Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[Hulkster]

It got Hulkster a little frantic over in that thread.. hahahn
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=181591.0

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why would I be frantic when dorian still looks like garbage compared to Ronnie?

he has great calves in that vid. thats about it.

same old crappy quads, crappy superthick waist, a smooth upper back, and shitty arms..

[Hulkster]

well when shockwave said dorian has more detail and separation in his quads than ronnie, that made me wonder. but maybe he meant from the side? cause ive seen alot of pics of them both and ronnie owns him as far as front-on quad detail goes.

ND is going around claiming dorian had great cuts in his quads in the videos.

yeah, look how great they are..

the shear bias and stupidity is mindblowing.

dorian looks as flawed as ever compared to Ronnie (he looks worse than in contest because his upper back is smooth) and ND is claiming he was BETTER in that vid than in dieted condition..

great quads dorian..   not to mention the shitty arms, chest and delts.

clearly the worst upper body of any Mr. O in the last 20 years..

[Hulkster]

LMAO

[Hulkster]

Because he's already posted every video he could find.
Now he's probably about to get a restraining order from Mr. Coleman for calling about "old videos"

its already been done.

the 99 olympia prejudging video of Ronnie showed a physique so good that the nuthuggers could do nothing but claim the vid was fake.

 

what does that tell you about how much better Ronnie was than dorian at their bests?

it says a whole lot.

[Shockwave]

its already been done.

the 99 olympia prejudging video of Ronnie showed a physique so good that the nuthuggers could do nothing but claim the vid was fake.

 

what does that tell you about how much better Ronnie was than dorian at their bests?

it says a whole lot.

Actually, it tells me your subverting and skirting the issue by claiming we said it was fake.
No one said it was fake.
You have 3 different quality screencaps that are all shitty, you simply choose to use the darkest one that accentuates cuts to try and emphasize your point;
however, if you haven't noticed, no one else seemed to care but you and your clan..
Yet, this vid comes out and you have a shitload of people come out and say how much better dorian looks than Ronnie ever had..
Including one person who doesnt like either guy.
Sorry Hulkster, but just because your the voice that protests the loudest, doesnt make your voice the right one.

[Shockwave]

Hulkster, I'm not a fan of Ronnie's and Dorian's physiques, even if I own a couple of DVDS from each one, so I do have a totally unbiased opinion. To tell the truth, Dorian is far more impressive in that clip than Ronnie in "The Unbelievable"; minus the biceps, which are simply light years ahead on Coleman, Dorian owns Ronnie on every bodypart. Look at those calves, look at those tris, look how dry yet dense Dorian's muscles are; he's just way more complete than Ronnie ever was. I'm speaking of 1993 of course, after that year Dorian shouldn't have won any Mr O IMO. Ronnie may be the freakiest bodybuilder to ever enter a stage, but Dorian in that particular clip is just amazing.

[Shockwave]

ND is going around claiming dorian had great cuts in his quads in the videos.

yeah, look how great they are..

the shear bias and stupidity is mindblowing.

dorian looks as flawed as ever compared to Ronnie (he looks worse than in contest because his upper back is smooth) and ND is claiming he was BETTER in that vid than in dieted condition..

great quads dorian..   not to mention the shitty arms, chest and delts.

clearly the worst upper body of any Mr. O in the last 20 years..

Your shear bias and stupidity shines through with your mindless clinging to the MM as if it makes some form of point or difference;
In case you havent noticed, everyone knows that the MM is Ronnie's best pose and Dorian's worst.
No one even cares when you post anymore, they just brush your argument to the side because you say the same thing every post, never bringing anything new to the table, and maddeningly reposting the shitty 99 screencap claiming victory when anyone with two eyes can read the desperation and adoration in your posts.
Sorry bucko.

[Hulkster]

Your shear bias and stupidity shines through with your mindless clinging to the MM as if it makes some form of point or difference;
In case you havent noticed, everyone knows that the MM is Ronnie's best pose and Dorian's worst.
No one even cares when you post anymore, they just brush your argument to the side because you say the same thing every post, never bringing anything new to the table, and maddeningly reposting the shitty 99 screencap claiming victory when anyone with two eyes can read the desperation and adoration in your posts.
Sorry bucko.

and do you not stop to think for a moment WHY the mm is dorian's worst pose?

because from the front, his arms, delts, quads and chest were NOTHING SPECIAL. esp. compared to Ronnie Coleman.

its not my fault his upper body and quads sucked compared to Ronnie Coleman's at his peak.

you are quick to dismiss the crappy most muscular as insignficant, without realizing why it sucks in the first place..

[England_1]

Hulkster, you've lost, get over it.

the 1993 video was the final nail in the coffin. In over 1 year you have yet to prove why Yates shouldn't have won the Mr. Olympia. You have been made to look like a fool countless times by Team Yates.

Your statements regarding Yates are just absurd, I'm sure ND has the whole list.

-Dorian lost the 1993 Mr. Olympia to Flex. Are you fucking retarded? LMAO

[Hulkster]

LOL final nail in the coffin to a thread that was dead on page 487 with the ronnie 99 olympia stuff came out and totally dominated anything dorian ever presented?

please.

 

[SteelePegasus]

ND is a pathetic loser

dude..Dorian was good, one of the best...but Ronnie is/was the best..deal with it

the thread is Dead, Hulkster one

[Hulkster]

ND is a pathetic loser

dude..Dorian was good, one of the best...but Ronnie is/was the best..deal with it

the thread is Dead, Hulkster one

exactly! great post!

[GoneAway]

why cant u guys just get one competition, the best of each, and debate it from there? this thread will never be over unless that is done. it's retarded some of the arguements u guys make. seriously.

[suckmymuscle]

jesus these guys are fucking idiots.

dorian had better calves and abs, that is it.

nothing else was better, ronnies legs look three times as dry in that comparison. if dorians look "harder" please explain how i could quantify this visually?

you fucking cant, just keep saying harder, hardness means, cuts, seperation, and detail, nothing more.

dorian had the hardest lower back ever, because he had sick seperation, cuts and detail. theres no magic hardness you meatbags keep refering too, anyone with some fucking brains can see this. Hardness exists, but its based on the above factors.  its like saying dorians quads had great flavour, another meaningless statement unlesss you havf some visual variables. stop the thread for everyones sake, dorian loses, no doubt about it.

  Usmokedick,  hardness is not synonymous with separations and striations. Wheeler had incredible separations and striations even when he was holding water and looking soft. You're right that we can't quantify hardness, but we can look at two bodybuilders and tell who is harder. This is not a science. Stop pretending that we are trying to solve and equation and just accept the fact that hardness is apparent to the eyes even though we can't measure it. And yes, Ronnie might look harder to you than Dorian in the same way that Dorian looks harder to me than Ronnie, but if you show pics of both Dorian and Ronnie in contest shape most people will tell you that Dorian looks harder.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Shockwave]

LOL final nail in the coffin to a thread that was dead on page 487 with the ronnie 99 olympia stuff came out and totally dominated anything dorian ever presented?

please.

 

Desperation is not a pretty scent on you.

[Matt C]

Hulkster Lost ! The Truce Thread is DEAD ! the War is over !

I agree, this thread certainly is over.

Ronnie all the way!!

[Andre Nickatina]

RONNIE WINS

[Necrosis]

 Usmokedick,  hardness is not synonymous with separations and striations. Wheeler had incredible separations and striations even when he was holding water and looking soft. You're right that we can't quantify hardness, but we can look at two bodybuilders and tell who is harder. This is not a science. Stop pretending that we are trying to solve and equation and just accept the fact that hardness is apparent to the eyes even though we can't measure it. And yes, Ronnie might look harder to you than Dorian in the same way that Dorian looks harder to me than Ronnie, but if you show pics of both Dorian and Ronnie in contest shape most people will tell you that Dorian looks harder.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

fucking exactly

"Ronnie might look harder to you than Dorian in the same way that Dorian looks harder to me than Ronnie"

this defeats your argument, nice one. if there is no way to objectify it, its fucking pointless. i can see who has better seperation, who has more mass, who is more cut, who has more detail ,proportion and symmetry. fucking hardness is not a objective on its own and is usless. dorians lower back appears harder because it is seperated, ripped and striated like crazy.

his legs are not even close to as hard, neither are his arms or delts. simple fact. ronnies arms at this years show where ripped, and bone fucking dry with crazy seperation in the biceps(not as good as before) but then his back was a smooth as a baby, with no seperation, cuts, striations.

but if we put pics of dorian and ronnie together and said who is more conditioned the overwhelming majority would say ronnie, as they already have. ND is so desperate now he is changing thread titles. lol

[suckmymuscle]

fucking exactly

"Ronnie might look harder to you than Dorian in the same way that Dorian looks harder to me than Ronnie"

this defeats your argument, nice one. if there is no way to objectify it, its fucking pointless.

  No, it is not pointless because bodybuilding is a subjective and not objective sport. "Looking harder" is a perfectly valid argument. Judges don't sit there looking for a scale to determine who is harder, and then count how many points each bodybuilder marks on it; they just look at it and know.

i can see who has better seperation, who has more mass, who is more cut, who has more detail ,proportion and symmetry. fucking hardness is not a objective on its own and is usless.

  First of all, while it's true that you can see who has more separations and striations by looking at the bodybuilders, I have never seen judges stepping onstage and counting which bodybuilder has more of it and then giving him conditioning based on that. Secondly, most things in bodybuilding are subjective. Fro instance, both Nasser and Wheeler have won pro shows, despite radically different shapes. Who's to say who's best? Dorian looked harder because his muscles looked subjectively harder to most people who've seen pics of Dorian and Ronnie,. and that's good enough.

dorians lower back appears harder because it is seperated, ripped and striated like crazy.

  Wrong. Dorian's lower back appears more shredded because it is separated and striated, in the same way that Ronnie looks more shredded in his arms than Dorian. Being defined and hard are two different things. You can be ripped and still look soft, and you can be hard and be less ripped. Branch Warren is an example of a bodybuilder who is very hard but never had the incredible muscle separations of a Flex Wheeler or Ronnie Coleman.

his legs are not even close to as hard, neither are his arms or delts.

  They were not as ripped as Ronnie's, but they were granite hard

simple fact. ronnies arms at this years show where ripped, and bone fucking dry with crazy seperation in the biceps(not as good as before) but then his back was a smooth as a baby, with no seperation, cuts, striations.

  Ronnie's arms had more cuts than Dorian, but they did not look harder

but if we put pics of dorian and ronnie together and said who is more conditioned the overwhelming majority would say ronnie, as they already have. ND is so desperate now he is changing thread titles. lol

  Actually, this is what McGough had to say about Dorian's conditoning:

  "No man has ever been as hard and dry as the man who won six Sandows."

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[GoneAway]

First of all, while it's true that you can see who has more separations and striations by looking at the bodybuilders, I have never seen judges stepping onstage and counting which bodybuilder has more of it and then giving him conditioning based on that. Secondly, most things in bodybuilding are subjective.

yes we know hardness is a sign of conditioning of the skin, but so are striations and separation. u make it seem as though having all 4 quads separated (ronnie) and immense striations in his pecs (ronnie) are to be disregarded. if so, please shoot urself now as u have no right to judge a physique.

we all know ronnies skin didnt look as bone dry as dorian in most cases. but he more than made up for it with more striations and separation than dorian in the quads, arms and chest, from memory.

[KillerMonk]

At there bests Dorian(93)Ronnie(2001 Arnold Classic)were both the greatest BBs to rule the Earth.

Its Subjective to who you choose depending on many aspects.

Agree to disagree to me Dorian and Ronnie are inseprable i love them both neither had flaws at there best.

So who do i vote for i,ll flip a coin.

[suckmymuscle]

yes we know hardness is a sign of conditioning of the skin, but so are striations and separation. u make it seem as though having all 4 quads separated (ronnie) and immense striations in his pecs (ronnie) are to be disregarded. if so, please shoot urself now as u have no right to judge a physique.

we all know ronnies skin didnt look as bone dry as dorian in most cases. but he more than made up for it with more striations and separation than dorian in the quads, arms and chest, from memory.

  I never disregarded Ronnie's incredible separations and striations as signs of great conditioning; it is the Ronnie nuthuggers who completely disregard Dorian's hardness as meaningless. Their argument is that, since we can't measure it, it is not valid. The problem of course is that bodybuilding is a subjective and not objective sport, so just looking harder is perfectly valid.

  Read through my posts and you'll see that I have maintained that, at their respective bests, Dorian and Ronnie are equivalent in conditioning: Ronnie is more separated and striated, but Dorian is harder. The reason why the Ronnie nuthuggers want to disregard hardness and focus on separations and striations is because the latter two can be objectively assesed and they favor Ronnie. This would be fine if all the elements of conditioning could be mathematically measured, which they can't. Some can, like separations and striations, but others, like hardness, can't.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[England_1]

  I never disregarded Ronnie's incredible separations and striations as signs of great conditioning; it is the Ronnie nuthuggers who completely disregard Dorian's hardness as meaningless. Their argument is that, since we can't measure it, it is not valid. The problem of course is that bodybuilding is a subjective and not objective sport, so just looking harder is perfectly valid.

  Read through my posts and you'll see that I have maintained that, at their respective bests, Dorian and Ronnie are equivalent in conditioning: Ronnie is more separated and striated, but Dorian is harder. The reason why the Ronnie nuthuggers want to disregard hardness and focus on separations and striations is because the latter two can be objectively assesed and they favor Ronnie. This would be fine if all the lements of conditioning could be mathematically measured, which they can't.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

And don't forget Dorian's advantages in separations and striations as well not limited to, but including, calves, back, abdominals, chest, and triceps. 

[EL Mariachi]

Hey ND i see that your tired of hulkster's stupidity and biased opinion, you want to rapp it up at 1500 pages i see?  Be the smarter man and call it quits, you cant argue a biased moron. In the beginning i also thaught ronnie is better, but after some time, ive chosen the side of dorian, you got some good arguments, and dorian in his prime is untoucable. Ronnie is great too, but he wasnt complete like dorian pre-tear.

[The Ugly]

Now that the war is over, can we expect a parade with streams of ticker and lots of celebratory alley sex?