Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NarcissisticDeity]

he was a hell of a lot more aesthetic than dorian (plus he was the same size and with a better back too but that is not relevant to what we are talking about right now)

that is all that matters in this debate.

how ronnie compares to flex or shawn in terms of aesthetics has NOTHING to do with this debate.

all that matters is how he compares to dorian. and he was far more aesthetic than dorian ever was. everyone has told you and shown you that by now.

man, you really have no clue do you?

you keep bringing in completely irrelevant things as 'support' for your argument.

it is not only annoying and sad, but stupid as well.

Again MORON pay attention I never claimed Dorian was more aesthetic than Ronnie , I don't care about aesthetics it means NOTHING Dorian beat half of the 20 most aesthetic bodybuilders lol its moot Dorian doesn't and didn't win because he was aesthetic he won because he was Dorian Yates and that seemed to work just fine for him .

better back my ass comparable yes? better you're high he needs striated lats & spinal erectors to be equal forget better.

[gtbro1]

  I don't know how you guys do it...still debating after all this time. looks like you would run out of amo by now.

[suckmymuscle]

he was a hell of a lot more aesthetic than dorian (plus he was the same size and with a better back too but that is not relevant to what we are talking about right now)

that is all that matters in this debate.

how ronnie compares to flex or shawn in terms of aesthetics has NOTHING to do with this debate.

all that matters is how he compares to dorian. and he was far more aesthetic than dorian ever was. everyone has told you and shown you that by now.

man, you really have no clue do you?

you keep bringing in completely irrelevant things as 'support' for your argument.

it is not only annoying and sad, but stupid as well.

  Hulkster, aesthetics is subjective. How do you explain that Nasser won pro shows agaisnt the likes of Shawn Ray with his thick bones and not-so-round muscle bellies? How do you explain that Jean-Pierre Fux became European champion with a super-thick waist and distended gut to boot?

  Also, you are forgetting that there are two types of bodybuilding physique: the Herculean(mesomorphic) and the Apolonian(ectomorphic), and neither is superior to the other because some judges prefer one while others prefer the latter. Dorian is the Herculean ideal - deep sternum, thick bones, hard muscles), while Wheeler is the Apolonian ideal - small bones, round muscle bellies, wide clavicles, narrow hips. You can't really use aesthetics as argument because it is a matter of taste.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NarcissisticDeity]

see what the fuck?

 

dominating is dominating.

its not a blanket statement dumbass.

Hulkster yes it was a blanket statement and I'm going to now once again correct you as to why . see contests are judged by a set of criteria and in all pose the judges ask for a combination of things , such as balance & proportion , muscle density & conditioning , muscular size , posing & presentation

now to claim Shawn is ' dominating ' Dorian means he's meeting this criteria not equally to Dorian but even more so hence the word ' dominate ' now let me break this down for you seeing you're new to this game

is Shawn ' dominating ' Dorian on muscular bulk? Ummm I think this is a no ' dominating ' would mean he's a LOT bigger than Dorian lol and if I'm not mistaken Shawn was about 205 pounds for this contest and Dorian was 260 pounds thats a solid 55 pound size advantage on Shawn and it's all quality dense muscle , wow it looks like your claim he's being ' dominated ' from tis aspect of the judging criteria is flat out wrong

Lets move on shall we? how about balance & proportion? is Dorian getting ' dominated ' here as well? I don't think so , Shawn did have a nicely balanced physique but he does have high calves and short quads ,  and oh narrow clavicles and heavyweights arms and a middleweights torso I don't think he's ' dominating ' Dorian from this aspect either , oh and a IFBB judge referred to Dorian's balance & proportion as ' near perfect ' so once again you're down two on this ' dominating ' thing

Muscle Density & Conditioning , is Shawn ' dominating ' Dorian from this aspect? I don't think so , to quote Peter McGough ' on the topic of conditioning NO ONE did it better than Dorian ' I think that pretty much silences your claim of him ' dominating ' Dorian from this aspect , Shawn is perhaps equal in conditioning , Shawn was one of the more consistent professionals when it came to being in shape , but ' dominating ' Dorian ? thats just nonsense

Posing & presentation ? is Dorian getting ' dominated ' in this pose? NO not in the least . while Shawn was a excellent poser he's not doing this pose any ' better ' than Dorian both can hit the mandatory poses effectively so once again your claim Shawn is ' dominating ' Dorian is simply not true and very ignorant of how bodybuilding contests are judged and the criterion that they apply

so to wrap up your stupid statement with an excellent analysis of the criteria and how and why Shawn isn't and could NEVER ' dominate ' Dorian in this pose never mind any other , please refrain from making blanket statements in the future , sure Shawn does have some ( key word ) advantages in this pose , however when all things are considered as the judges do in contests , Shawn isn't ' dominating ' Dorian in this shot.

consider yourself schooled. 

[NarcissisticDeity]

see, oh unintelligent one, if you had any brains what so ever, you would see that I never said your argument changed.

its how you attempt to support your argument that has changed.

man, I am getting really irritated dealing with someone this stupid. I am constantly having to correct you and explain simple things to you.

feels like I am speaking to someone in grade four.

Hulkster my argument has NOT changed I post pictures as well as claim the same thing I always have , Dorian would beat Ronnie because he has better balance & proportion , better density & conditioning , is more complete , and depending on the year has a clear advantage in muscular bulk , couple that with him being a better technical poser lol this hasn't budged its the same argument and you still can't counter it and I've proven my many points after the fact , something you can't do and I've supplemented it with video and pictures you're a flat out liar and now are forced to do damage control because I busted your dumb-ass praising how smart I was lol you're so tired of getting mentally beat you're forced to retract and amend all your claims , and are reduced to name calling lol and now allow me to post a picture that you most certainly wont like lol 

[NarcissisticDeity]

  Hulkster, aesthetics is subjective. How do you explain that Nasser won pro shows agaisnt the likes of Shawn Ray with his thick bones and not-so-round muscle bellies? How do you explain that Jean-Pierre Fux became European champion with a super-thick waist and distended gut to boot?

  Also, you are forgetting that there are two types of bodybuilding physique: the Herculean(mesomorphic) and the Apolonian(ectomorphic), and neither is superior to the other because some judges prefer one while others prefer the latter. Dorian is the Herculean ideal - deep sternum, thick bones, hard muscles), while Wheeler is the Apolonian ideal - small bones, round muscle bellies, wide clavicles, narrow hips. You can't really use aesthetics as argument because it is a matter of taste.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Hey someone who gets it !

[Hulkster]

  I don't know how you guys do it...still debating after all this time. looks like you would run out of amo by now.

nope.

the pro Ronnie and anti dorian evidence just keeps coming.

and the excuses from the dorian side keep on flowing:

everyone can see:

[Iceman1981]

  About the first pic:

  - Dorian's skin in the lower back is folding only slightly.
  SUCKMYMUSCLE

LOL, looks like someone hit a nerve. We are all blind  .  Thanks for admitting and proving our point. The proof is in the pictures. Deal with it.

[NeoSeminole]

Read my post carefully. You are wrong. Loose skin does not require you to arch your back to become apparent; it is apparent when standing straight. Why can't you comprehend this?

what is this fagg*t still doing here? I whooped his ass in the Mr. Getbig contest. He agreed to stop posting if he lost to me.

[NarcissisticDeity]

what is this fagg*t still doing here? I whooped his ass in the Mr. Getbig contest. He agreed to stop posting if he lost to me.

more name calling huh? thats a sign of frustration

[Hulkster]

more name calling huh? thats a sign of frustration

so is avoiding 1500 pages of visual pics..

 

[England_1]

It simply doesn't get any better than this.

[NarcissisticDeity]

nope.

the pro Ronnie and anti dorian evidence just keeps coming.

and the excuses from the dorian side keep on flowing:

everyone can see:

Little Ronnie can't hang with this.

[suckmymuscle]

LOL, looks like someone hit a nerve. We are all blind.  Thanks for admitting and proving our point. The proof is in the pictures. Deal with it.

  How am I proving your point moron if I just explained to you that what Dorian has is not loose skin because it only becomes apparent when he arches his back? Loose skin in the lower back is apparent even when standing straight. You are one stupid fuck.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NarcissisticDeity]

It simply doesn't get any better than this.

You couldn't be any more right ! forearms in proportion with his biceps/triceps , his biceps/triceps in proportion with his back , outstanding back from top to bottom just unequaled density & dryness he stands alone in most mandatory poses. check out the excellent hams and calves 

[Hulkster]

Little Ronnie can't hang with this.

what the fuck?

 

ND is so desperate and frustrated that when dorian is getting owned in the front lat he posts a pic of ronnie ABOUT to hit a lat spread lol

 

what a fucking moron..

he so still so bitter that 'big ugly' dorian' can't hang with 'little ronnie' lol

 

[Hulkster]

dorian's wrinkled old grandma lower back skin looks great in those shots boys.

keep em coming...

[NarcissisticDeity]

  How am I proving your point moron if I just explained to you that what Dorian has is not loose skin because it only becomes apparent when he arches his back? Loose skin in the lower back is apparent even when standing straight. You are one stupid fuck.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

he is stupid because he committed to a really dumb statement and is so tried of getting owned ( like Hulkster ) they just can't stand admitted the obvious lol look at the arms in the rear latspread they have wrinkles it must be loose skin lmfao these are the idiots we have to deal with .

[England_1]

ND is so desperate and frustrated that when dorian is getting owned in the front lat he posts a pic of ronnie ABOUT to hit a lat spread lol

Oh...it's not like you haven't been doing that for what? ...about 1500 pages now 

[suckmymuscle]

what is this fagg*t still doing here? I whooped his ass in the Mr. Getbig contest. He agreed to stop posting if he lost to me.

  So you won by default? And it's funny that I've made tons of posts since the Mr.Getbig was over and you didn't say shit. You didn't defeat me at the Mr.Getbig becasue I didn't compete in it. And before you claim that I ran, the reason I didn't compete was a fluke. Go ask Ron.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Hulkster]

Oh...it's not like you haven't been doing that for what? ...about 1500 pages now 

show me one instance Pubes..

you won't find one.

 

[NarcissisticDeity]

what the fuck?

 

ND is so desperate and frustrated that when dorian is getting owned in the front lat he posts a pic of ronnie ABOUT to hit a lat spread lol

 

what a fucking moron..

he so still so bitter that 'big ugly' dorian' can't hang with 'little ronnie' lol

 

no , no Hulkster that was called a taste of your own medicine  doesn't taste good does it? lol you're infamous for those types of comparisons and ironically the ' comparison ' you post in this one , shows Ronnie at 245 pounds with calves similar in size to a 257 pound Dorian Yates lol thats a great and accurate comparison there Hulkster lol lets see photoshopped pics , heavily inaccurate slanted comparisons in which Dorian's waist is just is narrow as Ronnie and Ronnie's calves are just as big as Dorians lol

keep up the good work 

[Hulkster]

both of these are in need of some serious saggy skin cream lol

 

[NarcissisticDeity]

both of these are in need of some serious saggy skin cream lol

 

hulkster answer the question , is the wrinkles on Dorian's triceps loose skin too? 

[Camel Jockey]

[NarcissisticDeity]LOL Hulkster and everyone else that doesn't agree with me is so pwned! 1993 Dorian would have owned everyone, as he was like 257 lbs contest shape, and 290 a few weeks out! Never mind Dorian's later tears, as they didn't effect his mandatory poses. I mean who cares if his biceps don't show up in the rear double bi shot? Ronnie's show up, but since his arms overall aren't any good, Yates has him beat.

I mean if you guys don't take my word for it then you're all novices. My points are backed up by unfair shots of Ronnie getting ready to hit poses compared to a 1993 Dorian in some gym and not even on stage. But I am right because I post some random bs written by some schmoe from a bbing magazine! And everyone knows that the opinions of Flex Magazine schmoes carry great weight![/NarcissisticDeity]