Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[Shockwave]

Hahaha.
I see more of Dorian owning Ronnie.
Badly.
No weakness' on Dorian.
Ronnie...
Overpowering biceps, underwhelming tri's, fucked up squatty midsection, overpowering quads, underwhelming calves,... sorry, NO calves, side chest delts overpower everything, droopy chest, etc.

[Shockwave]

Tubbs -

Hulkster, I'm not a fan of Ronnie's and Dorian's physiques, even if I own a couple of DVDS from each one, so I do have a totally unbiased opinion. To tell the truth, Dorian is far more impressive in that clip than Ronnie in "The Unbelievable"; minus the biceps, which are simply light years ahead on Coleman, Dorian owns Ronnie on every bodypart. Look at those calves, look at those tris, look how dry yet dense Dorian's muscles are; he's just way more complete than Ronnie ever was. I'm speaking of 1993 of course, after that year Dorian shouldn't have won any Mr O IMO. Ronnie may be the freakiest bodybuilder to ever enter a stage, but Dorian in that particular clip is just amazing.

[Shockwave]

the thing that I really find so stupid is that after 1500 pages of Ronnie 99 dominating dorian to the point where the dorian fans have:

1. avoided all visual evidence as best they can in favor of quotes because reality does not favor them
2. claimed 99 Ronnie shots are fake because they are so much better than dorian 93
3. claimed that dorian has 'special properties' that make him and only him look better in person, but no one else including ronnie..

 

is that now, a pre contest 270 pound bloated dorian video is posted, showing even worse quads, arms, smooth upper back, chest etc. than usual.. (but showing better calves) and ND freaks out as if dorian looks better precontest bloated than he did in contest in 93 where the evidence shows he would lose to 99 Ronnie.

does this make any sense?

hell no:

 

You know, you may have a valid point if you didn't have random other people coming around saying, wow, I like the way Dorian's quads look better than Ronnies... or wow, Dorian sure was waaay better than I gave him credit for..
You just can't handle the fact people have different opinions than yourself... but I don't even know why I try, you're like arguing with a Christian Zealot...
You're just a Ronnie Zealot... blindly following in the face of any oposition, and cannot fathom how anyone can disagree with your "opinion"; trying to tout your opinion as fact, and the more tenacious and ferociously you cling to your opinion, the more people start to doubt your word... and the more they doubt, they louder you protest, creating a vicious circle.
I feel sorry for you.

[pumpster]

No weakness' on Dorian.

Sure, the keg's huge torso looks great with 17" guns.

[pumpster]

You know, you may have a valid point if you didn't have random other people coming around saying, wow, I like the way Dorian's quads look better than Ronnies... or wow, Dorian sure was waaay better than I gave him credit for..
You just can't handle the fact people have different opinions than yourself... but I don't even know why I try, you're like arguing with a Christian Zealot...
You're just a Ronnie Zealot... blindly following in the face of any oposition, and cannot fathom how anyone can disagree with your "opinion"; trying to tout your opinion as fact, and the more tenacious and ferociously you cling to your opinion, the more people start to doubt your word... and the more they doubt, they louder you protest, creating a vicious circle.
I feel sorry for you.

We can clearly see that you on the other hand are completely unbiased.

[England_1]

Sure, the keg's huge torso looks great with 17" guns.

I'm baffled why you keep posting a photo where Yates is murdering Coleman on everything sans biceps. LOL.

[bizzy]

I posted this in another thread but it really belongs here...
I'm glad it's back open...Very cool!

I think the standing relaxed pose says alot about the differences
in their physiques. I believe Shockwave said he liked the tank look.
Dorian has a very powerful, Herculean, look to him. Ronnie has a more tapered,
smaller waist, hips, classical look. They are about equal in mass overall @ their
primes. 93 vs 99. Dorian by many accounts has a harder look to his physique while Ronnie
has more separation and striations. Many have said that Dorian has a thicker bone
structure than Ronnie therefore even at the same weight Ronnie would carry more
muscle. Many say Ronnie in his prime has calves that are out of proportion
with the rest of his body while the other side claims the same for Dorian's arms.
I prefer the 1999 version of Ronnie because I like his V shape better and I
value separation and striations over hardness. I don't think this debate is going
to change very many people's minds but probably a few. I also think the same
mental/emotional traits that brought us to bodybuilding in the 1st place are the same
traits that won't allow this debate to end.

[bizzy]

...

[Andre Nickatina]

RONNIE WINS 

[GoneAway]

how can this debate possibly draw to a conclusion if it comes down to subjective opinion

there has to be a set cirteria and suckmymuscle has provided the best criteria of all, the actual rules of competitive bbing.

based on the cirteria set down by the ifbb (anyone got any better suggestion - stfu Bay) select the competition pics that show the best of each competitor and vote on the winner along with some explanation for your choice.

u must not have read any of my posts then if u think that im judging who wins by 'who looks better in a tanktop' or 'who has the biggest gunzz'. but i fail to accept some decisions that the ifbb have made regarding judging. that's all. it's a no brainer that im gonna use their criteria, but make an olympia won by the persons back? u gotta be kidding me.

[pumpster]

I'm baffled why you keep posting a photo where Yates is murdering Coleman on everything sans biceps. LOL.

Sure, biceps mean nothing, nor does the fact that outside of the side-tri shot Yates has no tris either relative to Coleman, the tris balance the tiny bis in size actually.

[suckmymuscle]

  Bodybuilding judging is partially objective, but there is lots of subjectivity too. As an example, both Jay Cutler and Dexter Jackson have won the ASC, and they have radically different physiques. So how is judging "standardized"?

  There are things that can be evaluated mathematically, such as muscle mass, structure, symmetry, muscular separations, etc. But then, there are other things that are entirely subjective and cannot be evaluated in terms of degrees. Muscle hardness and shape are two examples.

  For instance, adding to the examples of Jay Cutler and Dexter Jackson, both Nasser and Wheeler have won pro shows, and their shapes are completley different. Subjectivity. Another example is vascularity: some judges score it up while others score it down.

  My point is that bodybuilding judging is not a completely mathematical sport like sprinting or swimming, in which the guy who crosses the line in one milisecond faster than the oither wins, or like powerlifting where the guy who benches 1 lbs more than the other wins the competition. It is both objective and subjective.

  Now, judges do evaluate physiques objectively to some degree when they look at bodybuilders to detemine who is bigger, has more separations, better proportions between muscles etc. But this still leaves a lot of room for subjecvity. For instance, Shawn Ray defeated many guys who objectively defeated him in the muscle mass category because the judges subjectively determine that his beautiful lines were more valuable than the objective superiority of his competitors over him in terms of mass.

  In conclusion, there are subjective aspects to bodybuilding and to conditioning. Muscle hardness is one of these. Now, I actually believe that hardness is objective, except that we don't know how to measure it, so it is up to opinion. You can look at Ronnie and consider him harder than Dorian in the same way that I consider Dorian harder than Ronnie, but most people regard Dorian as being harder, including arguably the most seasoned bodybuilding journalist alive, Peter McGough.

  "No bodybuilder has ever been as hard and dry as the man who won six Sandows."

SUCKMYMUSCLE

  Everyone, please read this post of mine to comprehend why conditioning is only partially objective, and why the Coleman nuthuggers focus on the aspects of conditioning that can be quantified because they favor Ronnie.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[nukkaready]

A picture speaks a thousand words....

[Iceman1981]

Hahaha.
I see more of Dorian owning Ronnie.
Badly.
No weakness' on Dorian.
Ronnie...
Overpowering biceps, underwhelming tri's, fucked up squatty midsection, overpowering quads, underwhelming calves,... sorry, NO calves, side chest delts overpower everything, droopy chest, etc.

I don't know what pics you're looking at. I guess your biased eyesight is blocking your vision.

LOL, no weakness on Dorian? I guess you're forgetting yates wide waist, inferior taper, inferior muscle bellies, inferior seperations, inferior striations, not as dry, and not to mention he is smaller. The list goes on and on and he would get dwarfed by Ronnie.

[Shockwave]

I don't know what pics you're looking at. I guess your biased eyesight is blocking your vision.

LOL, no weakness on Dorian? I guess you're forgetting yates wide waist, inferior taper, inferior muscle bellies, inferior seperations, inferior striations, not as dry, and not to mention he is smaller. The list goes on and on and he would get dwarfed by Ronnie.

Not as dry?
Get out.
Ill give you the wide waist.
And he would dwarf Ronnie sans 2003+, where all of his flaws become glaringly obvious.
Sorry, saying hes not as dry and he would get dwarfed destroys any credibility your previous statements had.
He doesn't need to beat Ronnie on taper, he is complete, balanced, bigger, harder, and drier.
Get the fuck out.

[pumpster]

Not as dry?
Get out.
Ill give you the wide waist.
And he would dwarf Ronnie sans 2003+, where all of his flaws become glaringly obvious.
Sorry, saying hes not as dry and he would get dwarfed destroys any credibility your previous statements had.
He doesn't need to beat Ronnie on taper, he is complete, balanced, bigger, harder, and drier.
Get the fuck out.

Uh, who's dwarfing who even in the mid-90s at a lower bodyweight? LOL

[chaos]

Who's the kunt that unlocked this shitty thread?

[RocketSwitch625]

I'm baffled why you keep posting a photo where Yates is murdering Coleman on everything sans biceps. LOL.

Isn't funny how the Coleman bollock-huggers see biceps as the be all and end all of bodybuilding? Funny that.

[pumpster]

Isn't funny how the Coleman bollock-huggers see biceps as the be all and end all of bodybuilding? Funny that.

Funnier still are dweebs who like to pretend bis don't matter, then post double-bi shots of themselves, also with non-existent bis.

[RocketSwitch625]

Funnier still are dweebs who like to pretend bis don't matter, then post double-bi shots of themselves, also with non-existent bis.

Why did you mess with the contrast/brightness of my pic? You must be obsessed with it since you downloaded it and kept it on your hard drive all this time. I've been told that people are downloading pictures of your bowflex and are throwing darts at it. Now, that's total humiliation if ever I saw it. LOL

BTW, everything is perfect here, biceps included:

[Hulkster]

LOL Yates is a fat slob in that pic with not a single cut in sight, and the idiot nuthuggers are claiming he is 'perfect'..
 

of course, this exact type of thing has been going on for over a year now..

its sad

[Hulkster]

Not as dry?
Get out.
Ill give you the wide waist.
And he would dwarf Ronnie sans 2003+, where all of his flaws become glaringly obvious.
Sorry, saying hes not as dry and he would get dwarfed destroys any credibility your previous statements had.
He doesn't need to beat Ronnie on taper, he is complete, balanced, bigger, harder, and drier.
Get the fuck out.

93 dorian and 93 Ronnie are the same weight, and essentially the same height.

except ronnie is more detailed with a better taper, and much more full muscle bellies.

Ronnie has illusion on his side. although neither would dwarf the other, the characteristics of Ronnie's muscles are far more impressive.

a lot of the mass dorian was carrying was in his keg midsection.

Ronnie's was all in the muscles themselves:

[Hulkster]

Isn't funny how the Coleman bollock-huggers see biceps as the be all and end all of bodybuilding? Funny that.

isn't it funny how the dorian bollock huggers see Ronnie 2004 as somehow remotely similar to what he looked like in 1999? funny that.

 

[Shockwave]

Uh, who's dwarfing who even in the mid-90s at a lower bodyweight? LOL

Im baffled as to why im dignifying your response with an answer, but obviously since you pick one shot from 96 that you have reposted this entire thread while ignoring everything else, you're not open to anything but your own opinion.
Anyway,... there is another pic from 96 that shows Dorian and Ronnie standing next to each other, with a third person, and it's from an upper perspective where they're flexing their arms.. needless to say Dorian makes Ronnie look like a child.

[pumpster]

Anyway,... there is another pic from 96 that shows Dorian and Ronnie standing next to each other, with a third person, and it's from an upper perspective where they're flexing their arms.. needless to say Dorian makes Ronnie look like a child.

Childlike retort. The pic shows to the contrary, as opposed to your hearsay.