Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[Hulkster]

Heres your calf shot hulkster.
Detail, size, thickness.

thank you.

now, was that so difficult? why did it take you guys long?

I taught you guys a big lesson in debating: that was my whole point of this exercise.

you have to PROVE the other person is wrong before going on and one about how wrong he was.

dorian's calves equalled ronnie's in detail, but killed him in size and shape.

I even have pics saved on my computer of dorian's calves showing good detail, but I did not post them at the time.  I wanted to illustrate the mistake that the dorian side is making:

posts with all comment, no evidence. in other words, a classical ND post.

you need the evidence to properly debate and show critical thinking skills.

more lessons to follow...

[Shockwave]

It took them so long because I stopped myself from posting in this thread for so long.
Im like a meth addict for the truce thread.

[England_1]

thank you.

now, was that so difficult? why did it take you guys long?

I taught you guys a big lesson in debating: that was my whole point of this exercise.

you have to PROVE the other person is wrong before going on and one about how wrong he was.

dorian's calves equalled ronnie's in detail, but killed him in size and shape.

I even have pics saved on my computer of dorian's calves showing good detail, but I did not post them at the time.  I wanted to illustrate the mistake that the dorian side is making:

posts with all comment, no evidence. in other words, a classical ND post.

you need the evidence to properly debate and show critical thinking skills.

more lessons to follow...

Except the mistake you make is that you use certain pictures as the determining factor in this argument. Pictures alone simply do not decide who was better. How can you explain the fact that there have been several brief posters in this thread that have seen both Dorian and Ronnie compete in their primes, and guess what, they all said Dorian was better. That is why I am so reluctant to accept your argument; you, who have never seen either compete are saying one thing, and those who have seen them at their primes say another 

[Hulkster]

well, renowned bb writer/insider Peter McGough (a fellow countryman of yours and friend of dorians) says Ronnie at his best was unbeatable.

and he has seen both dorian and ronnie live and in person..

[Shockwave]

I still think it's a wash.
Dorian fits the written criteria better. Ronnie has more fan appeal.
It comes down to personal preferance.

[Hulkster]

the other thing to remember is that if there were only one or two pics showing peak ronnie being better, than your argument would make sense.

problem is, it isn't just one or two pics.

its so many its overwhelming.

in fact, its so many that people like Icecold have actually had to argue that Ronnie 99 pic were FAKED because they were so dominating over dorian.

to me, that says it all right there...

[England_1]

well, renowned bb writer/insider Peter McGough (a fellow countryman of yours and friend of dorians) says Ronnie at his best was unbeatable.

and he has seen both dorian and ronnie live and in person..

No, he said he was unbeatable compared to his contemporaries i.e. 2001 crap competitors

What you and pictures can never take into account is what I call "shock factor." When the judges saw Dorian in 1993 they probably shit their pants. I believe Dorian makes a greater first impression because he was diesel brick of muscle. He was denser than a golden nugget. Coleman was just as big, but held more water and was softer, eventhough he had more cuts.

[Hulkster]

I think you guys should kick IceCold off your side.

his insistance that all the dominating 99 ronnie screenshots have been altered( ) really brings down the whole argument for the dorian side.

it really does..

[England_1]

the other thing to remember is that if there were only one or two pics showing peak ronnie being better, than your argument would make sense.

problem is, it isn't just one or two pics.

its so many its overwhelming.

in fact, its so many that people like Icecold have actually had to argue that Ronnie 99 pic were FAKED because they were so dominating over dorian.

to me, that says it all right there...

Those muscletime picture of Yates above are as impressive or more impressive than anything I've seen of Coleman because Yates had NO FLAWS in 1993. He was on from every angle. He could hit every pose and be the best man on stage. The same cannot be said of Coleman.

[Shockwave]

Those muscletime picture of Yates above are as impressive or more impressive than anything I've seen of Coleman because Yates had NO FLAWS in 1993. He was on from every angle. He could hit every pose and be the best man on stage. The same cannot be said of Coleman.

Dorian's MM was a lackluster shot in 93, because he overdieted, I believe.
In 95, his MM was epic.
However, he should have hit that pose like Levrone, half twisted, because it was far more impressive when not viewed quite head on.
Also, that pose wasn't judged when Dorian was competing, so it was more of an afterthought.

[England_1]

Dorian's MM was a lackluster shot in 93, because he overdieted, I believe.
In 95, his MM was epic.
However, he should have hit that pose like Levrone, half twisted, because it was far more impressive when not viewed quite head on.
Also, that pose wasn't judged when Dorian was competing, so it was more of an afterthought.

I disagree. Dorian never had good shape on the most-muscular. But he epitomized the word "most-muscular". He was like a brick shithouse up there. Can you believe the effect when you had Dorian at 260lbs comparing most-musculars with a 200lb shawn ray and 215 Flex Wheeler? LOL. And you are right, the MM was not a mandatory until 2003, so Yates probably didn't care about it too much. Coleman would defeat him on the most-muscular though do to his outstanding, detailed, and crisp muscularity even if he wasn't as dense, conditioned, or proportioned from head to toe.

[Shockwave]

I disagree. Dorian never had good shape on the most-muscular. But he epitomized the word "most-muscular". He was like a brick shithouse up there. Can you believe the effect when you had Dorian at 260lbs comparing most-musculars with a 200lb shawn ray and 215 Flex Wheeler? LOL. And you are right, the MM was not a mandatory until 2003, so Yates probably didn't care about it too much. Coleman would defeat him on the most-muscular though do to his outstanding, detailed, and crisp muscularity even if he wasn't as dense, conditioned, or proportioned from head to toe.

Haha.
You agreed with me while disagreeing.
I agree on his shock value. I was saying, when you see him slightly from the side on his MM, you truely understand how thick he was. There is a shot from 95 on an angle that is fucking mindblowing.

[England_1]

I do believe Hulkster called photoshop on this picture 

[Shockwave]

I do believe Hulkster called photoshop on this picture 

That would be the one.

[NeoSeminole]

Man, 1993 was a fucking massacre. Likely the greatest asswhipping of all-time in any Mr. Olympia contest.

nope, the 03 Mr. Olympia was.

[England_1]

nope, the 03 Mr. Olympia was.

I don't think so. Coleman only had 15lbs more muscle than Cutler whereas Yates had 45lbs on Wheeler. 1993 was much more shocking.

[England_1]

I mean seriously, Wheeler looks like a little fucking kid standing next to huge Yates.

[Matt C]

I mean seriously, Wheeler looks like a little fucking kid standing next to huge Yates.

Hi Dorian.

I agree - there really is no comparison there!

[Shockwave]

It would be killer if Dorian came on here.
But I think he is too busy living "life" to actually waste time here. haha.

[Hulkster]

interesting comparison.

flex got bigger but puffier.

and ronnie 99 is owning dorian as usual!

thats the thing: dorian look great in 93. but he wasn't standing next to 1999 Ronnie Coleman, which changes everything.

its all relative.

[England_1]

interesting comparison.

flex got bigger but puffier.

and ronnie 99 is owning dorian as usual!

thats the thing: dorian look great in 93. but he wasn't standing next to 1999 Ronnie Coleman, which changes everything.

its all relative.

Dorian is owning Coleman there.

Dorian's legs are way better. As a whole his legs just blow away Coleman's. Coleman's legs are eerily similar to Flex's with simply more size, but Flex's legs look like shit next to Dorian's. Look at the difference in calf size between Yates and Flex  ...and Flex had calf implants too LOL.

Oh, and hulky, get it right, 1999 Coleman changes nothing. It doesn't change the fact that Dorian was 260lbs at 2% bodyfat. Dorian set the standard when Coleman was still in infancy. 1999 changed nothing. The judges didn't shit their pants because they had already seen a package more outstanding then that. It wasn't until 2003 that Coleman set a new standard, mostly due to insulin methinks 

[Hulkster]

I think ND should change the title of this thread to:


"ND says dorian has better arms than Ronnie"

like he has argued many times, much to the humour of the rest of the world..

[Hulkster]

It doesn't change the fact that Dorian was 260lbs at 2% bodyfat

yeah, and he still looked worse in comparisons..


bodybuilding is not about numbers..


I am still laughing at the fact  that you think Ronnie has worse legs than dorian LOL.

his quads, glutes and hams blow dorian off the map.

dorian has better calves. thats it.


dorian's quads aren't even close:

then again, you are from England, so you are biased from day one

[England_1]

23" calves, in your face.

How's this for detail, hulky 

Oh, and Dorian is unbeatable in the back relaxed pose 

[Hulkster]

but dorian loses 7 of the 8 mandatory poses, so its really futile.

ps If you watch the 99 olympia prejudging, I am pretty sure Ronnie can eclipse that back relaxed shot.