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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #38975 on: December 20, 2007, 11:22:14 AM »
Great comparison, Coleman's head is 1.5x the size of Yates and Coleman has a bigger waist too

first of all, Ronnie's head is the same size as Dorian's in that comparison. Lying to further your cause only makes you look like an idiot. Second, their waists are the same width. This is due to posing differences. Dorian sucks in his stomach and expands his rib cage in the front double biceps to emphasize his upper body while Ronnie crunches down to accentuate his abs, which makes his obliques bulge out.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #38976 on: December 20, 2007, 11:24:27 AM »
here's another front double biceps comparison.


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #38977 on: December 20, 2007, 11:31:39 AM »
WTF must dorians tiwgs measure. Ronnies look to be the size of his head.

Dorian's on the other hand, well.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #38978 on: December 20, 2007, 02:44:53 PM »

your mad man lol. you think dorian beats ronnie on everything? lol. ronnie has the best arms of all time , some of the best quads, hams, and glutes. and arguably the best chest and delts from sheer size and cuts perspective. dorian was mediocre everywhere except back and calves lol. keep dreaming. if you think better proportion trumps those muscles being mediocre with poor shape and insertions, with little seperation then you have no idea what your talking about. i agree dorian has better proportion, he does, his calves and forarms are in proportion with the rest of his body.

problem is his quads are horrible for a mr o, arms are sub par in the front and back with 1/10 the detail of ronnies in those shots, his delts are lagging, and his hams and glutes lag behind ronnies. he is a better proportionate inferior bodybuilder.

shit jay has better proportions then  ronnie from that view and dorian, since his calves are gigantic and his quads own dorians, but his parts as a whole and seperately are nothing compared to ronnies. he loses on the back, the quads(arguable) the hams, the glutes, the chest, the delts etc... just because ronnie has weak calves doesnt negate his all time best multiple bodyparts that dorian could never match.


dorian would never be on the list for best arms, never on the list for best quads, never on the list for best glutes, never on the list for best hams, and never on the list for best delts. ronnie would be. that indicates how much more quality ronnie has. its so fucking obvious from the shots, lol and polls.

Again you think this accumulation of parts results in a better physique and it doesn't , it doesn't work that way . the way it works is who meets ALL of the criteria in a given shot

The comparisons of the compulsory poses cannot be overemphasized
as these comparisons will help the judge to decide
which competitor has the superior physique from the standpoint of
muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density and
definition.


This is how the judges contests every single aspect if evaluated in each and every pose and while Ronnie does have some clear advantages in poses he does NOT satisfy this criteria better than Dorian as a whole

And I hate to break it to you sport Ronnie doesn't have the best arms of all time thats just another one of your blanket statements , Ronnie has some of the biggest ' arms ' of all time but best NO he has among the best biceps of all time , but triceps? NO forearms HELL NO proportion through out his arms NO

Some of the best quads? whats the purpose if the great quads are sitting on top of the worse calves? see how this works? hams? Dorian's leg biceps show just as good separation and development of both muscles as Ronnie's do , and his hams aren't in proportion with his massive quads this is evident in profile , glutes ? lol give me a break I love how you people cling to this like its a trump card , it may have been next to Flex who had smooth glutes but Dorian's are striated and they fit the rest of his physique . Ronnie's are so massively overdeveloped they can actually be seen from the front thats no advantage . the best chest? no quite his pecs are saggy and disappear in the front double biceps shot , delts? Ronnie delts are huge in fact so huge they obscure is side chest shot again whats the purpose if it ends up hurting a pose?

Again pay attention to this

The comparisons of the compulsory poses cannot be overemphasized
as these comparisons will help the judge to decide
which competitor has the superior physique from the standpoint of
muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density and
definition.


all of these are looked at in every single shot , while Ronnie has advantages over Yates in poses does he meet this criteria as a whole in every single pose? NO right off the bat Dorian has better balance & proportion , and he has another clear advantage in conditioning and density , what's left? muscular bulk Dorian has an advantage in this area as well depending on the year , couple that with posing and you have Yates beating Ronnie because he meets the criteria better.


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #38979 on: December 20, 2007, 02:47:06 PM »
here's another front double biceps comparison.



more garbage ' comparisons ' from Neo  I love how a 244 pound Ronnie is bigger than a 257 pound Yates lol and they're waists are comparable lmfao at least they're always good for a laugh .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #38980 on: December 20, 2007, 02:49:59 PM »
no, whats good for a laugh is how badly you guys have been owned on not only this thread, but the "dorian getting owned" thread as well.

hahahahaha

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #38981 on: December 20, 2007, 02:58:30 PM »
no, whats good for a laugh is how badly you guys have been owned on not only this thread, but the "dorian getting owned" thread as well.

hahahahaha



Hulkster owned how? Dorian has better conditioning & density than Ronnie , he has better balance & proportion than Ronnie , hell pumpster , usmoke and other even admit that lol depending on the year Dorian has the advantage in muscular bulk , and I don't think anyone's in dispute Dorian's a better technical poser how is anyone getting owned? lol

owned if you mean all you guys are basing Dorian lol that shows how weak your argument is lol but I've exposed that weakness eons ago.  ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #38982 on: December 20, 2007, 03:03:09 PM »
the board is not bashing dorian.

they are bashing the judging system - no one that looked like that should have got so many perfect scores and olympia wins post tear.

the board has spoken and backed up the argument with clear and concise pics showing the reality of the situation.

you don't like it.

simple as that.

go ahead and post quotes - it doesn't make the pics any less real - especially that many of them :o
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #38983 on: December 20, 2007, 03:23:45 PM »
more garbage ' comparisons ' from Neo  I love how a 244 pound Ronnie is bigger than a 257 pound Yates lol and they're waists are comparable lmfao at least they're always good for a laugh .

Nothin funnier than taking the bricklayer's double-flapjacks seriously.

The contrast with Dillet's great double-bi (that is comparable to Coleman's) is laughable.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #38984 on: December 20, 2007, 03:29:43 PM »
Front Double Biceps (see Figure 1)
Standing face front to the judges, with the legs and feet
in-line and a short distance apart, the competitor will raise
both arms to shoulder level and bend them at the elbows.
The hands should be clenched and turned down so as to
cause a contraction of the biceps and forearm muscles,
which are the main muscle groups that are to be assessed
in this pose. In addition, the competitor should attempt
to contract as many other muscles as possible as the
judges will be surveying the whole physique, from head to
toe.

The judge will first survey the biceps muscles looking for a
full, peaked development of the muscle, noting whether
or not there is a defined split between the anterior and
posterior sections of the biceps, and will continue the
head-to-toe survey by observing the development of the
forearms, deltoids, pectorals, pec-delt tie-ins, abdominals,
thighs, and calves. The judge will also look for muscle
density, definition, and overall balance.


This is the criteria specific to the front double biceps shot , I'm going to break this down for you

The hands should be clenched and turned down so as to
cause a contraction of the biceps and forearm muscles,
which are the main muscle groups that are to be assessed
in this pose.


now pay attention to this the ' main muscle group ' being assessed The judge will first survey the biceps muscles looking for a
full, peaked development of the muscle, noting whether
or not there is a defined split between the anterior and
posterior sections of the biceps,


Clear advantage for Ronnie Coleman his biceps are outstanding however notice the two main muscle groups in this pose are the biceps AND the forearms , Dorian has a clear cut advantage in the forearms over Ronnie just like Ronnie has a clear cut advantage in the biceps , Dorian's forearms are among the best ever in the history of bodybuilding , they have a better shape they insert lower near the wrist and they're in proportion with his biceps & triceps , Ronnie's are shaped like bowling pins and are akin to having high calves and they're most certainly NOT in proportion with his massive biceps/triceps

Any advantage in biceps Ronnie has is LOST due to Dorian's advantage in forearms , so its a push on the main muscle groups moving on to this rest of the pose

Deltoids in this shot a push neither in my opinion have a clear advantage over the other , pecs I would say Dorian has a slight advantage in this pose in the pecs because his don't go flat and they don't disappear in this particular pose , pec-delt tie-in , while Ronnie does have a better pec-delt tie-in it's not evident in this shot its more noticeable in the most muscular or the hands clasped most muscular so I would say a push , abdominals? Dorian I mean this isn't in dispute , well give Ronnie thighs just because he has better separation of the rectus femoris however this advantage in almost useless because notice the word calves clear advantage for Dorian coupled with the following

The judge will also look for muscle
density, definition, and overall balance.


muscle density Dorian end of sentence , definition which is conditioning advantage Dorian , overall balance Dorian , muscular bulk Dorian . so while Ronnie does have some clear cut advantages over Dorian in this pose as a WHOLE ( pay attention ) as a whole Dorian wins this pose

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #38985 on: December 20, 2007, 03:31:36 PM »
Nothin funnier than taking the bricklayer's double-flapjacks seriously.

The contrast with Dillet's great double-bi (that is comparable to Coleman's) is laughable.

Again how many contests did Dillett's great double bicep shot win him? stop trying to isolate what YOU think makes a shot great and considered how the judges do it .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #38986 on: December 20, 2007, 03:34:53 PM »
the board is not bashing dorian.

they are bashing the judging system - no one that looked like that should have got so many perfect scores and olympia wins post tear.

the board has spoken and backed up the argument with clear and concise pics showing the reality of the situation.

you don't like it.

simple as that.

go ahead and post quotes - it doesn't make the pics any less real - especially that many of them :o

Again the whole lot of you are arm-chair quaterbacks lol never even seen a pro contest and don't even know the rules , again you're claiming Dorian shouldn't have won with a perfect score in 1995 LMFAO NO ONE and I mean NO ONE agrees with other than the ignorant people with an axe to grind , 1995 was like 1993 it was NO CONTEST from anyone when you type these statements it just screams how little you know.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #38987 on: December 20, 2007, 03:53:54 PM »
more garbage ' comparisons ' from Neo  I love how a 244 pound Ronnie is bigger than a 257 pound Yates lol and they're waists are comparable lmfao at least they're always good for a laugh.

waah waah, go cry somewhere else you big baby. Ronnie has a narrower waist, smaller joints, and fuller muscles which create the illusion of added size. I've also posted quotes saying you have to see Ronnie in person to appreciate his physique. Pics don't do him justice. ;)

Team Flex – Flexonline.com, November 2004

“For whatever faults he may possess, Ronnie Coleman is quite possibly the most impressive physical specimen walking the earth today. Pictures do not do him justice. When he stands relaxed muscle literally hangs from his frame, as if his skin can no longer support the pendulous masses of flesh he has forged with untold tons of iron and steel. It’s difficult to imagine anyone surpassing Big Ron’s level of mass in this, or any, lifetime.”

John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia

"With his incredible thickness and muscle shape, Coleman doesn't need to weigh over 260 pounds on stage to look big. When he won the Arnold Classic last year, Ronnie only weighed 247 pounds but he looked like he weighed 20 pounds heavier."

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #38988 on: December 20, 2007, 03:59:47 PM »
03 Ronnie has better size, conditioning, and symmetry. I give Dorian the edge in proportion, though.




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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #38989 on: December 20, 2007, 04:02:52 PM »
waah waah, go cry somewhere else you big baby. Ronnie has a narrower waist, smaller joints, and fuller muscles which create the illusion of added size. I've also posted quotes saying you have to see Ronnie in person to appreciate how big he is. Pics don't do him justice. ;)

Team Flex – Flexonline.com, November 2004

“For whatever faults he may possess, Ronnie Coleman is quite possibly the most impressive physical specimen walking the earth today. Pictures do not do him justice. When he stands relaxed muscle literally hangs from his frame, as if his skin can no longer support the pendulous masses of flesh he has forged with untold tons of iron and steel. It’s difficult to imagine anyone surpassing Big Ron’s level of mass in this, or any, lifetime.”

John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia

"With his incredible thickness and muscle shape, Coleman doesn't need to weigh over 260 pounds on stage to look big. When he won the Arnold Classic last year, Ronnie only weighed 247 pounds but he looked like he weighed 20 pounds heavier."

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waah waah, go cry somewhere else you big baby. Ronnie has a narrower waist, smaller joints, and fuller muscles which create the illusion of added size. I've also posted quotes saying you have to see Ronnie in person to appreciate how big he is. Pics don't do him justice. ;)

No they're waists are comparable and in REALITY Neo they're not comparable thats how it works out , your comparisons are the result of delusional and hero-worship plain & simple

Oh and your quotes mean NOTHING and why?

I.F.B.B. judge Roger Schwab

Man-mountain Dorian Yates was certainly the top gun in the 1993 Mr Olympia shootout. He was much bigger , better and harder than ever , and while his is never the prettiest physique on stage , he's assuredly the most God-awful muscular superman this sport has yet seen. Though Yates was lighter than Lou Ferrigno or Paul Dillett , he appeared to be the biggest man on stage-by far- and the hardest , dominating from beginning to end and every step in between.


Oh snap a 275 pound Paul Dillett and a 318 Pound Lou Ferigno couldn't make a 257 pound Dorian look small yet a 244 pound Ronnie is lmmfao this makes sense to you? well of course it does look at the ' comparisons ' you make lol

go ahead and post the pics of Dillett & Ferrigno because neither tell the whole story and this quote is from an IFBB judge he would know .

So in essence what you're saying is a 244 pound Ronnie would dwarf a 318 pound Ferrigno lol I love your logic it always makes me laugh .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #38990 on: December 20, 2007, 04:07:13 PM »
03 Ronnie has better size, conditioning, and symmetry. I give Dorian the edge in proportion, though.





Better size? NO , no sorry slick better would mean DENSE conditioned size and we know 03 his conditioning left a lot to be desired especially compared to 01 and 98

conditioning? LMFAO I wont entertain such stupidity

proportion is part of symmetry and while Ronnie does have smaller joints and hips & waist this year was especially bad for Ronnie , his balance & proportion are at their all time worse old news

While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.



On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.

Stating what I've said many times , Ronnie 03 would look SOFT compared to Dorian .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #38991 on: December 20, 2007, 04:16:21 PM »
No they're waists are comparable and in REALITY Neo they're not comparable thats how it works out , your comparisons are the result of delusional and hero-worship plain & simple

I've already discussed the reason for their waists looking the same width. It's the result of posing differences. Dorian tends to expand his rib cage and suck in his stomach while Ronnie does the exact opposite to emphasize his abs (don't ask me why).

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Oh and your quotes mean NOTHING and why?

I.F.B.B. judge Roger Schwab

"Man-mountain Dorian Yates was certainly the top gun in the 1993 Mr Olympia shootout. He was much bigger , better and harder than ever , and while his is never the prettiest physique on stage , he's assuredly the most God-awful muscular superman this sport has yet seen. Though Yates was lighter than Lou Ferrigno or Paul Dillett , he appeared to be the biggest man on stage-by far- and the hardest , dominating from beginning to end and every step in between"

the source of your quote was referring to Dorian's aurora of invincibility that year. Anyone with a brain and 2 eyes can see that Dorian wasn't the same size as Lou Ferrigno or Paul Dillet, let alone bigger than them. You shouldn't take everything you read so literally. Here's a quote from a judge saying Ronnie developed muscles that haven't been discovered. I guess Ronnie suddenly grew new muscles. ::)

IFBB Official Kenny Kassel - Flex, Janurary 04

"Ronnie has managed to develop muscles that haven't been identified yet."

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #38992 on: December 20, 2007, 04:24:43 PM »
I've already discussed the reason for their waists looking the same width. It's the result of posing differences. Dorian tends to expand his rib cage and suck in his stomach while Ronnie does the exact opposite to emphasize his abs (don't ask me why).

the source of your quote was referring to Dorian's aurora of invincibility that year. Anyone with a brain and 2 eyes can see that Dorian wasn't the same size as Lou Ferrigno or Paul Dillet, let alone bigger than them. You shouldn't take everything you read so literally. Here's a quote from a judge saying Ronnie developed muscles that haven't been discovered. I guess Ronnie suddenly grew new muscles. ::)

IFBB Official Kenny Kassel - Flex, Janurary 04

"Ronnie has managed to develop muscles that haven't been identified yet."

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I've already discussed the reason for their waists looking the same width. It's the result of posing differences. Dorian tends to expand his rib cage and suck in his stomach while Ronnie does the exact opposite to emphasize his abs (don't ask me why).

thats the excuse you gave in reality it doesn't hold water , think of a new

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the source of your quote was referring to Dorian's aurora of invincibility that year. Anyone with a brain and 2 eyes can see that Dorian wasn't the same size as Lou Ferrigno or Paul Dillet, let alone bigger than them. You shouldn't take everything you read so literally. Here's a quote from a judge saying Ronnie developed muscles that haven't been discovered. I guess Ronnie suddenly grew new muscles. ::)

Neo did you miss the part where he where he said Dorian APPEARED to be , that has absolutely NOTHING to do with his aurora of invincibility if that was the case there would be NO NEED to mention two guys who specifically have a weight advantage on him , it's stating the obvious Dorian appeared to be the biggest man and my points still stands even these men who had serious size advantage couldn't make Dorian look small sure as hell a 244 pound man isn't going to do it not by a long shot , remember McGough words when you're super sharp you appear super big and in 1993 Dorian was super sharp and still bigger .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #38993 on: December 20, 2007, 04:25:58 PM »
Better size? NO , no sorry slick better would mean DENSE conditioned size and we know 03 his conditioning left a lot to be desired especially compared to 01 and 98

::)

Shawn Ray – 2003 Year in Review (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)

"Ridiculous" Ronnie Coleman would win his 6th Sandow Trophy in a row looking absolutely ridiculous! This guy was from another planet! Ronnie added about a million pounds of muscle from the previous year and squashed the competition on sheer MASS! Unbelievable is what Ronnie was this night!"

Team Flex – Flexonline.com, November 2004

“For whatever faults he may possess, Ronnie Coleman is quite possibly the most impressive physical specimen walking the earth today. Pictures do not do him justice. When he stands relaxed muscle literally hangs from his frame, as if his skin can no longer support the pendulous masses of flesh he has forged with untold tons of iron and steel. It’s difficult to imagine anyone surpassing Big Ron’s level of mass in this, or any, lifetime.”

Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004

"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."

Mike Matarazzo - Flex, January 2004

"Ronnie had so much dense muscle that it looked as though his skin could no longer hold it and he'd explode. His quads were so full and sense, they don't look real. He's an amazing individual, an amazing athlete. He's just a freak."

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conditioning? LMFAO I wont entertain such stupidity

you're comparing a smooth pre-contest Dorian to a prime contest Ronnie. Enough said.

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proportion is part of symmetry and while Ronnie does have smaller joints and hips & waist this year was especially bad for Ronnie , his balance & proportion are at their all time worse old news

don't argue with me. Argue with your hero, Dorian Yates.

Dorian Yates - Flex, October 2006

"Symmetry means one side is shaped the same as the other side--its mirror image. Balance means the mass of one side is equal to that of the other, even though their shapes, or symmetry, might differ. Proportion is nothing more than the relativity of parts and has nothing to do with either symmetry or balance."

according to Dorian, proportion has nothing to do with symmetry. So you can shut the f*ck up. ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #38994 on: December 20, 2007, 04:31:32 PM »
thats the excuse you gave in reality it doesn't hold water , think of a new

sorry but when my claim is backed up by visual evidence, then it does hold water. Think of a more witty response than simply disagreeing with me without providing a reason.

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Neo did you miss the part where he where he said Dorian APPEARED to be , that has absolutely NOTHING to do with his aurora of invincibility if that was the case there would be NO NEED to mention two guys who specifically have a weight advantage on him , it's stating the obvious Dorian appeared to be the biggest man and my points still stands even these men who had serious size advantage couldn't make Dorian look small sure as hell a 244 pound man isn't going to do it not by a long shot , remember McGough words when you're super sharp you appear super big and in 1993 Dorian was super sharp and still bigger.

if he's being serious (which I highly doubt), then I would gladly walk up to this guy you quoted and call him a dumbass to his face. You act like the words of an IFBB judge are the bible.






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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #38995 on: December 20, 2007, 06:20:31 PM »
::)

Shawn Ray – 2003 Year in Review (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)

"Ridiculous" Ronnie Coleman would win his 6th Sandow Trophy in a row looking absolutely ridiculous! This guy was from another planet! Ronnie added about a million pounds of muscle from the previous year and squashed the competition on sheer MASS! Unbelievable is what Ronnie was this night!"

Team Flex – Flexonline.com, November 2004

“For whatever faults he may possess, Ronnie Coleman is quite possibly the most impressive physical specimen walking the earth today. Pictures do not do him justice. When he stands relaxed muscle literally hangs from his frame, as if his skin can no longer support the pendulous masses of flesh he has forged with untold tons of iron and steel. It’s difficult to imagine anyone surpassing Big Ron’s level of mass in this, or any, lifetime.”

Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004

"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."

Mike Matarazzo - Flex, January 2004

"Ronnie had so much dense muscle that it looked as though his skin could no longer hold it and he'd explode. His quads were so full and sense, they don't look real. He's an amazing individual, an amazing athlete. He's just a freak."

you're comparing a smooth pre-contest Dorian to a prime contest Ronnie. Enough said.

don't argue with me. Argue with your hero, Dorian Yates.

Dorian Yates - Flex, October 2006

"Symmetry means one side is shaped the same as the other side--its mirror image. Balance means the mass of one side is equal to that of the other, even though their shapes, or symmetry, might differ. Proportion is nothing more than the relativity of parts and has nothing to do with either symmetry or balance."

according to Dorian, proportion has nothing to do with symmetry. So you can shut the f*ck up. ;)

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Shawn Ray – 2003 Year in Review (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)

"Ridiculous" Ronnie Coleman would win his 6th Sandow Trophy in a row looking absolutely ridiculous! This guy was from another planet! Ronnie added about a million pounds of muscle from the previous year and squashed the competition on sheer MASS! Unbelievable is what Ronnie was this night!"

Team Flex – Flexonline.com, November 2004

“For whatever faults he may possess, Ronnie Coleman is quite possibly the most impressive physical specimen walking the earth today. Pictures do not do him justice. When he stands relaxed muscle literally hangs from his frame, as if his skin can no longer support the pendulous masses of flesh he has forged with untold tons of iron and steel. It’s difficult to imagine anyone surpassing Big Ron’s level of mass in this, or any, lifetime.”

Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004

"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."

Mike Matarazzo - Flex, January 2004

"Ronnie had so much dense muscle that it looked as though his skin could no longer hold it and he'd explode. His quads were so full and sense, they don't look real. He's an amazing individual, an amazing athlete. He's just a freak."

Ronnie Coleman said his best Olympia was his first and why? because his conditioning was ' spot-on ' see the Peter McGough quote on Ronnie's conditioning vs previous showings and why his high water mark for conditioning is 1998/2001 and NOT 2003 , oh and while you're at it see this quote  ;)

While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.

On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.

Ronnie's conditioning 2003 was NOT among his best and NOT in Dorian Yates league

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you're comparing a smooth pre-contest Dorian to a prime contest Ronnie. Enough said.

smooth my ass his conditioning pre-contest was good enough to be in the top three of that years Olympia according to Kevin Horton and what does McGough have to say?

Peter McGough

He was 269 pounds of rock-hard shapely (yes, shapely) head-to-toe muscle. I had never seen anything like it.


Oh rock-hard , looks like Neo assessment on Dorian's conditioning is once again wrong . smooth my ass it's called density

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don't argue with me. Argue with your hero, Dorian Yates.

Dorian Yates - Flex, October 2006

"Symmetry means one side is shaped the same as the other side--its mirror image. Balance means the mass of one side is equal to that of the other, even though their shapes, or symmetry, might differ. Proportion is nothing more than the relativity of parts and has nothing to do with either symmetry or balance."

according to Dorian, proportion has nothing to do with symmetry. So you can shut the f*ck up. ;)

And what do they look at in the symmetry round? just a mirror image? Ummmmm NO they look at all of it so  its part and parcel of symmetry so nice try and Ronnie's symmetry in the context you cling to isn't better you think is calves are mirror images of each other? you think his arms are? or course not noting on the human body is a mirror image , and pay attention to the Bev Francis quote

Bev Francis : Bodybuilder's phsyique you most admire ?

The man Dorian Yates , his combonation of size and shape makes for an awesome physique , unlike a lot of big guys he's not a load of massive parts just thrown together , His symmetry is almost perfect , Everything is in proportion , no weak bodyparts .


do you think she's referring to his outstanding mirrored bodyparts? NO nice try though symmetry in bodybuilding is a broad term

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #38996 on: December 20, 2007, 06:24:21 PM »
nd cant you see how pointless the quotes are? fuck your a moron. ronnie is better in the comparisons via pictures, thats not debatable, its obvious. then neo is posting quotes which contradict your quotes and yours contradict his.

you have some serious mental issues if you think dorian was harder and bigger then this. he glutes and hams are more conditioned at this bodyweight then dorians have ever been. and talking about size is pointless, ronnie would absolutely dwarf doughian.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #38997 on: December 20, 2007, 06:25:56 PM »
Nice loose skin and fat on Ronnie's lower back

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #38998 on: December 20, 2007, 06:26:53 PM »
sorry but when my claim is backed up by visual evidence, then it does hold water. Think of a more witty response than simply disagreeing with me without providing a reason.

if he's being serious (which I highly doubt), then I would gladly walk up to this guy you quoted and call him a dumbass to his face. You act like the words of an IFBB judge are the bible.



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sorry but when my claim is backed up by visual evidence, then it does hold water. Think of a more witty response than simply disagreeing with me without providing a reason.

LMFAO visual evidence YOU MADE get the fuck out of here you idiot , biased moronic comparisons you dream of how the two would appear and nothing more

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if he's being serious (which I highly doubt), then I would gladly walk up to this guy you quoted and call him a dumbass to his face. You act like the words of an IFBB judge are the bible.

Wow a couple of pictures that prove nothing , where you there for the two hour pre-judging? where you there for the evening show? yeah I thought so , and the words of an IFBB judge is holy scripture compared to your stupidity , like Hulkster you're always in conflict with the professionals who were actually there and who know what to look for

Ronnie at among his smallest 244 pounds is NOT going to dwarf a 257 pound Dorian or a 269 pound Dorian no way in hell only in your comparisons and dreams

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #38999 on: December 20, 2007, 06:27:47 PM »
i love this comparison too. one person as nd admits has loose skin that has been acknowledged. yet the other has wrinkles and not loose skin, yet they appear to be mirror images. strange? not to nd, it doesnt exist because he cannot find the quote.