EVERYONE, please read nds quoted reply the irony of his post. first off im using the fucking ronnie quotes as an example of validity and reliability. there are quotes for both sides hence with no way to decipher which are correct or valid we must discard them in favor of the best comparison we have, ie pictures. LMAO.. honestly dude you clearly are not that bright, its like you dont even read the replies. secondly, your are wrong on what my quotes where about. it was a tribute mag with ronnie hitting a side chest on people answering the question, is ronnie the greatest mr olympia of all time? it has nothing to do with contest reports you jew bag. ronnies size, conditioning and back are legendary, he is the majority winner in all the polls, in all the mags etc... there are few in the minority who like a different flavor ie you.
i never said the people that where there are wrong, im saying dorian may have been diced to shit, but that doesnt show when they are comp
ared via pics. i have quotes and you have quotes, there are judges in the mag as well LOL.
"and my point stands you're trying to claim that Ronnie is better conditioned than Dorian despite NEVER once seeing them LIVE and in PERSON at the said contests and you're saying not only are you right but the people who were there are wrong lol you're helpless you have no argument just blanket statements "
nobody saw them compete in person at their primes you incredible idiot. stop saying blanket statement would you im not generalizing anything. jesus its like arguing with a baby. you cant even defend your argument without contradicting yourself, defeating your own arguments and missing the points others make.
EVERYONE, please read nds quoted reply the irony of his post. first off im using the fucking ronnie quotes as an example of validity and reliability. there are quotes for both sides hence with no way to decipher which are correct or valid we must discard them in favor of the best comparison we have, ie pictures. LMAO.. honestly dude you clearly are not that bright, its like you dont even read the replies. secondly, your are wrong on what my quotes where about. it was a tribute mag with ronnie hitting a side chest on people answering the question, is ronnie the greatest mr olympia of all time? it has nothing to do with contest reports you jew bag. ronnies size, conditioning and back are legendary, he is the majority winner in all the polls, in all the mags etc... there are few in the minority who like a different flavor ie you.
meltdown part II
wrong for many reasons first of them being the quotes you posted aren't specific to Dorian Yates VS Ronnie Coleman , your quotes are relative to his competition that given year and have nothing to do with the topic at hand , please follow to see how its done , specific to the argument at hand , this is how its done
4. A lot of people say that you are the only pro bodybuilder that could go head to head with Ronnie Coleman. Like him, you were the only other to be able to gain so much mass in one year. What are your thoughts on this?
Dorian Yates on competing with Ronnie :
A. I get asked that question all the time, and I can’t really give an answer. I have actually beaten Ronnie, but then he wasn’t at the stage he is now. He is probably carrying more muscle than I did, but I feel I had
better conditioning than him. It would be close but that’s down to the judge’s decision as always. All the things that we have in common – Lee Haney, Ronnie Coleman and myself – is that we are all stable mentally, training hard, not messing around partying. You have to keep the focus and it’s usually the mind that is the deciding factor, over physical capabilities.
Now this is specific to Ronnie Coleman Vs Dorian Yates and please keep in mind Dorian Yates is an IFBB judge so his ' opinion ' carries weight , couple that with the fact when Dorian was on Pro Bodybuilding Weekly and posed the same question his response was the same
" I have better conditioning than Ronnie " again specific to the topic at hand and he would know
Lee Priest
HOW DO YOU FEEL DORIAN WOULD FAIR AGAINST RONNIE COLEMAN NOW?
I think Dorian at his best (1993) would easily beat Ronnie. Dorian might not be as symmetrical as Ronnie, but all over he was more complete and
in better condition at his best.Again echoing the sentiment of Dorian Yates and this is specific to the topic at hand
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold,
he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.Once again specific to the topic at hand , mind you Peter McGough is the former editor of Flex magazine and has 40 years experience in professional bodybuilding and has been to every major contest , and has seen both at their best and worst , this is called converging evidence from multiple credible sources specific to the debate at hand , this crushes anything you've yet to come up with
Now pictures are NOT an accurate means of ascertaining one's conditioning for many reasons and I'm going to teach you ( again ) why , pay attention
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched.
In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.This quote alone silences your ignorant claim of photos being the ' best comparison ' but I will supplement it with others to converge the evidence against your stupid claim
Bob Chick GetBig 10 - 05 - 2007
THis is why pictures will never replace actually being there, in person and close to the stage....
stating the obvious
Mr Gethin GetBig Steptember 10 , 2007
Beat Ronnie fare and square on the european tour...Huh?
Were you there? Did you know anyone who was there, or are you speculating via pics? I'm a contest photog and can tell you that pics dont always give a true depiction.By the way Kris Gethin is a professional contest photographer
Flex magazine Jan 1992 on Dorian Yates
" Dorian has the type of physique that looks much better and more powerfull in person than photos. I personally saw him onstage , and Yates if definitely light years ahead of the way he looks in photos.but usmoke can use his x-ray vision to see through this lol
MuscleMag International Feb 1994 on Dorian Yates at the 1993 Mr Olympia
" He's huge , absolutely HUGE ...he's ripped completely RIPPED. And while he's not in possession of the prettiest physique body by a long shot , he's equipped with all the bodyparts you need to win .
Combine this with the fact that he's 10 TIMES more impressive when you see him onstage at the Olympia than he is in pictures or on videos and you got yourself a winner.see a pattern here?
This is a quote from John Hotten book " Muscle "
" Chris Cormier standing next to Dorian onstage he sensed ' radiation coming off him , like an aura. ' The power of that muscle was tangible. It exerted a force all of its own. Cormier thought ' I might as well forget about this guy and concentrate on being second. ' There was something else , too , strange.
You had to witness him in the flesh. such granite hradness had a property that could nor be held on film or caught on paper. You had to see it live.and the hits just keep on coming
Bob Chick GetBig Jan 15 , 2007
The judges made their decision based on what they saw live and in person. Pictures mean nothing as they can be deceiving...Bob Chick schooling some idot ( much like you ) on these very boards claiming they knew who won via pics lol
Peter McGough Flex Magazine May 2002
Let it be said that the camera can lie at physique contests. Some guys look great onstage but not so great on final film (Dorian Yates, for one) and vice versa (Shawn Ray is an example). Wow looks like your point of pictures being the ' best comparison ' we have is flat out proven wrong , period . end of sentence. eyewitness accounts of what transpired crush any faulty opinion you form and your opinion will NEVER be correct over someone who was there live and in person , especially not someone like an IFBB judge , your point is addressed , corrected and dismissed .
i never said the people that where there are wrong, im saying dorian may have been diced to shit, but that doesnt show when they are compared via pics. i have quotes and you have quotes, there are judges in the mag as well LOL.
It doesn't matter what you say , you claimed Ronnie has better conditioning you committed to a blanket statement and corrected . and your quote are NOT specific to Dorian Yates and the one quote that from Flex claiming Ronnie is the " biggest , hardest , most ripped Mr Olympia ever " is technically right even though it isn't specific to Dorian Yates , Ronnie was the biggest ( 287 pounds ) most ripped ( at that weight ) Mr Olympia ever but his conditioning sucked compared to his best never mind that to Dorian Yates
You have NO other quotes saying specifically Ronnie Coleman is harder or drier than Dorian Yates none . and you can post all the quotes you'd like about Ronnie Coleman being the Great Mr Olympia ever , because they have NOTHING to do with Dorian Yates' and his conditioning , and because it's true . Ronnie Coleman is the best Mr Olympia ever he has the most career wins and he has eight straight Sandows . that has NOTHING to do with if Dorian at his best faced Ronnie , Dorian could beat Ronnie Coleman he's done it 8 times before he has all the tools to do it as well , so any quote claiming Ronnie is the best ever is MOOT to the discussion at hand.
nobody saw them compete in person at their primes you incredible idiot. stop saying blanket statement would you im not generalizing anything. jesus its like arguing with a baby. you cant even defend your argument without contradicting yourself, defeating your own arguments and missing the points others make.
Moron Peter McGough was at the Olympia from almost beginning to present and at the 2001 Arnold Classic , and at the Temple Gym when those famous Kevin Horton shots were taken , at the Olympia Dorian's prime is considered either 1993/1995 , McGough was there , Ronnie 1998 Olympia McGough was there , 2001 Arnold Classic McGough was there , he saw them compete at their primes NOT on the same stage obviously but at their respective primes yes absolutely , stop typing to the contrary to claim he is wrong and you are right simply based on an inaccurate means is the height of lunacy and stupidity , this my dim witted ' friend ' is better than your opinion based solely via pictures.
Now what will you do? all your nonsense has been address ( yet again ) all your tactics exposed as weak and inaccurate , what excuses will you cling to next?
bottom line Dorian Yates would beat Ronnie Coleman at his best because ( depending on the year )
The comparisons of the compulsory poses cannot be overemphasized
as these comparisons will help the judge to decide
which competitor has the superior physique from the standpoint of
muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density and
definition.he carries more muscular bulk ( Dorian at 257 pounds in 1993 , 260 pounds in 1995 and 269 pounds in 1993 ) compared to Ronnie's 247 pounds 1998 , 257 pounds 1999 and 245 pounds 2001 , advantage Dorian , although they're both 257 pounds at one point Dorian's 257 pounds is matched with unrivaled density which Ronnie at the same weight is lacking ( see the McGough quote on Dorian's conditioning specific to this argument )
He has better balance & proportion than Ronnie ANY year , I can post the quotes if you need me to?
He has better conditioning & density , see above for proof
and he's a better technical pose , this really isn't in dispute but Coleman fans are always looking for angles give it a few lol
Oh and he's more complete again stating the obvious
This is my argument I've proven my points via pictures , videos , eyewitness accounts and my own flair
you wont be able to counter this , they haven't been able to counter this because they can't because they don't know how the game is played , and neither do you , but I do .
Cliff Notes version - Dorian would beat Ronnie because he meets the criteria better .
