Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[Necrosis]

No because he saying the best physique is Ronnie is subjective that doesn't make it fact , ask 20 people who the best physique is and you'll get 20 different responses its to subjective but the point stands about conditioning

Dorian's conditioning is better than Ronnies which is PART of the reason why he would be able to beat him.

he is not more seperated, striated, or detailed then ronnie. that is obvious. so your left with hardness. ask twenty people who would win between ronnie and dorian and 17 would say ronnie and three dorian, at least get something correct.


him saying dorian has the best condition is also subjective or do you not know the difference between subjective and objectve? bodybuilding tries to be objective in order to create standards, but your hardness cannot be objectified while ronnies striations, seperation, and detail can be. you tell me what is more objective of those criteria.

jesus your a moron. you cant even form an argument without using half truths and skewed arguments.

[natural al]

there is no escaping the truth.

ummmm....he's like 3 weeks out....

[NeoSeminole]

ummmm....he's like 3 weeks out....

no kidding. Honestly, I think it's unfair to compare a prime Ronnie to a pre-contest Dorian but the nuthuggers insist that is the best version Dorian has to offer.

[natural al]

I'll be the bigger man and say enough is enough , the board is sick of our ' debates ' obviously neither of us are going to convince each other of our opinions , and we've basically said everything we could , so I say lets end this debate out of respect for others , I say you and I stop directly comparing Ronnie & Dorian and leave well enough alone and let the board have a rest lol the ball is now in your court . 

think how different the world would be today if only hulkster would have accepted this olive branch....oh, the humanity.

[Necrosis]

You don't know if he has very little detail , the shadows don't create detail , he has the detail its just harder to see in pictures , which is why everyone says he looks light years better in person than in pictures.

an the photographer said it wasn't a great technical shot I'm pretty sure that means it wasn't favorable lighting as you claim

so now you admit that your not sure if he was referring to lighting? your pretty sure? lol. give it up man theres no definitive proof there and i know from personal experience that downward lighting with shadows is the best lighting, look at the english grand prix, the best lighting ever there, and it was all shadows.

your being ownd left and right here. lol

kevin horton has no more knowledge then a local competitor, im glad your resting arguments on kevin hortons expert knowledge of physiques. the lighting was favorable, but it doesnt even matter, ronnie in most of the bfto's blows dorian away, and easily.

[NarcissisticDeity]

your opinion that Dorian would beat Ronnie contradicts many respectable eyewitness. What's your point?

I'm more knowledgable about the human body than both of them. One is a journalist while the other is a photographer. I wouldn't be surprised if neither man has a college degree, let alone in pre-med.

the "collection of parts theory" as you call it does work. Ronnie at his prime had size + aesthetics - something Dorian never had. You act like Ronnie was a mix-match of parts but he wasn't. His arms, delts, pecs, back, quads, and hamstrings all fit perfectly on his frame.

your opinion that Dorian would beat Ronnie contradicts many respectable eyewitness. What's your point?

No it doesn't

I'm more knowledgable about the human body than both of them. One is a journalist while the other is a photographer. I wouldn't be surprised if neither man has a college degree, let alone in pre-med.

you don't know for sure you're more knowledgeable thats YOUR assumption , you don't know specifically what their level of education and it has to do more so with experience than education , again you think this degree means something lol if I'm not mistaken you never attended the 1993/1995/1998/1999/2001/2003 Mr Olympias , you weren't at the 1993 pre-contest photoshoot , I'm more apt to believe what someone who was in attendance of all of the said contests than someone who sits at home on his PC staring longingly at their overpriced degree lol

the "collection of parts theory" as you call it does work. Ronnie at his prime had size + aesthetics - something Dorian never had. You act like Ronnie was a mix-match of parts but he wasn't. His arms, delts, pecs, back, quads, and hamstrings all fit perfectly on his frame.

lmfao aesthetic , what a wast of typing effort you need great calves and abdominals to be considered aesthetic Ronnie has NEITHER these along with deltoids are all considered aesthetic muscles , Ronnie was a load of impressive parts that always lacked balance & proportion , its old news

forearms are NOT in proportion with his biceps/triceps , he has long arms for his short torso , he has a short torso , his glutes aren't in proportion with the rest of his physique especially when you consider they can be seen from the front ! his calves aren't in proportion with his quads , his hams aren't in proportion with his quads , this can be seen in profile especially at heavier weights , old news to everyone except you .

[THE MUSCULAR]

hummmmmmmmm

i saw hunders post here  

i just make account and sign in

TO SAY

DORINA WILL NEVER EVER BEAT RONNEY COLEMAN ...  AND U CANT CHANGE THE PAST  
my God wht density and symetry u know  

[NarcissisticDeity]

so now you admit that your not sure if he was referring to lighting? your pretty sure? lol. give it up man theres no definitive proof there and i know from personal experience that downward lighting with shadows is the best lighting, look at the english grand prix, the best lighting ever there, and it was all shadows.

your being ownd left and right here. lol

kevin horton has no more knowledge then a local competitor, im glad your resting arguments on kevin hortons expert knowledge of physiques. the lighting was favorable, but it doesnt even matter, ronnie in most of the bfto's blows dorian away, and easily.

Again what part of its a technically bad shot didn't you grasp? you made the claim it is favorable if it was favorable as you insist it would be technically good .

and on the topic of the specific picture at hand Kevin Horton blows your dumb opinion out of the water , like the rest of these idiots you're always contradicting the professionals when your point is crushed , hey thats all you can do the alternative is to admit you're wrong and I'm right lol and that's worse than denial apparently

BFTO lol same old Ronnie , same old flaws I'm not impressed .

[natural al]

hummmmmmmmm

i saw hunders post here  

i just make account and sign in

TO SAY

DORINA WILL NEVER EVER BEAT RONNEY COLEMAN ...  AND U CANT CHANGE THE PAST  
my God wht density and symetry u know  

worst most incoherent post ever.

[NarcissisticDeity]

no kidding. Honestly, I think it's unfair to compare a prime Ronnie to a pre-contest Dorian but the nuthuggers insist that is the best version Dorian has to offer.

Dorian crushed Ronnie at 269 pounds , and he's six weeks out not 3 and he's still bigger , harder and has better balance than ANY Ronnie

[NarcissisticDeity]

worst most incoherent post ever.

Must be Hulkster gimmick account , they both make the same point , or lack there of.

[Necrosis]

Again what part of its a technically bad shot didn't you grasp? you made the claim it is favorable if it was favorable as you insist it would be technically good .

and on the topic of the specific picture at hand Kevin Horton blows your dumb opinion out of the water , like the rest of these idiots you're always contradicting the professionals when your point is crushed , hey thats all you can do the alternative is to admit you're wrong and I'm right lol and that's worse than denial apparently

BFTO lol same old Ronnie , same old flaws I'm not impressed .

calm down first, second a bad technical shot does not have to refer to lighting, it is referring to the technique which is not necessarily lighting. lol ronnie owns dorian and everyone agrees accept you, guess dorians flaws are greater or everyone but you is dumb. but wait you dont even know how the erectors attach LOL, you are an expert on the human body.

[Hulkster]

LOL ND is totally being owned here.

this is great. his stupidity and lack of support for his argument is in full force here.

ND, why do you keep posting this pic:

some of the worst upper body shape in history here, arms with no detail and even worse shape.

extended flexed right quad -same as arms - no detail or seperation, horrible shape.

delts -some of the worst shaped ever. esp. compared to ronnie's cannonballs.

pecs are detailed but flat.

why?

oh wait. - you have no clue how to evalate a physisque.

thats why.

[Hulkster]

I wouldn't be surprised if neither man has a college degree, let alone in pre-med.

its painfully obvious by the way he 'supports' his arguments that ND has no degree either..

[NarcissisticDeity]

LOL ND is totally being owned here.

this is great. his stupidity and lack of support for his argument is in full force here.

ND, why do you keep posting this pic:

some of the worst upper body shape in history here, arms with no detail and even worse shape.

extended flexed right quad -same as arms - no detail or seperation, horrible shape.

delts -some of the worst shaped ever. esp. compared to ronnie's cannonballs.

pecs are detailed but flat.

why?

oh wait. - you have no clue how to evalate a physisque.

thats why.

oh boy lol meltdown

I stopped at worse upper body shape in history , this statement will come back to haunt you lol

[NarcissisticDeity]

its painfully obvious by the way he 'supports' his arguments that ND has no degree either..

 

[NeoSeminole]

No it doesn't

yes, it does.

Greg Merritt - Flex, July 2007 p. 212

"Coleman is only two years older than the new Mr. O (hypothetical article saying if Toney Freeman won), but time stops for no man, including the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived."

Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004

"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."

Mike Matarazzo – Flex, January 1999

“I think this creature from another planet, Ronnie Coleman, is going to be number one for a while. I think that, in the shape he was in, he would have beaten Dorian Yates. Ronnie has every single attribute it takes to be the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived.”

Steve Blechman - MD, Febrary 2004

"Ronnie perseveres and proves continually that, at his best, he is unbeatable."

you don't know for sure you're more knowledgeable thats YOUR assumption , you don't know specifically what their level of education and it has to do more so with experience than education , again you think this degree means something lol if I'm not mistaken you never attended the 1993/1995/1998/1999/2001/2003 Mr Olympias , you weren't at the 1993 pre-contest photoshoot , I'm more apt to believe what someone who was in attendance of all of the said contests than someone who sits at home on his PC staring longingly at their overpriced degree lol

it's also my assumption the sun will rise tomorrow. No one knows for sure since we can't hop into a time machine and travel into the future. Assumptions are based on probability. Likewise, I have good reason to believe I'm more knowledgable about the human body than either man. Bodybuilding doesn't exactly attract many intellectuals. There isn't much money to be made and those who stay involved usually do so b/c they don't have many options. Moreover, I question Peter and Kris' educational background. One is a journalist while the other is a photographer. I have a 4 yr degree in Exercise Physiology.

lmfao aesthetic , what a wast of typing effort you need great calves and abdominals to be considered aesthetic Ronnie has NEITHER these along with deltoids are all considered aesthetic muscles , Ronnie was a load of impressive parts that always lacked balance & proportion , its old news

aesthetic



not aesthetic



hope this helps.

[England_1]

To this day, there has never been a better front lat spread his than this....this is simply unreal 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Quote Ironaman Jan 1995 former IFBB Judge Roger Schwab 1994 Mr Olympia

" Best Most Muscular - Yates. When he poses , everything explodes. "

This was at the 1994 Mr Olympia obviously NOT his best , now 1993 at 269 pounds forget about it , lights out

outstanding most muscular

[Hulkster]

look at how much better conditioned, ripped and dry Ronnie is in the comparisons Neo posted.

hey ND, what is your excuse this time?

 

[Hulkster]

Quote Ironaman Jan 1995 former IFBB Judge Roger Schwab 1994 Mr Olympia

" Best Most Muscular - Yates. When he poses , everything explodes. "

This was at the 1994 Mr Olympia obviously NOT his best , now 1993 at 269 pounds forget about it , lights out

outstanding most muscular

like we said, you cling to quotes that have NO VISUAL SUPPORT WHATSOEVER:

 

unbelievable:

 
honestly ND, do you agree with this bullshit?

god I hope not.

[NarcissisticDeity]

yes, it does.

Greg Merritt - Flex, July 2007 p. 212

"Coleman is only two years older than the new Mr. O (hypothetical article saying if Toney Freeman won), but time stops for no man, including the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived."

Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004

"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."

Mike Matarazzo – Flex, January 1999

“I think this creature from another planet, Ronnie Coleman, is going to be number one for a while. I think that, in the shape he was in, he would have beaten Dorian Yates. Ronnie has every single attribute it takes to be the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived.”

Steve Blechman - MD, Febrary 2004

"Ronnie perseveres and proves continually that, at his best, he is unbeatable."

it's also my assumption the sun will rise tomorrow. No one knows for sure since we can't hop into a time machine and travel into the future. Assumptions are based on probability. Likewise, I have good reason to believe I'm more knowledgable about the human body than either man. Bodybuilding doesn't exactly attract many intellectuals. There isn't much money to be made and those who stay involved usually do so b/c they don't have many options. Moreover, I question Peter and Kris' educational background. One is a journalist while the other is a photographer. I have a 4 yr degree in Exercise Physiology.

aesthetic



not aesthetic


hope this helps.

All the quotes you posted were in fact addressed and corrected MANY TIMES

Assumptions are based on probability.

I'm glad you posted this lol Dorian beat Ronnie 8 times , Ronnie beat Dorian 0 times , granted Ronnie wasn't at his best lol but neither was Dorian , seeing Dorian beat Ronnie 8 times there is a STRONG probability he would beat Ronnie again , especially if he was at his best

Dorian has a 88% win/loss ratio , Ronnie just 40% , in all probability Dorian would beat Ronnie 

[NarcissisticDeity]

look at how much better conditioned, ripped and dry Ronnie is in the comparisons Neo posted.

hey ND, what is your excuse this time?

 

See your same bullshit Per Barnel professional studio photoshoot to a gym shot of Yates thats no excuse thats a fact 

[NarcissisticDeity]

like we said, you cling to quotes that have NO VISUAL SUPPORT WHATSOEVER:

 

unbelievable:

 
honestly ND, do you agree with this bullshit?

god I hope not.

I love how you post a shot of a 205 pound Shawn Ray an think for a moment he beats a 262 pound Dorian Yates in a most muscular pose lol

IFBB judge or Hulkster lol Live and in person or at home on his Gateway? I don't have to have a Canadian ' degree ' to think about this one lol

[Hulkster]

All the quotes you posted were in fact addressed and corrected MANY TIMES

I love it.

when we post quotes that are supported by real visual support, ND simply "corrects' them and sweeps them under the carpet.

When ND posts quotes that are directly contradicted by real visual evidence AND other quotes, they are true no matter what according to him..

you really should have gone to school ND. you would have been so much smarter if you had..