Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[chaos]

*BUUUUUUuuuuuuuuuUUUUUUuuuuuuuRP*

[Matt C]

Who's the idiot now, fuckface?

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=182096.0

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=182118.0

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=181591.msg2558694#msg2558694

[Matt C]

dorian's chest was more prominent in the front double bi pre injury, but his arms (the focal point of the pose) looked like shit compared to Ronnie.

Another focal point in that pose would be the aesthetics of the lats, i.e., how low they originate and how well they taper and I would give that to Dorian.  But I would imagine Ronnie would be a great deal bigger than Dorian if they did that pose side by side.

[England_1]

Deep down MattC knows Dorian was better 

[England_1]

Dorian is just murdering Coleman here.....chest, abs, midsection (if you look from a side view of Coleman you will see a gut popping out  ), forearms, upper quad separation. Not to mention the LATS! look at how much thicker Yates' are  Coleman's look skinny by comparison. Oh yeah, Yates has better taper due to the wider lats and shoulders 

[Matt C]

Dorian is just murdering Coleman here.....chest, abs, midsection (if you look from a side view of Coleman you will see a gut popping out  ), forearms, upper quad separation. Not to mention the LATS! look at how much thicker Yates' are  Coleman's look skinny by comparison. Oh yeah, Yates has better taper due to the wider lats and shoulders 

I actually think Ronnie beats him in basically all areas in that pose IF he posed properly!!  Which he never really did, at least not compared to Dorian lol.

[GoneAway]

i agree matt.

the front lat is all about lats and chest. ronnie's arms overshadowed his lats (which, possibly werent posed to their fullest, unlike dorian), so there's a double loss there. whereas dorian had huge lats AND small arms. the lats compliment the chest, so it was a double whammy there for doz. even if ronnie did have the better chest, u need the lats to tie it together or u will look small, as in this case.

[NarcissisticDeity]

dorian's chest was more prominent in the front double bi pre injury, but his arms (the focal point of the pose) looked like shit compared to Ronnie.

Wow the arms are the focal point , yes the biceps/triceps and forearms and everything is the focal point you'd know this if you weren't so ignorant on how competitive bodybuilding contests are judged


The comparisons of the compulsory poses cannot be overemphasized
as these comparisons will help the judge to decide
which competitor has the superior physique from the standpoint of
muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density and
definition.


wow they looks for all that even in the front double biceps , opppsss looks like having better biceps doesn't mean you have a better front double biceps shot

[NarcissisticDeity]

nice comparison. I wonder who made it.

Yeah real ' nice ' Dorian's waist is just as narrow as Ronnies 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Dorian is just murdering Coleman here.....chest, abs, midsection (if you look from a side view of Coleman you will see a gut popping out  ), forearms, upper quad separation. Not to mention the LATS! look at how much thicker Yates' are  Coleman's look skinny by comparison. Oh yeah, Yates has better taper due to the wider lats and shoulders 

Dorian murder's Ronnie in the front latspread any year and good thing they only show from the waist up lol Dorian's front latspread is without equal and this proves my point about Dorian being a better poser and have better balance & proportion .

On paper Ronnie should walk away with this pose , he has the advantage in symmetry ( pay attention Neo  ) small waist & hips , smaller joints , better taper yet he does not compete with Dorian in this pose , Dorian is just unstopable in this pose his superior balance & proportion ( Neo write that down the other part of symmetry ) and better latsweep and completeness make this pose a masterpiece


The comparisons of the compulsory poses cannot be overemphasized
as these comparisons will help the judge to decide
which competitor has the superior physique from the standpoint of
muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density and
definition.

[NarcissisticDeity]

The mods locked this thread a few days ago. It has gone on
around 1 1/2 years if I'm correct. It needs to come down to
some kind of exciting ending other than just getting locked up.
What about starting a new thread to end the Truce thread. It
would be a poll of who was better. Give it plenty of time for people
to vote. (Say a month for example.) Maybe a sticky if someone
can arrange it with a Mod.
Something like: "The Poll to end the Truce Thread"
At the end whoever has the most votes wins. If Hulkster or ND could set this up
it would be a much cooler way of ending this than the thread eventually getting locked up.
They've done something similar at MD (where I got the idea) and it is neck and neck right now. 
http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/showthread.php?t=6171

Wow sounds like Hulkster , whoever gets the most votes wins lol see argument ad populum

[NarcissisticDeity]

Another focal point in that pose would be the aesthetics of the lats, i.e., how low they originate and how well they taper and I would give that to Dorian.  But I would imagine Ronnie would be a great deal bigger than Dorian if they did that pose side by side.

269 pounds vs 257 he wouldn't be a great deal bigger lol he wouldn't be bigger at all

[Hulkster]

whereas dorian had huge lats AND small arms

very true. are you reading this ND?

this thread is even dumber than the truce thread.

because the losing dorian side has come full circle:

93 contest pics of dorian can't come close to Ronnie 99 (this was established quite clearly and validated by the reaction from the dorian side that all 99 ronnie shots are so good that they must be 'faked' or 'adjusted' )

now, they are right back to using precontest black and white shots of a bloated dorian that looks down right SMOOTH compared to his already dominated 93 form and they are acting as if they are new or groundbreaking.. )

case in point: the lat spread posted above:

small arms for the frame

no detail or shape to the arms at all

horrible, piss poor quads devoid of shape detail cuts anything.

but thick lats

and ND is orgasming over them as if it is better than super ripped and shapely 99 contest ronnie..

 

makes no fucking sense..

[Hulkster]

notice how dorian 93 is totally dominated by Ronnie 99 in the above side chest comparison.

same holds true for almost EVERY mandatory pose.

cue the excuses and conspiracy theories..

[qiniz]

why, for the love of god WHY ARE YOU GUYS STILL GOIN ON ABOUT THE SHIT???


you guys really are a bunch of partyanimals! WOW

[Hulkster]

Wow sounds like Hulkster , whoever gets the most votes wins lol see argument ad populum

yup, when you consider that all the overwhelming support for ronnie is based on excellent comparison.

just because you pubes (aka England) and sucky don't know what they are doing does NOT mean that the rest of us don't.

arrogant idiots..

[pumpster]

wow they looks for all that even in the front double biceps , opppsss looks like having better biceps doesn't mean you have a better front double biceps shot

Henceforth referred to as "the IGF bloat look with zero upper arm definition". BTW the arms are still too small for the fire hydrant torso.

[GoneAway]

hulkster, proportion is key in making any pose work. while dorians arms were small, they made his lats look bigger. that should count for something in a pose dominated by the lats and chest.

[pumpster]

hulkster, proportion is key in making any pose work. while dorians arms were small, they made his lats look bigger. that should count for something in a pose dominated by the lats and chest.

You point out that proportion is key and that his arms were small then try to make it a positive...

[GoneAway]

You point out that proportion is key and that his arms were small then try to make it a positive...

for the 3rd time... (keep in mind im neutral - refer to my previous posts here).... the lats and chest are the focal point of the front lat spread. even though dorian's arms were small which could seem like a negative, it made the focal point of the pose even greater, thus (imo) helping that pose than if his arms were larger like ronnie's. add to the fact that they both hit the pose differently and it hindered ronnie as far as being a truly powerful pose goes. power often wins of refinement.

[pumpster]

for the 3rd time... (keep in mind im neutral - refer to my previous posts here).... the lats and chest are the focal point of the front lat spread. even though dorian's arms were small which could seem like a negative, it made the focal point of the pose even greater, thus (imo) helping that pose than if his arms were larger like ronnie's. add to the fact that they both hit the pose differently and it hindered ronnie as far as being a truly powerful pose goes. power often wins of refinement.

For the 5th time, no. You're saying is that his shortcomings exaggerate the lats but that's not the goal in BB, it's to have balance.

Here Coleman without those deficiencies looking as good or better than Yates in one of Yates' supposedly "best" shots-his arms being bigger in no way detracts from the torso as you're suggesting.

[Hulkster]

problem is, its a lot more than proportion issues that make dorian's lat spread inferior.

its the lack of cuts, detail and the overwelming smoothness of the pose too:

no matter which year you pick:

[NarcissisticDeity]

very true. are you reading this ND?

this thread is even dumber than the truce thread.

because the losing dorian side has come full circle:

93 contest pics of dorian can't come close to Ronnie 99 (this was established quite clearly and validated by the reaction from the dorian side that all 99 ronnie shots are so good that they must be 'faked' or 'adjusted' )

now, they are right back to using precontest black and white shots of a bloated dorian that looks down right SMOOTH compared to his already dominated 93 form and they are acting as if they are new or groundbreaking.. )

case in point: the lat spread posted above:

small arms for the frame

no detail or shape to the arms at all

horrible, piss poor quads devoid of shape detail cuts anything.

but thick lats

and ND is orgasming over them as if it is better than super ripped and shapely 99 contest ronnie..

 

makes no fucking sense..

Whats funny is the 99 screencaps are adjusted , bizzy admitted to adjusting them , and you continued to post them knowing they were adjusted  and now you've stopped using them for a reason lol

continue with your meltdown 

Dorian untanned sans posing oil and contest light still KILLS your studio shots .

269 pounds would make Ronnie look petite muders him in balance & proportion , density & conditioning

[NarcissisticDeity]

notice how dorian 93 is totally dominated by Ronnie 99 in the above side chest comparison.

same holds true for almost EVERY mandatory pose.

cue the excuses and conspiracy theories..

   Little Ronnie doesn't compare

[NarcissisticDeity]

yup, when you consider that all the overwhelming support for ronnie is based on excellent comparison.

just because you pubes (aka England) and sucky don't know what they are doing does NOT mean that the rest of us don't.

arrogant idiots..

yeah ok go look at the 1993 thread where was the overwhelming support for Ronnie? lol there was none