Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NarcissisticDeity]

no its not its loose skin, ther erector group is visible there and run superiormedial to the spine, they have nothign to due with the sking on the lateralinferior portion below the lats origin. nice try moron.

nice try on the quote too, lol. your delusion is amusing as hell

My ass if he had ANY loose skin what so ever it would obscure and blur this shot its IMPOSSIBLE for loose skin to tighten up and show such clear definition from one shot to the next , these guys tried this straw a long time ago and they could never get past the fact that if he had any loose skin this pose would NEVER look like this

Again where is the loose hanging skin?

and aren't you the same guy who claimed Ronnie is bigger at 245 pounds than Dorian at 269 pounds? lol and did you just type delusional ?

[England_1]

Hulkster, do you think you know more than McGough and Horton?

[Necrosis]

My ass if he had ANY loose skin what so ever it would obscure and blur this shot its IMPOSSIBLE for loose skin to tighten up and show such clear definition from one shot to the next , these guys tried this straw a long time ago and they could never get past the fact that if he had any loose skin this pose would NEVER look like this

Again where is the loose hanging skin?

and aren't you the same guy who claimed Ronnie is bigger at 245 pounds than Dorian at 269 pounds? lol and did you just type delusional ?

first off, your reading comprehension fails you. THATS NOT THE POSE YOU FUCKING MORON. jesus, i honestly dont knwo whats wrong with you.

do i really need to go get jay cutler pics to show you how others have the same thing. and if others have the same issue in the two different poses doesnt that prove my point. it would, beyond a fucking doubt. if you deny this you are ignorant and have no idea how to form an argument. a quote saying dorian never had a torn bicep does when the pictures show otherwise contradicts the statement, surely you can appreciate this.

[Iceman1981]

LMFAO loose skin thats muscle kid thats his erector spinae learn anatomy

Sure it is 

[NarcissisticDeity]

first off its one person's opinion, why does it matter. there are quotes that are pro ronnie saying the opposite, saying he was the best ever etc...

so if you where not such a pseudointellect you could understand that at best quotes are a wash since both sides are supported. please back up your statements with pictures of both at said contests, and lets see who appears more conditioned. oh thats right, you wont because dorian gets fucking pwnd everytime. your stupidity and ignorance are shocking to me. if you prefer dorian that is fine, but to argue it in the face of overwhelming evidence that this was not the case is just your bias controlling you.

meltdown 

Ronnie is the best ever he won more Olympia titles than everyone plus he has more pro wins that has NOTHING to do with if Dorian could beat him and quotes aren't a ' wash ' you'd like to think they but not by a long shot

quotes clearly prove my point at his best Dorian has better conditioning & density , better balance & proportion specific to the debate , the quotes favor Yates heavily now couple that with the rest of the criteria , muscular size and posing and you have Dorian Yates winning

and again the pictures aren't accurate thats why contests are judged live and in person and not via pictures , and the pictures don't show Dorian getting owned thats your ignorance & preference speaking , they show Dorian meeting the criteria better than Ronnie and I have backed up my claims concerning this what have you done? make blanket statements lol thats not how it's done kid , there are rules and Dorian meets those rules better than Ronnie .

I love when you and Hulkster type ' overwhelming evidence ' yet neither of you can post a single quote specific to the argument that supports your claim , pictures and your ignorant biased opinions don't constitute ' evidence ' never mind overwhelming evidence .

[NarcissisticDeity]

Sure it is 

Again you've proven nothing loose skin doesn't tighten up in the same area thats nonsense , you can never counter those x-mass tree shots.

[England_1]

Hulkster, does posing count at all?

[pumpster]

first off, your reading comprehension fails you. THATS NOT THE POSE YOU FUCKING MORON. jesus, i honestly dont knwo whats wrong with you.

hahahahaha let's start with ADD and anger-management issues.

[NarcissisticDeity]

first off, your reading comprehension fails you. THATS NOT THE POSE YOU FUCKING MORON. jesus, i honestly dont knwo whats wrong with you.

do i really need to go get jay cutler pics to show you how others have the same thing. and if others have the same issue in the two different poses doesnt that prove my point. it would, beyond a fucking doubt. if you deny this you are ignorant and have no idea how to form an argument. a quote saying dorian never had a torn bicep does when the pictures show otherwise contradicts the statement, surely you can appreciate this.

Man you're starting to come unclued lol take a few deep breathes , walk around it's just a message board lol

again the point stands if he had ANY loose hanging skin it would be very apparent in a pose that highlights detail and wow-wee NO loose hanging skin , how can this be? you people are grasping at straws and contiue to do so.

NO loose skin here kid , same area of the erector spinae and lower lats , just shredded detail

[NarcissisticDeity]

hahahahaha let's start with ADD and anger-management issues.

Right here is anger management lol and meltdown and the irony of you typing that in a response to someone typing in caps and melting down lol

[Necrosis]

meltdown 

Ronnie is the best ever he won more Olympia titles than everyone plus he has more pro wins that has NOTHING to do with if Dorian could beat him and quotes aren't a ' wash ' you'd like to think they but not by a long shot

quotes clearly prove my point at his best Dorian has better conditioning & density , better balance & proportion specific to the debate , the quotes favor Yates heavily now couple that with the rest of the criteria , muscular size and posing and you have Dorian Yates winning

and again the pictures aren't accurate thats why contests are judged live and in person and not via pictures , and the pictures don't show Dorian getting owned thats your ignorance & preference speaking , they show Dorian meeting the criteria better than Ronnie and I have backed up my claims concerning this what have you done? make blanket statements lol thats not how it's done kid , there are rules and Dorian meets those rules better than Ronnie .

I love when you and Hulkster type ' overwhelming evidence ' yet neither of you can post a single quote specific to the argument that supports your claim , pictures and your ignorant biased opinions don't constitute ' evidence ' never mind overwhelming evidence .

the quotes dont favor either, there are many quotes saying ronnie is the biggest, most conditioned bodybuilder ever. whats your point.

i also like how you avoid my question and deflect the argument. there are no blanket statements. dorian does not meet the rules better, only in your eyes.

please stay on topic, and stop jumping around trying to confuse the argument, you did this last time we argued, because you couldnt keep up. if you want i can ease up on you.


does a jay cutler pic where he has loose skin  in the lat spread but not in the christmas tree prove my point. i cant wait to see how you squirm out of this one.lol.

[England_1]

Hey look, Coleman has loose skin on his abdomen 

[Necrosis]

Man you're starting to come unclued lol take a few deep breathes , walk around it's just a message board lol

again the point stands if he had ANY loose hanging skin it would be very apparent in a pose that highlights detail and wow-wee NO loose hanging skin , how can this be? you people are grasping at straws and contiue to do so.

NO loose skin here kid , same area of the erector spinae and lower lats , just shredded detail

i only get mad with stupid people, so that should give a clue. why do you still post a pic of dorian in a different pose to prove your point about another pose? thats like me posting a pic of ronnie is a side chest showing no striations but showing them in a MM, they are different poses. you also dont know your anatomy, and i do so i would suggest you stop with the anatomy non sense. since ive already prove you wrong.

the lats originate firn t6-t12, the thoraco lumbar fascia and ilia crest and inferior ribs 3-4 etc and insert on to the proximal humerus or the bicipital groove, the skin in that area of the lat spread is loose skin, please tell me in anatomical terms how this area is the lats, and how this superficial muscle can create this effect?

[Necrosis]

Hey look, Coleman has loose skin on his abdomen 

both do, this is correct, i wouldnt argue otherwise, but its loose because of his hands. in another pose it might not be loose. if i posted a side tri shot of him with no loose skin as proof that loose skin doesnt exist i would be what most consider to be a MORON. you make your conclusion

[Iceman1981]

LMFAO loose skin thats muscle kid thats his erector spinae learn anatomy

LOL, if you think that's the erector spinae then pigs can fly.

So why is the loose skin hanging? You still haven't answered this question. Different bodyparts/muscles look different in every pose. Ronnie's lower back is not as tight as yates lower back in the back double bi, but Ronnie's lower back is clearly tighter than yates lower back in the rear latspread. Why can't you deal with reality? By the way, all you do is pose that stupid crunch pose when this subject is being discussed and it still doesn't prove your point. Try and stick to the topic, "Rear Latspread".

Here is yates from 93, 94, 95

[pumpster]

Hulkster, do you think you know more than McGough and Horton?

Ask a stupid question...

[Iceman1981]

why do you still post a pic of dorian in a different pose to prove your point about another pose?

Actually, that's all he's been doing since this issue was brought up. All we ask is for an answer. He just beats around the bush and avoids answering the question directly. It's a simple yes or no answer. Not that hard.

[pumpster]

Right here is anger management lol and meltdown and the irony of you typing that in a response to someone typing in caps and melting down lol

Only a friggin IDIOT would keep posting that crap that no one can read over and over again bwahahahahahahaa

[pumpster]

Hey look, Coleman has loose skin on his abdomen 

Nice pic reminding us how tiny Haney's arms were in relation to torso LOL

[NarcissisticDeity]

the quotes dont favor either, there are many quotes saying ronnie is the biggest, most conditioned bodybuilder ever. whats your point.

i also like how you avoid my question and deflect the argument. there are no blanket statements. dorian does not meet the rules better, only in your eyes.

please stay on topic, and stop jumping around trying to confuse the argument, you did this last time we argued, because you couldnt keep up. if you want i can ease up on you.


does a jay cutler pic where he has loose skin  in the lat spread but not in the christmas tree prove my point. i cant wait to see how you squirm out of this one.lol.

the quotes dont favor either, there are many quotes saying ronnie is the biggest, most conditioned bodybuilder ever. whats your point.

Wrong ! I have quote specific to this argument that say Ronnie was NEVER as dry or as hard as Dorian that  clearly favors Dorian . and NO there is ONE quote from Flex Wheeler saying Ronnie is the biggest most conditioned bodybuilder ever and his opinion leaves a lot to be desired , just see his critique of the 2007 Mr Olympia where he had Ronnie Coleman winning the whole show after pre-judging lol his opinion is lacking , I've yet to see a single quote that says Ronnie is drier & harder than Dorian ever was lol for a reason , again I have quote from and IFBB judge raving about Dorian's balance & proportion and other that converge on the same point , yet these quote's raving about Ronnie's balance & proportion much like the ones on his conditioning are M.I.A. things that make you go Hmmmmmmmmm

i also like how you avoid my question and deflect the argument. there are no blanket statements. dorian does not meet the rules better, only in your eyes.

I've NEVER once ran from anyone's opinion not your , Hulksters or any other person on this thread , I have all the answers  and Oh I disagree I think Dorian clearly meets the rules better than Ronnie , I already proved my point about his balance & proportion using quotes , pictures and my lengthy explanation why , the same with conditioning & density , once again supplemented by reputable sources specific to the two , what is left? muscular size , well that's easy to prove pick a year , 1998? Dorian is 269 pounds thats more muscular size than Ronnie's 249 pounds , same as 1999 and his 257 pounds , same with 2001's 245 pounds , oh lets not forget posing , neither are Lee Labrada but Dorian does effectively pose better than Ronnie and his more complete , so again I beg to differ Dorian does meet the criteria better than Ronnie

please stay on topic, and stop jumping around trying to confuse the argument, you did this last time we argued, because you couldnt keep up. if you want i can ease up on you.

It's not my fault you confuse easily , let me know what you need explained and I'll teach you 

does a jay cutler pic where he has loose skin  in the lat spread but not in the christmas tree prove my point. i cant wait to see how you squirm out of this one.lol.

Has NOTHING to do with Yates , Jay doesn't have a x-mass tree first of all and you can find quotes talking about the loose skin on Jay's back NEVER once for Yates , big difference . Dorian's lower lats & lower back are outstanding again any loose hanging skin wouldn't be razor sharp in a pose designed to showcase tight as a drum detail , NONSENSE his back is loose hanging skin thats pure dense muscle and nothing more , Dorian is noted for his legendary conditioning and you geniuses figured out it was all a lie at home on your computers lol I mean get serious

[pumpster]

i only get mad with stupid people, so that should give a clue. why do you still post a pic of dorian in a different pose to prove your point about another pose? thats like me posting a pic of ronnie is a side chest showing no striations but showing them in a MM, they are different poses. you also dont know your anatomy, and i do so i would suggest you stop with the anatomy non sense. since ive already prove you wrong.

Do NOT expect him to figure it out, he hasn't so far LOL

As far as consistency re: pics, would you really expect that when the conclusion is obvious hahahahahaha

[NarcissisticDeity]

Only a friggin IDIOT would keep posting that crap that no one can read over and over again bwahahahahahahaa

YOU know what it means  the thing you were warned about lol

[NarcissisticDeity]

Actually, that's all he's been doing since this issue was brought up. All we ask is for an answer. He just beats around the bush and avoids answering the question directly. It's a simple yes or no answer. Not that hard.

You got your answer eons ago again ANY loose skin like you claimed would be clearly evident in the same area thats posed specifically to showcase the tightness and striated detail of the lower back and lats , you can't explain how loose hanging skin magically tightens up , and good luck trying. 


every single one of these are from the same contest 1995 Mr Olympia , where is the loose hanging skin?

[Necrosis]

LOL, if you think that's the erector spinae then pigs can fly.

So why is the loose skin hanging? You still haven't answered this question. Different bodyparts/muscles look different in every pose. Ronnie's lower back is not as tight as yates lower back in the back double bi, but Ronnie's lower back is clearly tighter than yates lower back in the rear latspread. Why can't you deal with reality? By the way, all you do is pose that stupid crunch pose when this subject is being discussed and it still doesn't prove your point. Try and stick to the topic, "Rear Latspread.

Here is yates from 93, 94, 95

i would like to point out that in that bottom comparison ronnies read lat spread is completely owning dorians, from a size, shape, detail, conditioning standpoint, and i dont even have to mention the glutes and hams.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Nice pic reminding us how tiny Haney's arms were in relation to torso LOL

Lee owned Ronnie in the front latspread and Yates owned Haney in this shot , despite his many advantages Coleman's front latspread sucked and always has .