Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[Hulkster]

Yes based on the visual evidence Ronnie is clearly better........
YOU'VE GOTTA BE FUCKING KIDDING ME , GET YOUR EYES CHECKED STRAIGHT AWAY BEACUSE THERE NOT SEEING STRAIGHT

 

[Iceman1981]

hold on.

you are calling THIS a 'lucky win'?

are you DUMB or just STUPID?

 

honestly ND, when are you going to start using your eyes and brains instead of using simply numbers to evaluate and make judgements on physiques?

 

its getting old and stupid, when real life shows the exact opposite of the conclusions you are drawing simply by looking at scorecards.

 

did it ever occur to you that Flex Wheeler had more hype going into the Mr. O 1998 than just about anyone going into a Mr. O contest?

it tends to inflate scoring with the judges.

history is full of this type of thing.

and its always easy to validate:

Ronnie bigger, harder, dominating:

Flex, the man himself admitting he knew he didn't win:

1998 Mr. Olympia

"JM: When they announced you in second place, what went through your head?"

"FW:You know honestly I knew that I didn't win. I knew I didn't win after the prejudging because I sit down and I talk to everybody that I talk to. Obviously I couldn't show them what they wanted to see."

If you still have doubts, take it up with Flex and he will let you know.^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Hulkster, you're dealing with a couple of morons who are just straight up biased. ND and idiots, posts this shit because of their hate for Ronnie. I can't blame them for hating Ronnie when he owns their hero day in and day out. LOL. Truly pathetic on their part.

[aussiepro]

Flex, the man himself admitting he knew he didn't win:

1998 Mr. Olympia

"JM: When they announced you in second place, what went through your head?"

FW:You know honestly I knew that I didn't win. I knew I didn't win after the prejudging because I sit down and I talk to everybody that I talk to. Obviously I couldn't show them what they wanted to see.

If you still have doubts, take it up with Flex and he will let you know.^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Hulkster, you're dealing with a couple of morons who are just straight up biased. ND and idiots, posts this shit because of their hate for Ronnie. I can't blame them for hating Ronnie when he owns their hero day in and day out. LOL. Truly pathetic on their part.

i dont hate ronnie 1 bit i think he is was a great bber, yes i think he recieved many gifts in his career but i never said i hated him... he looked amazing in 2003 (although he wasn't bone dry)...
But in 98 flex was winning the show after pre judging. not ronnie... for some unknown reason Ronnie ended up winning, but he never should have....

[aussiepro]

THIS IS THE SCORE SHEET FOR THE 98 MR OLYMPIA
Place Name Country 1 2 3 4 Pnts 
1 Ronnie Coleman USA 17 5 5 5 32 
2 Flex Wheeler USA 5 10 10 10 35 
3 Nasser El Sonbaty Yugoslavia 11 16 17 16 60 
4 Kevin Levrone USA 23 21 20 20 84 
5 Shawn Ray USA 18 22 24 25 89 
6 Chris Cormier USA 40 30 30 30 130 
7 Lee Priest Australia 30 35 35  100 
8 Ernie Taylor England 53 40 42  135 
9 Mike Matarazo USA 54 48 52  154 
10 Jean Pierre Fux Switzerland 53 51 53  157 
11 Milos Sarcev Yugoslavia 61 56 61  178 
12 Johnny Moya USA 60 62 62  184 
13 Darrem Charles Trinadad 69 63 61  193 
14 Aaron Baker USA 73 67 56  196 
15 Gunter Schlierkamp Germany 77 73 69  219 
16 Ahmed Haidar Lebanon 84 80 83  247 
17 Claude Groulx Canada 88 82 82  252 
Withdrew Paul Dillett Canada 35     

RONNIE NEVER SHOULD HAVE WON HIS FIRST MR O.. END OF STORY

[Hulkster]

THIS IS THE SCORE SHEET FOR THE 98 MR OLYMPIA
Place Name Country 1 2 3 4 Pnts 
1 Ronnie Coleman USA 17 5 5 5 32 
2 Flex Wheeler USA 5 10 10 10 35 
3 Nasser El Sonbaty Yugoslavia 11 16 17 16 60 
4 Kevin Levrone USA 23 21 20 20 84 
5 Shawn Ray USA 18 22 24 25 89 
6 Chris Cormier USA 40 30 30 30 130 
7 Lee Priest Australia 30 35 35  100 
8 Ernie Taylor England 53 40 42  135 
9 Mike Matarazo USA 54 48 52  154 
10 Jean Pierre Fux Switzerland 53 51 53  157 
11 Milos Sarcev Yugoslavia 61 56 61  178 
12 Johnny Moya USA 60 62 62  184 
13 Darrem Charles Trinadad 69 63 61  193 
14 Aaron Baker USA 73 67 56  196 
15 Gunter Schlierkamp Germany 77 73 69  219 
16 Ahmed Haidar Lebanon 84 80 83  247 
17 Claude Groulx Canada 88 82 82  252 
Withdrew Paul Dillett Canada 35     

RONNIE NEVER SHOULD HAVE WON HIS FIRST MR O.. END OF STORY

wow. until now I thought only ND was stupid enough to base opinions of contests solely on numbers on a scoresheet.

guess I was wrong.

[Hulkster]

Hulkster, you're dealing with a couple of morons who are just straight up biased. ND and idiots, posts this shit because of their hate for Ronnie. I can't blame them for hating Ronnie when he owns their hero day in and day out. LOL. Truly pathetic on their part.

agreed.

hell, even the other getbiggers are posting threads with dorian getting owned by paul and nasser (at least from the front).

LOL

can you say OVERRATED?

I can.

[aussiepro]

someone needs to tell ronnie how to pose i cant find his chest in that shot, its called a side chest not a side shoulder...
Flex shits on ronnie in that photo and he is poses properly

[Shockwave]

Not short enough to be a politician, and yes you're being watched.

I should have figured as much.
Maybe you should be chasing an ambulance?

[Matt C]

Let's see Dorian beat Ronnie in this pose:



ND seems to think that because Dorian's back is dryer that he beats Ronnie.  Yes, Dorian has SOME strengths over Ronnie (no one is denying that), but certainly not enough to take down the champ.

[Shockwave]

Let's see Dorian beat Ronnie in this pose:



ND seems to think that because Dorian's back is dryer that he beats Ronnie.  Yes, Dorian has SOME strengths over Ronnie (no one is denying that), but certainly not enough to take down the champ.

But what you're forgetting matt... Dorian isnt trying to take down Ronnie.. Ronnie would be trying to take down Dorian....

[Matt C]

But what you're forgetting matt... Dorian isnt trying to take down Ronnie.. Ronnie would be trying to take down Dorian....

ok ok, I'm calling for a truce!!!

http://forum.bodybuildingpro.com/showthread.php?t=3363

[420 Diesel]

2003 ronnie takes yates any year.

that's not to say that yates wasn't amazing, though. rather, until ronnie coleman hit his prime, no one had equaled the combination of size and symmetry that dorian displayed.  Nasser achieved the size, and was, in my opinion, superior from the front, but dorian's physique was more complete overall. Ray, Levrone, wheeler, labrada - all had amazing physiques and in an ideal world could have amassed a few olympia's collectively - but yates reinvented the game by pushing the limits in a different way.

with that said, ronnie coleman in 2003 was substantially larger than dorian ever was.  if you argue that dorian wins because of conditioning, chances are you aren't considering the fact that he was never completely outmassed on a bodybuilding stage.  that's not to downplay dorian's conditioning - he was probably drier onstage than ronnie ever was.  however, ronnie has far superior muscular shape.  he also has superior seperation, vascularity and striations.  the result is that even if yates was slightly drier, he could never have the shape, sweep and lines of ronnie's physique.

so, though i don't like the look of dorian's physique, i can understand why he dominated his era.  but the dorian side needs to realize that ronnie has over dorian what dorian had over the other top pros of his day. 

[aussiepro]

2003 ronnie takes yates any year.

that's not to say that yates wasn't amazing, though. rather, until ronnie coleman hit his prime, no one had equaled the combination of size and symmetry that dorian displayed.  Nasser achieved the size, and was, in my opinion, superior from the front, but dorian's physique was more complete overall. Ray, Levrone, wheeler, labrada - all had amazing physiques and in an ideal world could have amassed a few olympia's collectively - but yates reinvented the game by pushing the limits in a different way.

with that said, ronnie coleman in 2003 was substantially larger than dorian ever was.  if you argue that dorian wins because of conditioning, chances are you aren't considering the fact that he was never completely outmassed on a bodybuilding stage.  that's not to downplay dorian's conditioning - he was probably drier onstage than ronnie ever was.  however, ronnie has far superior muscular shape.  he also has superior seperation, vascularity and striations.  the result is that even if yates was slightly drier, he could never have the shape, sweep and lines of ronnie's physique.

so, though i don't like the look of dorian's physique, i can understand why he dominated his era.  but the dorian side needs to realize that ronnie has over dorian what dorian had over the other top pros of his day. 

That the dumbest thing i have ever read... ronnie was great in 2003 but no dorian...sorry dorian wins

[NeoSeminole]

2003 ronnie takes yates any year.

that's not to say that yates wasn't amazing, though. rather, until ronnie coleman hit his prime, no one had equaled the combination of size and symmetry that dorian displayed.  Nasser achieved the size, and was, in my opinion, superior from the front, but dorian's physique was more complete overall. Ray, Levrone, wheeler, labrada - all had amazing physiques and in an ideal world could have amassed a few olympia's collectively - but yates reinvented the game by pushing the limits in a different way.

with that said, ronnie coleman in 2003 was substantially larger than dorian ever was.  if you argue that dorian wins because of conditioning, chances are you aren't considering the fact that he was never completely outmassed on a bodybuilding stage.  that's not to downplay dorian's conditioning - he was probably drier onstage than ronnie ever was.  however, ronnie has far superior muscular shape.  he also has superior seperation, vascularity and striations.  the result is that even if yates was slightly drier, he could never have the shape, sweep and lines of ronnie's physique.

so, though i don't like the look of dorian's physique, i can understand why he dominated his era.  but the dorian side needs to realize that ronnie has over dorian what dorian had over the other top pros of his day.

excellent post.

[NeoSeminole]

That the dumbest thing i have ever read... ronnie was great in 2003 but no dorian...sorry dorian wins

your response is the dumbest thing I ever read. At least 420 Diesel provided an explanation for why he feels Ronnie would beat Dorian. All you did was disagree with him and pass off your opinion as fact.

[pumpster]

your response is the dumbest thing I ever read. At least 420 Diesel provided an explanation for why he feels Ronnie would beat Dorian. All you did was disagree with him and pass off your opinion as fact.

That's a given by now.. It's all damn filler.

Pics are worth a thousand of these platitudes.

[NarcissisticDeity]

2003 ronnie takes yates any year.

that's not to say that yates wasn't amazing, though. rather, until ronnie coleman hit his prime, no one had equaled the combination of size and symmetry that dorian displayed.  Nasser achieved the size, and was, in my opinion, superior from the front, but dorian's physique was more complete overall. Ray, Levrone, wheeler, labrada - all had amazing physiques and in an ideal world could have amassed a few olympia's collectively - but yates reinvented the game by pushing the limits in a different way.

with that said, ronnie coleman in 2003 was substantially larger than dorian ever was.  if you argue that dorian wins because of conditioning, chances are you aren't considering the fact that he was never completely outmassed on a bodybuilding stage.  that's not to downplay dorian's conditioning - he was probably drier onstage than ronnie ever was.  however, ronnie has far superior muscular shape.  he also has superior seperation, vascularity and striations.  the result is that even if yates was slightly drier, he could never have the shape, sweep and lines of ronnie's physique.

so, though i don't like the look of dorian's physique, i can understand why he dominated his era.  but the dorian side needs to realize that ronnie has over dorian what dorian had over the other top pros of his day. 

Ronnie 2003 was substantially larger than Yates? Dorian at his best was 269 pounds and Ronnie was 287 thats a difference of 18 pounds , sounds like a advantage until you get to conditioning & density , Dorian at 269 pounds is bone dry & rock hard , Ronnie's conditioning at 287 pounds is NOT bone dry & rock hard , he's much softer than his own personal conditioning high water mark the 1998 Olympia and 2001 Arnold Classic both years his conditioning was " spot in "

Dorian has faced many a larger competitor , Nasser was 285 pounds at the same height as Ronnie , Fux 285 pounds at 5'11" Ferrigno 318 pounds , Ian Harrison 280 pounds and this at the time Yates was weighing no more than 260 pounds

You claim Ronnie would win due to superior shape , 2003 his shape sucked in my opinion and Ronnie does have an advantage in shape in SOME muscles not all the shape of his abdominals , forearms , calves , glutes , all leave a lot to be desired , Dorian easily beat Flex Wheeler a man who's natural shape shames Coleman's , Dorian was never the prettiest body thats not why he won , he never had to look like Flex to beat Flex

Separations and Striations and vascularity , Ronnie ( like shape ) had advantage in separations in some areas NOT all thats just a blanket statement , same with striations Dorian has striated , pecs , delts , triceps , glutes , intercostals , obliques , erector spinae , lower lats , its not like he's Jay Cutler 2007 if that was the case you'd have something to work with maybe , but thats not the case , and vascularity isn't worth mentioning it really isn't

Now Dorian would beat Ronnie 2003 because he has better conditioning & density , meaning he's bone dry & rock hard this among almost anything always defines the winner & lose of a contest , Ronnie perhaps matched Dorian for this conditioning in 2001/1998 an 2003 isn't close to those years not by a long shot , there is enough of a difference to make this a clear advantage for Dorian

Balance & proportion , 2003 Ronnie's is at its all-time worse this is common knowledge another clear advantage to Dorian couple that with the fact he's more complete too

Posing - another clear advantage for Yates , he knows how to pose , he's technically a better pose , look neither are Lee Labrada but in terms of effectively hitting the mandatory poses Dorian has an advantage

Ronnie does have a ' size advantage ' 18 pounds to be exact and is it 18 extra pounds of quality conditioned dense mass? NO the mass actually serves as a detriment to his balance & proportion and conditioning so any size advantage becomes moot

Dorian at 269 pounds is bone dry & rock hard , has better balance & proportion , has no weaknesses is more complete and is a better poser , thats to many strengths for Ronnie and 18 extra pounds to overcome .

[RocketSwitch625]

Ronnie 2003 was substantially larger than Yates? Dorian at his best was 269 pounds and Ronnie was 287 thats a difference of 18 pounds , sounds like a advantage until you get to conditioning & density , Dorian at 269 pounds is bone dry & rock hard , Ronnie's conditioning at 287 pounds is NOT bone dry & rock hard , he's much softer than his own personal conditioning high water mark the 1998 Olympia and 2001 Arnold Classic both years his conditioning was " spot in "

Dorian has faced many a larger competitor , Nasser was 285 pounds at the same height as Ronnie , Fux 285 pounds at 5'11" Ferrigno 318 pounds , Ian Harrison 280 pounds and this at the time Yates was weighing no more than 260 pounds

You claim Ronnie would win due to superior shape , 2003 his shape sucked in my opinion and Ronnie does have an advantage in shape in SOME muscles not all the shape of his abdominals , forearms , calves , glutes , all leave a lot to be desired , Dorian easily beat Flex Wheeler a man who's natural shape shames Coleman's , Dorian was never the prettiest body thats not why he won , he never had to look like Flex to beat Flex

Separations and Striations and vascularity , Ronnie ( like shape ) had advantage in separations in some areas NOT all thats just a blanket statement , same with striations Dorian has striated , pecs , delts , triceps , glutes , intercostals , obliques , erector spinae , lower lats , its not like he's Jay Cutler 2007 if that was the case you'd have something to work with maybe , but thats not the case , and vascularity isn't worth mentioning it really isn't

Now Dorian would beat Ronnie 2003 because he has better conditioning & density , meaning he's bone dry & rock hard this among almost anything always defines the winner & lose of a contest , Ronnie perhaps matched Dorian for this conditioning in 2001/1998 an 2003 isn't close to those years not by a long shot , there is enough of a difference to make this a clear advantage for Dorian

Balance & proportion , 2003 Ronnie's is at its all-time worse this is common knowledge another clear advantage to Dorian couple that with the fact he's more complete too

Posing - another clear advantage for Yates , he knows how to pose , he's technically a better pose , look neither are Lee Labrada but in terms of effectively hitting the mandatory poses Dorian has an advantage

Ronnie does have a ' size advantage ' 18 pounds to be exact and is it 18 extra pounds of quality conditioned dense mass? NO the mass actually serves as a detriment to his balance & proportion and conditioning so any size advantage becomes moot

Dorian at 269 pounds is bone dry & rock hard , has better balance & proportion , has no weaknesses is more complete and is a better poser , thats to many strengths for Ronnie and 18 extra pounds to overcome .

Best post yet. You've just put everything into perspective. Well done.

Now Sulky & Farty can go back to the morgue and bury themselves.

[NeoSeminole]

Ronnie 2003 was substantially larger than Yates? Dorian at his best was 269 pounds and Ronnie was 287 thats a difference of 18 pounds , sounds like a advantage until you get to conditioning & density , Dorian at 269 pounds is bone dry & rock hard , Ronnie's conditioning at 287 pounds is NOT bone dry & rock hard , he's much softer than his own personal conditioning high water mark the 1998 Olympia and 2001 Arnold Classic both years his conditioning was " spot in "

how does conditioning affect Ronnie's size advantage? You claim he wasn't as bone dry and rock hard as Dorian. Muscle tissue is denser (i.e. takes up less space) than water or fat, which means Ronnie's 20 lbs extra mass would make him look even bigger than if he carried 20 lbs extra of pure muscle tissue. If anything, 03 Ronnie would make Dorian look small.

Dorian has faced many a larger competitor , Nasser was 285 pounds at the same height as Ronnie , Fux 285 pounds at 5'11" Ferrigno 318 pounds , Ian Harrison 280 pounds and this at the time Yates was weighing no more than 260 pounds

all those bodybuilders you mentioned had 1 or more obvious weaknesses. For example, Nasser could never dial in his back conditioning. You can't isolate their strengths and claim they don't matter on the basis that each of them lost to Dorian. It would be like me saying "conditioning must not be important then b/c Andreas Munzer never won an IFBB contest."

You claim Ronnie would win due to superior shape , 2003 his shape sucked in my opinion and Ronnie does have an advantage in shape in SOME muscles not all the shape of his abdominals , forearms , calves , glutes , all leave a lot to be desired , Dorian easily beat Flex Wheeler a man who's natural shape shames Coleman's , Dorian was never the prettiest body thats not why he won , he never had to look like Flex to beat Flex

see above.

Separations and Striations and vascularity , Ronnie ( like shape ) had advantage in separations in some areas NOT all thats just a blanket statement , same with striations Dorian has striated , pecs , delts , triceps , glutes , intercostals , obliques , erector spinae , lower lats , its not like he's Jay Cutler 2007 if that was the case you'd have something to work with maybe , but thats not the case , and vascularity isn't worth mentioning it really isn't

Ronnie in 03 had better separations and striations overall than a 269 lbs pre-contest Dorian. It's laughable that you think it's even close.

Balance & proportion , 2003 Ronnie's is at its all-time worse this is common knowledge another clear advantage to Dorian couple that with the fact he's more complete too

I agree that Dorian in those black-and-white pics beats 03 Ronnie in balance and proportion.

Posing - another clear advantage for Yates , he knows how to pose , he's technically a better pose , look neither are Lee Labrada but in terms of effectively hitting the mandatory poses Dorian has an advantage

if both physiques were the same, then I could see why Dorian would have the advantage in posing. However, they are NOT the same. Ronnie's bigger and freakier physique would make up for his inability to display his body to its fullest.

[RocketSwitch625]

Coleman likes shopping at Guts 'R' Us. LOL

[NarcissisticDeity]

how does conditioning affect Ronnie's size advantage? You claim he wasn't as bone dry and rock hard as Dorian. Muscle tissue is denser (i.e. takes up less space) than water or fat, which means Ronnie's 20 lbs extra mass would make him look even bigger than if he carried 20 lbs extra of pure muscle tissue. If anything, 03 Ronnie would make Dorian look small.

all those bodybuilders you mentioned had 1 or more obvious weaknesses. For example, Nasser could never dial in his back conditioning. You can't isolate their strengths and claim they don't matter on the basis that each of them lost to Dorian. It would be like me saying "conditioning must not be important then b/c Andreas Munzer never won an IFBB contest."

see above.

Ronnie in 03 had better separations and striations overall than a 269 lbs pre-contest Dorian. It's laughable that you think it's even close.



I agree that Dorian in those black-and-white pics beats 03 Ronnie in balance and proportion.

if both physiques were the same, then I could see why Dorian would have the advantage in posing. However, they are NOT the same. Ronnie's bigger and freakier physique would make up for his inability to display his body to its fullest.

how does conditioning affect Ronnie's size advantage? You claim he wasn't as bone dry and rock hard as Dorian. Muscle tissue is denser (i.e. takes up less space) than water or fat, which means Ronnie's 20 lbs extra mass would make him look even bigger than if he carried 20 lbs extra of pure muscle tissue. If anything, 03 Ronnie would make Dorian look small.

How does it affect his size advantage? well you'd be working with something if it was all dense quality conditioned size which the judges like , he would be bigger sure big deal thats not an advantage in the judges eyes unless its combined with density I mean are you serious? lol when judges look for muscular bulk they like it to be conditioned and again please read these quotes in regard to Ronnie making a 269 pound Dorian look small

I.F.B.B. judge Roger Schwab

Man-mountain Dorian Yates was certainly the top gun in the 1993 Mr Olympia shootout. He was much bigger , better and harder than ever , and while his is never the prettiest physique on stage , he's assuredly the most God-awful muscular superman this sport has yet seen. Though Yates was lighter than Lou Ferrigno or Paul Dillett , he appeared to be the biggest man on stage-by far- and the hardest , dominating from beginning to end and every step in between.


points to ponder this is coming from a IFBB judge

Shawn Ray


From where I sat, in certain poses you would never know Dexter was giving up 70lbs to Ronnie

more points to ponder : an even bigger Ronnie wouldn't dwarf a 225 pound Dexter , he's most certainly NOT going to make a 269 pound Dorian look ' small '

Ronnie Coleman Flex Feb 2004

As for his 40-pound bodyweight increase over 2002, much of which was in his legs, Coleman explains, "Eight-hundred-pound squats, 2,500-pound leg presses and 900-pound hack squats helped.

More evidence that Ronnie wouldn't make a 269 pound Dorian look small , most of the weight in 2003 was in his quads !

all those bodybuilders you mentioned had 1 or more obvious weaknesses. For example, Nasser could never dial in his back conditioning. You can't isolate their strengths and claim they don't matter on the basis that each of them lost to Dorian. It would be like me saying "conditioning must not be important then b/c Andreas Munzer never won an IFBB contest."

No the point stands the original point he made was Dorian was never out muscled on stage and I proved my point he faced many a bigger man as well as smaller , again Dorian dominated because he was the biggest , best balanced , densest , driest guy onstage

Ronnie in 03 had better separations and striations overall than a 269 lbs pre-contest Dorian. It's laughable that you think it's even close.

One single shot doesn't prove a damn thing  and still more points for you Neo to ponder , Yates is untanned , has no posing oil , has no contest lighting and you're comparing it to a SINGLE shot of a contest ready Ronnie , your point isn't proven its a pathetic attempt that lacked any effort what so ever , and Dorian has striations and great separations please follow

Dorian has striations in his pecs , delts , triceps , glutes , obliques , intercostals , erector spinae , lower lats you think because Ronnie MAY have more he's better? lol see bone dry & rock hard thats what the judges look for its why Ronnie's highwater mark for conditioning is 1998 or 2001 and NOT 2003

Separations - same thing does Ronnie have some advantages in separation? yes so does Dorian gastrocnemious inner & outer heads , soleus , erector spinae , lower lats , traps , abdominals , serattus , intercostals , Ronnie does have advantages but stop acting like Dorian does have any and see conditioning

I agree that Dorian in those black-and-white pics beats 03 Ronnie in balance and proportion.

well you really can't deny it he beats Ronnie ( at his best ) any year

if both physiques were the same, then I could see why Dorian would have the advantage in posing. However, they are NOT the same. Ronnie's bigger and freakier physique would make up for his inability to display his body to its fullest.

man you just make excuses at every turn lol no it doesn't work there and please keep in mind ALL ROUNDS are PHYSIQUE ROUNDS including the posing rounds , Dorian was never a classic poser in the sense of Makkawy or Labrada yet he always won the posing rounds ever wonder why? he was never the most symmetrical in the context of naturally small waist & hips , small joints yet he never once lost a symmetry round, ever wonder why? because ALL ROUNDS are PHYSIQUE ROUNDS , and purely from a technical standpoint Dorian is a better poser because he can effectively hit his mandatories , Ronnie despite his advantages in ' symmetry ' can't beat Yates in the front latspread , same with the ab-thigh shot , when everything in taken in Dorian meets the criteria better than Ronnie and thats exactly why he would win

Dorian would beat Ronnie 2003 ( any year ) because he's 269 pounds bone dry & rock hard , has better balance and proportion and is more complete and a better technical poser its that simple .

[NarcissisticDeity]

Best post yet. You've just put everything into perspective. Well done.

Now Sulky & Farty can go back to the morgue and bury themselves.

Thank you ! 

[NeoSeminole]

Coleman likes shopping at Guts 'R' Us. LOL

can you guess which one is the real Dorian?

[pumpster]

Coleman likes shopping at Guts 'R' Us. LOL

Consider the source, someone sporting an H-taper LOL

[NeoSeminole]

How does it affect his size advantage? well you'd be working with something if it was all dense quality conditioned size which the judges like , he would be bigger sure big deal thats not an advantage in the judges eyes unless its combined with density I mean are you serious? lol when judges look for muscular bulk they like it to be conditioned and again please read these quotes in regard to Ronnie making a 269 pound Dorian look small

I.F.B.B. judge Roger Schwab

Man-mountain Dorian Yates was certainly the top gun in the 1993 Mr Olympia shootout. He was much bigger , better and harder than ever , and while his is never the prettiest physique on stage , he's assuredly the most God-awful muscular superman this sport has yet seen. Though Yates was lighter than Lou Ferrigno or Paul Dillett , he appeared to be the biggest man on stage-by far- and the hardest , dominating from beginning to end and every step in between.

yawn, too bad pics disprove everything you say.

Shawn Ray

From where I sat, in certain poses you would never know Dexter was giving up 70lbs to Ronnie

more points to ponder : an even bigger Ronnie wouldn't dwarf a 225 pound Dexter , he's most certainly NOT going to make a 269 pound Dorian look ' small '

more points to ponder from the same guy.

Shawn Ray – 2003 Year in Review (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)

"Ridiculous" Ronnie Coleman would win his 6th Sandow Trophy in a row looking absolutely ridiculous! This guy was from another planet! Ronnie added about a million pounds of muscle from the previous year and squashed the competition on sheer MASS! Unbelievable is what Ronnie was this night!"

One single shot doesn't prove a damn thing and still more points for you Neo to ponder , Yates is untanned , has no posing oil , has no contest lighting and you're comparing it to a SINGLE shot of a contest ready Ronnie , your point isn't proven its a pathetic attempt that lacked any effort what so ever , and Dorian has striations and great separations please follow

blah blah, more excuses. Tanning oil and stage lighting has a way of making bodybuilders look softer and watery. I think most people would agree that bodybuilders look most impressive in the gym a couple of weeks pre-contest.