Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[Hulkster]

the 93 contest shot is the best of those three.

too bad Ronnie's 99 shot is better: better arms/delts, thicker back, lower body infinitely more ripped and dry (no suprise since ronnie 99 was in much better condition than dorian ever was), better upper back:

[pumpster]

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As the keg got leaner, the biceps got harder and harder to find..

[bizzy]

Which Yates is the best in the back double bi?
Pre-93 O
93 O
95 O
closer to scale although not perfect...

[pumpster]

if dorian is not lacking biceps then ronnie is not lacking calves, ronnie has calves, they are not as bad as dexters or others. dorians biceps are among the worst ever especially after the tear, to argue that ronnie is missing calves and that dorians biceps are not a equal disadvantage is to be biased. you see i can see ronnies flaws, i wont change reality you will.

I have to explain to the mentally challenged that biceps are what are referred to as "show muscles", and like it or not, are worth considerably more than calves.

Yates' strengths were all the areas that matter the least-calves, views from the back..from the front it was a disaster.

[Hulkster]

ouch! dorian cannot compete:

ronnie's back has better taper, better arms, better delts, harder lower back, and more thickness..

ronnie has better delineation between the muscles of the upper back too..dorians' back is so thin compared to ronnie's it appears like a flat landscape..Ronnie's back has the delineation that dorian doesn't..

dorian's back was amazing..but ronnie's was a step above even that.

[pumpster]

Dorian's biceps are developed and are in proportion with his forearms & triceps

The problem kid is that the proportion issue is between his arms and torso, not the balance between bis and tris, both of which are equally smallish and balanced.

And in relation to Coleman, fuggedaboudit...
1,500 pages and he still hasn't figured it out LOL

[Hulkster]

The problem kid is that the proportion issue is between his arms and torso, not the balance between bis and tris, both of which are equally smallish and balanced.

And in relation to Coleman, fuggedaboudit...
1,500 pages and he still hasn't figured it out LOL

ND always avoids the problem by ignoring it and commenting on something completely different..and then acting as if he addressed the problem..

eg. the loose skin fiasco, and now the arm fiasco.

when faced with the fact that dorian has arms too small for his frame, he examines his arms without even looking at their relation to his torso..

when faced with the loose skin in the lower back lat, he posts every pose but this..

the guy is an idiot, plain and simple

 

[bizzy]

check out the split biceps in this pic...Amazing!

[Hulkster]

check out the split biceps in this pic...Amazing!

 yup, thats extreme dryness and conditioning right there.

dorian was not to that level of conditioning.

[NarcissisticDeity]

im going to stop arguing with you now you dont adress any of the points made, and make arguments that are in direct juxtapostion to what im saying. your point is that dorians christmas tree PROVES he has no loose skin on the lower back in the lat spread. i disproved this by using a jay cutler example of how he has the same thing, others also have this too. this disproves your assertion, hence your continued argument of it makes it pointless to argue as your not interested in truth, your like a fundy christian.

your second argument is that because no one has mentioned that dorian has loose skin on the lower back that is must not exist, and you provide evidence by showing that others mention jays loose sking. there is some correlation here and its a good point but it doesnt prove your point. however, my example of how ronnie has obvious loose skin in the front lat spread but it has never been mentioned also shows that just because it wasnt mentioned does not mean it didnt exist, your logical fallacy.


so now we can move on from these points because you have been proven wrong on both account by pics and by logic.

im going to stop arguing with you now you dont adress any of the points made, and make arguments that are in direct juxtapostion to what im saying. your point is that dorians christmas tree PROVES he has no loose skin on the lower back in the lat spread. i disproved this by using a jay cutler example of how he has the same thing, others also have this too. this disproves your assertion, hence your continued argument of it makes it pointless to argue as your not interested in truth, your like a fundy christian.

Again Jay Cutler is NOT Dorian Yates , you didn't prove a damn thing you made a dumb statement and tried to link Jay to Dorian proof would be a quote saying Dorian has loose skin and where is that? , and the funny thing is I've seen references to Jay's loose skin on his lower back and NEVER once did I read any reference to this for Dorian and my point stands if Dorian had ANY loose skin what so ever it would be noticeable in other back shots in the same area especially a pose where it showcases the tightness of the area in question like the x-mass three shot and low and behold NO loose skin what so ever all it shows is extremely detailed and striated spinal erectors and lower lats

your second argument is that because no one has mentioned that dorian has loose skin on the lower back that is must not exist, and you provide evidence by showing that others mention jays loose sking. there is some correlation here and its a good point but it doesnt prove your point. however, my example of how ronnie has obvious loose skin in the front lat spread but it has never been mentioned also shows that just because it wasnt mentioned does not mean it didnt exist, your logical fallacy.

when you typed Ronnie has loose skin on his abdominals I seriously laughed out loud , it's just a moronic statement not even worthy of a response , and again when Ronnie is off conditioning wise there is plenty of comments on it , same with Jay and wow none for Dorian I wonder why? again you like them are grasping at straws that he's carrying any loose skin what so ever in his back in ANY area , it's laughable

so now we can move on from these points because you have been proven wrong on both account by pics and by logic.

again you haven't proven anything and you never posted a picture and your logic leaves a lot to be desired , Ronnie has loose skin on his abdominals lol I laugh at your ' logic ' see my pictures if Dorian had any loose skin in the area on his back is x-mass tree & lower lats would NOT be as detailed , striated and tight period , the loose skin would be evident in the same area and its not so you've proved nothing .

[NarcissisticDeity]

LOL ND being owned again and again..

exactly.

anyone who says these wrinkles of loose skin are 'erector spinae' is completly stupid and doesn't give a shit about reality.

they are only interested in the fantasy that they want to believe:

 

No the wrinkles at the bottom are just that , in the area iceman posted that encompassed the spinal erectors and the lower lats , the wrinkles are just that , we've been over this before and you people are claiming he has loose skin which implies his conditioning is off and I've already PROVEN his conditioning is unequaled so keep typing your circular arguments that failed before lol

[Hulkster]

and the funny thing is I've seen references to Jay's loose skin on his lower back and NEVER once did I read any reference to this for Dorian

you don't need to see 'references' you idiot.

you have THIS:

 

what kind of a world are you living in that you need to see printed words to verify what you can plainly see with your own two eyes?

if I show you a picture of a red apple, do you need a 'reference' from someone else to believe that it is red?
 

[NarcissisticDeity]

nd please tell me what those wrinkles are above the posing trunks in anatomical terms? thank you. if you refuse to answer, or post a pic of another pose then its obvious you are admitting defeat. at least try to make a sane argument or admit he has loose skin. i can see it, i have an educaiton in anatomy, enough for clinical usage so i know thats loose skin. im not an expert but no muscle group in the back presents like that, no muscle runs medial to lateraly in the lower back save a deep intrinsic muscle.

You babble on about your education and yet you have the worse grammar I've ever seen , the wrinkles are just that wrinkles , the pic iceman posted before with the oval was in the area of the lower lats and spinal erctors m which I said are his unflexed muscles , the wrinkles are just that wrinkles not loose skin due to his conditioning being off or him holding water or fat thats nonsense , again when anyone is off condition wise you can read about

Quote Peter McGough Flex Magazine Jan 2001

RONNIE COLEMAN : ( 264lbs As big as a house , but holding water. In '98 , he was shredded and bone dry at 250 pounds. Last year ( 1999 ) he was 257 pounds but NOT as sharp as '98. This year ( 2000 ) at 264 pounds , he's not as sharp as 99 , which would seem to say that Ronnie is better at a lighter weight .

stating the obvious , now lets pose a quote from the 1993 Mr Olympia where you geniuses are claiming he has loose skin

MuscleMag International Feb 1994 on Dorian Yates at the 1993 Mr Olympia


" He's huge , absolutely HUGE ...he's ripped completely RIPPED. And while he's not in possession of the prettiest physique body by a long shot , he's equipped with all the bodyparts you need to win .

Combine this with the fact that he's 10 TIMES more impressive when you see him onstage at the Olympia than he is in pictures or on videos and you got yourself a winner.

" he's ripped completely ripped " No sorry he wasn't completely ripped didn't you know he had loose skin lol give me a break seriously , you people are grasping at straws

[NarcissisticDeity]

what did you expect from ND, the idiot? Can you believe he actually posted the pic of the guy on the left as an example of what small arms look like? I photoshopped them next to each other to compare. You tell me who's arms look smaller.

Neo you picked a year of Yates where is arms were noticeably down in size much like Ronnie 2002 and you did this on purpose , try a better shot  and once again Dorian's arms when viewed dead-on aren't that big but from the sides or another angle you can see how big they are , you've proven nothing with this comparison other than your desperation

[NarcissisticDeity]

well, dorian was nothing special from the front..

Again moronic statement , he has a much better front latspread and ab-thigh shot than Ronnie , as well as side chest and side triceps and his back shots are outstanding too , unlike Ronnie he looks amazing from all angles

[NarcissisticDeity]

I have to explain to the mentally challenged that biceps are what are referred to as "show muscles", and like it or not, are worth considerably more than calves.

Yates' strengths were all the areas that matter the least-calves, views from the back..from the front it was a disaster.

I love when you finally commit to something its always good for a laugh lol ' show muscles ' technically NO muscle is worth more than the other thats your fantasy what matters is the whole package , from head to toe and at his best Dorian's whole package is better , stop trying to accumulate parts thats not how it works

[Hulkster]

Again moronic statement , he has a much better front latspread and ab-thigh shot than Ronnie , as well as side chest and side triceps and his back shots are outstanding too , unlike Ronnie he looks amazing from all angles

LOL yeah, look how amazing dorian looks lol

[NarcissisticDeity]

As the keg got leaner, the biceps got harder and harder to find..

Again thats not Dorian at his best and yes at his best his ARMS are in proportion with his torso .    from head to toe going by how contests are judged Ronnie can't touch this shot period . he just lacks to many things for his impressive split biceps and arm size to compensate for

[Iceman1981]

You got your answer eons ago again ANY loose skin like you claimed would be clearly evident in the same area thats posed specifically to showcase the tightness and striated detail of the lower back and lats , you can't explain how loose hanging skin magically tightens up , and good luck trying. 


every single one of these are from the same contest 1995 Mr Olympia , where is the loose hanging skin?

Can you read english? We are talking about the rear latspread and you're ignoring what is being said and talking about a crunch pose. Stop living in denial. You haven't given any of us an answer. It's either YES he has loose skin or NO he doesn't have lookse skin in the REAR LATSPREAD?

We are talking about 2 different poses in case you missed it. I proved my point that he has loose skin with pics from different years. You haven't proved anything by posting crunch pics when the topic is about the rear latspread.

No loose skin is hanging in those crunch pics because I can clearly see that there is no loose skin. I would have to be an idiot to claim there is loose skin in the crunch pose. The rear latspread is a total different pose and story.

 

[NarcissisticDeity]

LOL yeah, look how amazing dorian looks lol

You've reached pumpster's level you're a troll . you're deathly afraid to posted the great shots I'm going to for a reason because you know Ronnie can't compete . you've just reached the point where you're just typing insanely dumb comments on how much drier & harder Ronnie is despite evidence to the contrary lol you've melted down into just trolling .

you fear Dorian at his best , for a very good reason.

[aussiepro]

how the fuck can you say that dorian has nothing from the front, probaly the best front lat spread ever, Some people just type nonsense comments for the sake of it.
dorian has nothing from the front makes me laugh everytime i read it haha,
i'll give you a real statement, ronnie lacks symetry and triceps

[Hulkster]

Can you read english? We are talking about the rear latspread and you're ignoring what is being said and talking about a crunch pose. Stop living in denial. You haven't given any of us an answer. It's either YES he has loose skin or NO he doesn't have lookse skin in the REAR LATSPREAD?

We are talking about 2 different poses in case you missed it. I proved my point that he has loose skin with pics from different years. You haven't proved anything by posting crunch pics when the topic is about the rear latspread.

No loose skin is hanging in those crunch pics because I can clearly see that there is no loose skin. I would have to be an idiot to claim there is loose skin in the crunch pose. The rear latspread is a total different pose and story.

 

Like I said, ND will avoid the issue and comment on something totally different...and then act as if he commented on the issue directly.

thats the sort of thing that gets students low marks at school - you answered a question but you did not answer THE question..

ND should be glad he never went beyond HS. lol

 

[Hulkster]

You've reached pumpster's level you're a troll . you're deathly afraid to posted the great shots I'm going to for a reason because you know Ronnie can't compete . you've just reached the point where you're just typing insanely dumb comments on how much drier & harder Ronnie is despite evidence to the contrary lol you've melted down into just trolling .

you fear Dorian at his best , for a very good reason.

I find it amusing that you think those shots are 'good' with quads that bad and arms that bad. lol

 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Can you read english? We are talking about the rear latspread and you're ignoring what is being said and talking about a crunch pose. Stop living in denial. You haven't given any of us an answer. It's either YES he has loose skin or NO he doesn't have lookse skin in the REAR LATSPREAD?

We are talking about 2 different poses in case you missed it. I proved my point that he has loose skin with pics from different years. You haven't proved anything by posting crunch pics when the topic is about the rear latspread.

No loose skin is hanging in those crunch pics because I can clearly see that there is no loose skin. I would have to be an idiot to claim there is loose skin in the crunch pose. The rear latspread is a total different pose and story.

 

yawn same tirade as before same nonsense , again you're not going to have loose skin in one shot and have it magically disappear in another , especially in the crunch pose it would be evident there was well and its not , believe what you like when you can supplement your claim with a quote about his loose skin then I'll apologize lol but don't hold your breathe lol and good luck.

[Necrosis]

You babble on about your education and yet you have the worse grammar I've ever seen , the wrinkles are just that wrinkles , the pic iceman posted before with the oval was in the area of the lower lats and spinal erctors m which I said are his unflexed muscles , the wrinkles are just that wrinkles not loose skin due to his conditioning being off or him holding water or fat thats nonsense , again when anyone is off condition wise you can read about

Quote Peter McGough Flex Magazine Jan 2001

RONNIE COLEMAN : ( 264lbs As big as a house , but holding water. In '98 , he was shredded and bone dry at 250 pounds. Last year ( 1999 ) he was 257 pounds but NOT as sharp as '98. This year ( 2000 ) at 264 pounds , he's not as sharp as 99 , which would seem to say that Ronnie is better at a lighter weight .

stating the obvious , now lets pose a quote from the 1993 Mr Olympia where you geniuses are claiming he has loose skin

MuscleMag International Feb 1994 on Dorian Yates at the 1993 Mr Olympia


" He's huge , absolutely HUGE ...he's ripped completely RIPPED. And while he's not in possession of the prettiest physique body by a long shot , he's equipped with all the bodyparts you need to win .

Combine this with the fact that he's 10 TIMES more impressive when you see him onstage at the Olympia than he is in pictures or on videos and you got yourself a winner.

" he's ripped completely ripped " No sorry he wasn't completely ripped didn't you know he had loose skin lol give me a break seriously , you people are grasping at straws

i dont have an education in langauge or arts so my grammar is shitty, i just dont give a fuck on this board to type right.


loose skin is wrinkles, thank you for finally admitting to it. that wasnt that hard was it.

i mention my education in the area because i see you trying to pretend you know what your talking about, just like praetor i wanted to correct you.


your quote does not directly talk about lower back loose skin but global conditioning which we know is not consistent. flex had super detailed upper back and a fat ass. dorian has a great back and everything else is less ripped. fact of life. since you have admitted to the loose skin we can move on.