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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #34850 on: September 16, 2007, 09:00:21 PM »
All In A Night's Work: Flex Magazine

http://www.ronniecoleman.net/7xo.html

"As for the contest itself, few seem to dispute Ronnie's dominance, even many of his fellow competitors. For whatever faults he may possess, Ronnie Coleman is quite possibly the most impressive physical specimen walking the earth today. Pictures do not do him justice. When he stands relaxed muscle literally hangs from his frame, as if his skin can no longer support the pendulous masses of flesh he has forged with untold tons of iron and steel. It's difficult to imagine anyone surpassing Big Ron's level of mass in this, or any, lifetime.

I found the original source of the article. It was featured on flexonline.com

http://www.flexonline.com/news/61

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #34851 on: September 16, 2007, 09:24:57 PM »
Ronnie at the 01 ASC by Sean Toh
http://creditplushealth.org/sport%20celebrities/Ronnie%20Coleman.htm

"At the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic, Ronnie won the show and his performance at the time was hailed by many to be his best ever showing. He was 245 pounds at the contest, in extremely tight form, and dense as stone."

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #34852 on: September 17, 2007, 12:57:39 AM »
1998 Mr. Olympia
http://www.ronniecoleman.net/biographyprofile.html

"When Mr. Coleman showed up at the New York event in October, Mr. McGough says he immediately noticed the difference. "He was really much harder," he says. "He retained his size, but he had the density and granite hardness."

"Mr. Nicholls, who is also Flex Wheeler's nutritionist, sensed Mr. Coleman had the edge going into the last day of competition. "Flex was in a catch-up mode, and Ronnie was ahead of schedule," he says. "He was so good, nothing you could do was going to stop him from being in shape that day."




Proved my point thanks !  ;) I always said Ronnie perhaps match Yates for conditioning & density on two occasions 1998/2001 ASC albeit light too

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #34853 on: September 17, 2007, 01:02:33 AM »
Great most muscular but fucking hell, his gut is ruining everything..

I am a mini beast

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #34854 on: September 17, 2007, 04:55:03 AM »

Sorry fella, today these legs would look small.

Also, Ronnie always famously had delts not big enough for his huge chest, something he had to remedy before becoming Mr O. So it's interesting ND that you feel his delts dwarf his chest in the side-chest shot. Admittedly he doesn't get his shoulders right back when he hits the pose but by no stretch of the imagination does his chest look anything other than huge, nor do his chest, arms and delts look anything less than super-detailed next to Dorian's detail-less offerings.
Finally, Peter McGough does not speak for everyone. As one might ask a child: If Peter McGough jumped off a bridge would you?
I prefer Richard Jones' assessment that 98 and 99 were both great years for Ronnie. After all, he was fuller in 99 with undoubtedly better legs. The cold reality however, as I've stated before, is that the judges would be forced to give 2003 Ronnie precedence as all-time greatest in any fantasy showdown. Scary but true.

Check hams and overall thickness

Check the lats, glutes and hams. Like it or not, those hanging lats, shredded glutes and hams would have inspired awe in Dorian-era judges just as they did in 2003 judges. Plus the overall impact of the dwarfing which would have unavoidably taken place is inescapable. Notice (although they're still obviously better) Dorian is not destroying Ronnie's huge 2003 calves. I know size isn't priority no1 but it does matter, and when judges see glutes they think condition, hence Ronnie, the winningest pro of all time, would necessarily win.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #34855 on: September 17, 2007, 06:56:04 AM »
Peter McGough does not speak for everyone. As one might ask a child: If Peter McGough jumped off a bridge would you?


McGough spoke for ND just fine, that's why his name was brought up in the first place. Until it blew up in ND's face, with remarks by the same McGough that Coleman had both the greatest back and greatest physique in BB history. ;D

The humiliation & embarassment for ND has been immense. :-[

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #34856 on: September 17, 2007, 08:33:28 AM »
I can't imagine any version of Dorian beating this.

Difficult to swallow for those living in the past, but truer than the day in long, as Sarcasm would have said.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #34857 on: September 17, 2007, 11:43:07 AM »
Difficult to swallow for those living in the past, but truer than the day in long

Exactly. This one's for ironage fossils ice & ND.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #34858 on: September 17, 2007, 02:03:02 PM »

Sorry fella, today these legs would look small.

Also, Ronnie always famously had delts not big enough for his huge chest, something he had to remedy before becoming Mr O. So it's interesting ND that you feel his delts dwarf his chest in the side-chest shot. Admittedly he doesn't get his shoulders right back when he hits the pose but by no stretch of the imagination does his chest look anything other than huge, nor do his chest, arms and delts look anything less than super-detailed next to Dorian's detail-less offerings.
Finally, Peter McGough does not speak for everyone. As one might ask a child: If Peter McGough jumped off a bridge would you?
I prefer Richard Jones' assessment that 98 and 99 were both great years for Ronnie. After all, he was fuller in 99 with undoubtedly better legs. The cold reality however, as I've stated before, is that the judges would be forced to give 2003 Ronnie precedence as all-time greatest in any fantasy showdown. Scary but true.

Check the lats, glutes and hams. Like it or not, those hanging lats, shredded glutes and hams would have inspired awe in Dorian-era judges just as they did in 2003 judges. Plus the overall impact of the dwarfing which would have unavoidably taken place is inescapable. Notice (although they're still obviously better) Dorian is not destroying Ronnie's huge 2003 calves. I know size isn't priority no1 but it does matter, and when judges see glutes they think condition, hence Ronnie, the winningest pro of all time, would necessarily win.

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Sorry fella, today these legs would look small.

Sorry fella thats NOT the Yates we're using to compare to Ronnie thats 1996 Olympia where his legs were noticeably flat and small that year much like Ronnie's arms were at the 2002 Mr Olympia and its NOT about the size its about the size and the balance & proportion of the leg as a whole

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Also, Ronnie always famously had delts not big enough for his huge chest, something he had to remedy before becoming Mr O. So it's interesting ND that you feel his delts dwarf his chest in the side-chest shot. Admittedly he doesn't get his shoulders right back when he hits the pose but by no stretch of the imagination does his chest look anything other than huge, nor do

Ah in the picture you posted he's NOT in profile he's twisting his torso back , when he's viewed from trhe side its clearly evident his delts dominate the shot making his pecs appear small I've posted numerous pictures to show this and his side chest shot as a whole leaves a lot to be desired just ask Shawn Ray

Ronnie�s side chest leaves a lot to be desired when compared to people who can actually hit it right

and Ronnie himself when asked about Dorian Yates


DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: A close friend. Dorian is very intelligent, a great Mr. Olympia. He had the best side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen.



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Finally, Peter McGough does not speak for everyone. As one might ask a child: If Peter McGough jumped off a bridge would you?

I mean really jump off a bridge  ::) NO McGough doesn't speak for everyone and everyone has an opinion on subjective matters this is always taken into consideration , however in non-subjective matters such as conditioning from one contest to another his opinion is valuable and right on the money , his assertion that Ronnie was better conditioned in 1998 VS 1999 is accurate , Ronnie himself confirmed this as well , the only one who disagrees is Hulkster and I will most certainly take the opinion of an eyewitness of some one who is online basing their opinion of a faulty means such as compressed video and screencaps from YouTube his opinion will never be taken seriously when put up against an eyewitness

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I prefer Richard Jones' assessment that 98 and 99 were both great years for Ronnie. After all, he was fuller in 99 with undoubtedly better legs. The cold reality however, as I've stated before, is that the judges would be forced to give 2003 Ronnie precedence as all-time greatest in any fantasy showdown. Scary but true.

No one is arguing 1998/1999 were great years for Ronnie they were among his best , however 1998 is the better of the two because his conditioning was at it's absolute best , he was bone dry & rock hard . He was fuller in 1999 and I personally think he looked better fuller but it came at the cost of conditioning and I don't thinks his legs are any better in 1999 bigger yes better no

And if the judges were to use the criteria the judges would be forced to give any fantasy showdown to Dorian and why? because he simply meets the criteria better , the only advantage Ronnie 2003 has his better muscular bulk , his conditioning isn't on par with 1999 never mind Dorian his balance & proportion are at their all-time worse , his muscle density is lacking especially compared to Yates , Ronnie 2003 super big , super full and thats it

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Check the lats, glutes and hams. Like it or not, those hanging lats, shredded glutes and hams would have inspired awe in Dorian-era judges just as they did in 2003 judges. Plus the overall impact of the dwarfing which would have unavoidably taken place is inescapable. Notice (although they're still obviously better) Dorian is not destroying Ronnie's huge 2003 calves. I know size isn't priority no1 but it does matter, and when judges see glutes they think condition, hence Ronnie, the winningest pro of all time, would necessarily win.

Yeah check the lats very big and soft compared to his earlier versions , striated glutes and ripped hams sure big deal his OVERALL conditioning leaves a lot to be desired and you people think Ronnie 2003 is Paul Bunyan he's 7'6" and 900 pounds with legs the size of tree trunks and thats all fanciful but not really accurate , points to ponder NO one dwarf Yates no one he's faced many a heavier bodybuilder and beat them all this is a quote from an IFBB judge

I.F.B.B. judge Roger Schwab

Though Yates was lighter than Lou Ferrigno or Paul Dillett , he appeared to be the biggest man on stage-by far- and the hardest , dominating from beginning to end and every step in between.


and now Shawn Ray on Dexter Jackson & Ronnie Coleman

From where I sat, in certain poses you would never know Dexter was giving up 70lbs to Ronnie?

Now a 275 pound Dillett and a 318 pound Ferrigno couldn't dwarf Yates , a 287 pound Ronnie isn't and a 296 pound Ronnie ( in some poses ) couldn't dwarf a 225 pound Dexter Jackson he's most certainly NOT going to dwarf Dorian , and if you're going by that ' comparison ' or any that Neo made , please don't because they're God-awful

And when the judges see the striated glutes they think conditioning until he flexes his back and see its not bone dry or rock hard especially compared to Yates , you're fixating on size to much it is part is parcel of bodybuilding however its only a small part of the criteria on how contests are judges and recall ALL ROUNDS ARE PHYSIQUE ROUNDS and that means all the criteria is applied in every single rounds NOT judged independently of each other or as separate entities the only advantage Ronnie has in 2003 is muscular bulk , Dorian easily has better conditioning & density , balance & proportion , Dorian is a better technical poser in the mandatory shots , it may be close it may not be but taking everything into consideration Dorian simply meets the criteria better than Ronnie in any year.






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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #34859 on: September 17, 2007, 02:07:24 PM »
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I don't thinks his legs are any better in 1999 bigger yes better no


that is because you are blind and ignorant.

Ronnie's legs in 99 were VASTLY better than in 98:

larger

more full.

WAY more seperated..
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #34860 on: September 17, 2007, 02:09:37 PM »
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Now a 275 pound Dillett and a 318 pound Ferrigno couldn't dwarf Yates

ND, do everyone a favor and just stop typing.

everything you type is complete bullshit with NO BASIS IN REALITY whatsoever. and it is so easily proven WRONG.

I would honestly  not be surprised if you were declared legally blind, and yet still comment on all this stuff.. ::)
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #34861 on: September 17, 2007, 02:10:33 PM »
McGough spoke for ND just fine, that's why his name was brought up in the first place. Until it blew up in ND's face, with remarks by the same McGough that Coleman had both the greatest back and greatest physique in BB history. ;D

The humiliation & embarassment for ND has been immense. :-[

You're an idiot NO one knew about the quote of McGough stating Ronnie in 2001 would be unbeatable UNTIL I posted it  ;) you people would have never had this to cling to if it wasn't for me I chose to post that because its a subjective matter and it doesn't mean he's right so nothing backfired in fact when I started posting McGough quotes you people went to elaborate lengths to dismiss them , claiming they're both Brits and he's biased etc , etc but now it serves your purpose they're valid , the epitome of hypocrisy thats the difference between you and I

and you're like Hulkster you constantly project yourselves into everyone else , you want me to be humiliated and embarrassed because thats how I make you feel , especially after I posted the BowFlex pics , now you type empty words looking for retribution to no avail , look at all the grief those BowFlexs have caused you on this board alone lol and I don't blame you for being upset but you're grasping when you think you've accomplished anything remotely the same as I inflicted on you .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #34862 on: September 17, 2007, 02:13:21 PM »
ND, do everyone a favor and just stop typing.

everything you type is complete bullshit with NO BASIS IN REALITY whatsoever. and it is so easily proven WRONG.

I would honestly  not be surprised if you were declared legally blind, and yet still comment on all this stuff.. ::)

LMFAO low and behold Hulkster cracks out his ' proof ' the IFBB judge was talking exactly about this contest in question and you think one photo proves anything? ( rhetorical ) thats one moment of an entire day of the judge says NO ONE dwarfed Yates I'll take his word for it , you don't want to take his word for it because you have this fantasy of Ronnie being Paul Bunyan , stop acting like you know more than an eyewitness and a fucking judge to boot .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #34863 on: September 17, 2007, 02:14:41 PM »
that is because you are blind and ignorant.

Ronnie's legs in 99 were VASTLY better than in 98:

larger

more full.

WAY more seperated..


More garbage way more separated you're hopeless , please spare yourself with the YouTube screen graps compared to DVD ones .

Fuller YES ( i.e. less dense ) way more separated get the fuck out here and learn something about bodybuilding , Ronnie showing just as good separation in the rectus femoris , Vastus lateralis , Vastus medialis

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #34864 on: September 17, 2007, 02:19:18 PM »
ND, since you love quotes so much, the ironman mag with the 99 olympia coverage specifically mentions how much more seperated Ronnie's quads were in 99.

No one can believe how stupid you are.

here we are showing you proof after proof after proof and you don't believe ANY of it. And its right in front of your fucking eyeballs..

take up another fucking sport dumbass.

this one is NOT for you:

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #34865 on: September 17, 2007, 02:20:05 PM »
Helen Fucking Keller can see the CLEAR difference in SEPERATION of the QUADS from 98 to 99.

But ND can't..

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #34866 on: September 17, 2007, 02:27:19 PM »
ND, since you love quotes so much, the ironman mag with the 99 olympia coverage specifically mentions how much more seperated Ronnie's quads were in 99.

No one can believe how stupid you are.

here we are showing you proof after proof after proof and you don't believe ANY of it. And its right in front of your fucking eyeballs..

take up another fucking sport dumbass.

this one is NOT for you:

 ::)

Shut the fuck up you moron I have Flex's coverage from the 1999 Mr Olympia and NO WHERE does it say a damn thing about his legs being more separated and see above pics for proof  ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #34867 on: September 17, 2007, 02:28:17 PM »
Helen Fucking Keller can see the CLEAR difference in quality between the twoscreen caps from 98 to 99.

But Hulkster can't..

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #34868 on: September 17, 2007, 02:29:34 PM »
Shut the fuck up you moron I have Flex's coverage from the 1999 Mr Olympia and NO WHERE does it say a damn thing about his legs being more separated and see above pics for proof  ;)

I said ironman you stupid idiot.

learn to read.

everyone here is always commenting on how bad your reading comprehensions skills are and its no secret why..

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #34869 on: September 17, 2007, 02:31:40 PM »
I said ironman you stupid idiot.

learn to read.

everyone here is always commenting on how bad your reading comprehensions skills are and its no secret why..

 ::)

NO I know what you typed let me guess you don't have the mag anymore  ::) you've lied before your word is worthless I have the Flex coverage from 1998/1999 and NO WHERE does it mention any improvement in separation .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #34870 on: September 17, 2007, 02:33:32 PM »
I said ironman you stupid idiot.

learn to read.

everyone here is always commenting on how bad your reading comprehensions skills are and its no secret why..

 ::)

Look at the pictures I posted kid , clear discrepancy between the separation isn't there? Ronnie's legs were fuller yes no one is arguing that better separated NO thats your fantasy

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #34871 on: September 17, 2007, 02:57:46 PM »
Look at the pictures I posted kid , clear discrepancy between the separation isn't there? Ronnie's legs were fuller yes no one is arguing that better separated NO thats your fantasy

and apparently Lonnie Teper who wrote that he criticized Ronnie 98 for lack of quad cuts and the improvement that he made in 99.

that improvement is obvious to everyone but the resident BLIND MAN of Getbig, YOU:

 ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Honestly ND, cut the fucking bullshit.

you are embarassing yourself even more:
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #34872 on: September 17, 2007, 03:01:00 PM »
another thing:

if you compare the clips of 98 vs 99 you can see in ronnie's posing routine the CLEAR improvement in seperation of the Quads.

WHAT WILL YOUR EXCUSE FOR THIS BE, ND?

TELL US?

WE ALL WANT TO KNOW.. ::)

if you think Ronnie 98 had quads that even come CLOSE to this level of seperation, well, I am fucking santa claus:

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« Reply #34873 on: September 17, 2007, 03:12:12 PM »
Its boring to see it in the first page of this board all the time,start a new thread.Nobody cares...
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #34874 on: September 17, 2007, 03:12:55 PM »
Pete McGough, once ND's hero and point of reference, now a complete EMBARASSMENT with his acknowledgement that Coleman had "the greatest back and greatest physique in BB history". :'(

ND we are in fact sorry for your humiliation. Think twice next time who you tie your hopes & dreams to. ;D