the year muscular bulk , you've yet to counter this argument . you post strawmen the mostmuscular and the hands clasped most muscular as some proof Ronnie is better lol its pathetic

and long before anyone questioned the 99 screencaps you cried this pic was fake so at least you're staying true to your hypocritical self lol

[NeoSeminole]

Oh Dorian does not get owned using the criteria in ANY pose, Dorian has the edge in muscular balance and proportion , density , conditioning and depending on the year muscular bulk , you've yet to counter this argument . you post strawmen the mostmuscular and the hands clasped most muscular as some proof Ronnie is better lol its pathetic

uggh, back to the same old bullshit I see.

Ronnie in 03 has the edge in muscular bulk, definition, and shape. Proportion is a toss-up b/c it depends on which version of Dorian we are comparing. If we use 95 Dorian, then it's a tie. This leaves conditioning. The difference in conditioning between 03 Ronnie and Dorian is less than the difference in size. Therefore, Ronnie's list of advantages outweigh Dorian's.

[NarcissisticDeity]

uggh, back to the same old bullshit I see.

Ronnie in 03 has the edge in muscular bulk, definition, and shape. Proportion is a toss-up b/c it depends on which version of Dorian we are comparing. If we use 95 Dorian, then it's a tie. This leaves conditioning. The difference in conditioning between 03 Ronnie and Dorian is less than the difference in size. Therefore, Ronnie's advantages outweigh Dorian's.

definition  sure your right Ronnie was lucky to tie Yates for conditioning/definition ( definition is a 70s term ) in 2001 nevermind that softer Coleman of 03 and bulk Yes , shape? whats that your own added criteria ? shape is looked at in every round and in every pose , and Ronnie does have some better shapped muscles no question but so does Dorian , and proportion & balance are in NO WAY SHAPE or FORM equal pre-tear or POST !! Dorian has one bicep shorter than another and according to an IFBB judge it made ' no difference what so ever ' Ronnie's balance & proportion sucks period , this has been addressed , corrected and dismissed

Dorian and Lee Priest specfically state Dorian has the edge in balance against Ronnie so your nonsense if dismissed again and nice how you neglected density and posing and presentation ( for a reason )

Dorian 1993/1995 has the following advantages against Ronnie 2003

Muscular balance ( and proportion )
Muscular Density
Conditioning ( definition )
Posing & presentation

he is down 30 pounds and Yates' combo has best many bigger man , see Nasser who was 285 pounds , Fux 285 pounds , Ferrigno 318 pounds , Dillett 275 pounds its not impossible for Yates to beat Ronnie 2003 especially when he enjoys the above advantages as well , so nice try , sorry you failed , run along and play now , come back when you have something to work with. 

[suckmymuscle]

I invite everyone to measure the lengths of the yellow lines on Dorian's and Ronnie's forearms and see for themselves. Suckmyasshole claims the difference in forearm length is over a cm when in reality it's less than 5 mm.

  SemenHole, you drew an arbitrary line and then made the assumption that this is correct. But it is not. The line you drew goes upper on Dorian's hand, while it stopd as Ronnie's wrist. Furthermore, even if we assume that it is only 5 milimeters, take into consideration the scale of the picture. It is not 11:1, as you claim, but over 18:1. I measured Ronnie's height and it came out at 10 centimeters. His height in real life is 180 centimeters. That's a factor of 18. That would regardless mean a difference of at least 10 centimeters. Other problems with your retarded comparison:

  - You didn't adjust for angle.

  - You didn't adjust for depth.

  - you scaled it poorly in Ronnie's favor when it comes to width.
 
SUCKMYMUSCLE

[RocketSwitch625]

Here comes a classic one liner by yours truly. Yates is way better.

My name isn't Matt C**t by the way. LOL

[Matt C]

Here comes a classic one liner by yours truly. Coleman is way better.

My name isn't Matt C**t by the way. LOL

Fixed that one for ya. 

[IceCold]

ronnie never received the ovation from the people in attendance that yates did.

but according to hulkster, people in attendance dont know anything - only the people who voted in his polls.


lol.

[Hulkster]

hulkster, why do you ONLY use the MM for comparisons?

why not the abs and thigh or side triceps or any other pose?

I use other poses all the time. Dorian gets killed in most of them too.

just look:


the most muscular is a favorite because it hightlight how poor dorian's arms, chest, quads etc were compared to peak Ronnie.

If he had better development he wouldn't look so bad in the pose.

[Hulkster]

LOL

Why o why do the retarded yates fans keep posting this pic?

the arms are terrible in terms of shape and detail.

the delts are just as bad.

the flexed quad is so devoid of detail that it is laughable and

the calf belongs to someone who weighs 400 pounds. way out of proportion.

its a horrible shot of yates.

his 93 mm was much much better.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I use other poses all the time. Dorian gets killed in most of them too.

just look:


the most muscular is a favorite because it hightlight how poor dorian's arms, chest, quads etc were compared to peak Ronnie.

If he had better development he wouldn't look so bad in the pose.

Ronnie Coleman on 

DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: A close friend. Dorian is very intelligent, a great Mr. Olympia. He had the best side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen.

Best side chest pose he says , thickest , freakiest back ever he says !! go away and come back later with something of substance 


Shawn Ray on Ronnie's side chest ( damn it sucks to be you )

Ronnie�s side chest leaves a lot to be desired when compared to people who can actually hit it right


owned Oh dude you're fucking owned using your own boy , now what ?? lmfao 

[NarcissisticDeity]

LOL

Why o why do the retarded yates fans keep posting this pic?

the arms are terrible in terms of shape and detail.

the delts are just as bad.

the flexed quad is so devoid of detail that it is laughable and

the calf belongs to someone who weighs 400 pounds. way out of proportion.

its a horrible shot of yates.

his 93 mm was much much better.

Oh the pic you cried FAKE FAKE? the one who shut you up lol that pic crushed Ronnie 99 in terms of balance & proportion , density and bulk ( 260 pounds ) and conditioning and the pic is taken at an angle up making the calves look bigger check the balance on the legs boy , see Kevin's calves are a tad to small for his quads and Dorian is just right and the irony of you bring up unbalanced legs lol Ronnie's calves look like they belong on a person who weighs 190 pounds , walk away with your head down