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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #41025 on: May 24, 2008, 08:27:48 PM »
I already addressed this issue. You would know this if you read my response to IceCold. ;)

  Sure, because Sergio at 240 lbs had bigger arms than Dorian had at 260 lbs. See how stupid your arguments are? It's obvious that Sergio's overwhelming arm size is to a great extent the result of illusion, just like Flex Wheeler. This one of your attempts at logic, just like when you tried to prove that Ronnie has low triceps by using the fact that he has striations in his tendom as evidence.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #41026 on: May 24, 2008, 09:09:44 PM »
Sure, because Sergio at 240 lbs had bigger arms than Dorian had at 260 lbs. See how stupid your arguments are? It's obvious that Sergio's overwhelming arm size is to a great extent the result of illusion, just like Flex Wheeler. This one of your attempts at logic, just like when you tried to prove that Ronnie has low triceps by using the fact that he has striations in his tendom as evidence.

tsk tsk, what part of arms relative to head size don't you understand? I'm not comparing arms to torso. So bodyweight is irrelevant.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #41027 on: May 24, 2008, 09:32:24 PM »
tsk tsk, what part of arms relative to head size don't you understand? I'm not comparing arms to torso. So bodyweight is irrelevant.

  Tsk tsk...what part of you tried to argue that Sergio's arms were bigger than Dorian's based on pics while we all know, that Sergio's smaller frame and longer muscle bellies, gives him an illusion of size didn't you understand?

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #41028 on: May 24, 2008, 10:04:21 PM »
Tsk tsk...what part of you tried to argue that Sergio's arms were bigger than Dorian's based on pics while we all know, that Sergio's smaller frame and longer muscle bellies, gives him an illusion of size didn't you understand?

ha ha ha ha, you're such a dumbf*ck. What does frame and longer muscle bellies have to do with head size?

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #41029 on: May 25, 2008, 04:36:45 AM »
Just to clarify, Dorian had 20.3 inch arms in the offseason where he weighed 295lbs. So obviously his arms at 260lbs shredded were more likely to be 18.5 to 19.5 inches.

According to Flex magazine Yate's arms measured 21.8 inches in the offseason where he weighed 295lbs. Someone from Flex measured his arms cold and that was the result. I'm sure I still have the magazine with the article.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #41030 on: May 25, 2008, 04:44:55 AM »
According to Flex magazine Yate's arms measured 21.8 inches in the offseason where he weighed 295lbs. Someone from Flex measured his arms cold and that was the result. I'm sure I still have the magazine with the article.

Look at those fucking calves...

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #41031 on: May 25, 2008, 10:54:34 AM »
Look at those fucking calves...

And forearms. I bet Ronnie Coleman wishes he could have had forearms like that but all he had was bowling pins. LOL

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #41032 on: May 25, 2008, 11:13:43 AM »
And forearms. I bet Ronnie Coleman wishes he could have had forearms like that but all he had was bowling pins. LOL

oh snap, aren't you clever! ::)












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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #41033 on: May 25, 2008, 11:14:57 AM »
And forearms. I bet Ronnie Coleman wishes he could have had forearms like that but all he had was bowling pins. LOL

Again, cut at the knee. Smart move!

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #41034 on: May 25, 2008, 11:50:53 AM »
oh snap, aren't you clever! ::)













How come you never post this shot of Yates hitting the front double biceps? Are you afraid of it? It beats any shot of Coleman.



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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #41035 on: May 25, 2008, 11:56:53 AM »
How come you never post this shot of Yates hitting the front double biceps? Are you afraid of it? It beats any shot of Coleman.

why would I be afraid of that pic? Dorian looks massive there but his arms don't match and he's smooth as a baby's ass. Here are shots of Ronnie looking more impressive.










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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #41036 on: May 25, 2008, 01:02:46 PM »
dorian couldn't carry ronnie's gym bag:
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #41037 on: May 25, 2008, 01:39:12 PM »
According to Flex magazine Yate's arms measured 21.8 inches in the offseason where he weighed 295lbs. Someone from Flex measured his arms cold and that was the result. I'm sure I still have the magazine with the article.


Please, its Flex magazine. They're notorious for exaggerrating lifts and measurements



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For what it's worth...

A friend of mine (credible guy, someone I would believe) met Dorian Yates at a seminar in Belfast just after the '93 Olympia. I don't have any verification of this story, but I'll tell it for what it's worth...

Yates was at his best ever, no tears... no injuries... and 295 lbs with a hint of abs.

They got to talking after the seminar... Yates mentioned that having overdieted in '92 he had been a little less drastic in '93 which resulted in him coming in some 15 lbs heavier. But that he had been contest ready nearly a month out from his second Mr O win and that next year ('94, not realising he'd be injured) he hoped to diet less and come in around 270 ripped.

My friend mentioned FLEX Wheeler's claim of a 23.5'' arm at 220 lbs in contest form... Yates laughed and replied that at 295 lbs off-season his arms only barely broke the 20'' mark (20.125'') when he finished a bicep workout. (Apparently Yates was very fastidious about measurements and records)

To add credence to that story, the Guinness Book of Records people measured Greg Valentino's synthol filled growths live on tv... the result: 24.5'' and 24'' does tha tally with Arnold having 23'' or 22'' arms?
If your arm actually measured more than 22'' you'd be able to touch your bicep peak with the index finger of that same arm.


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #41038 on: May 25, 2008, 02:09:03 PM »
dorian couldn't carry ronnie's gym bag:


i guess you were living in a hole (or canada) for 7 years: 92-97.

the seventh year counting when in 98, coleman still said yates would beat him.

in two years, you still have not learned that a contest and one's career is soley based on the most muscular.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #41039 on: May 25, 2008, 08:03:58 PM »
ha ha ha ha, you're such a dumbf*ck. What does frame and longer muscle bellies have to do with head size?

  I love it when you resort to personal insults. It shows your frustration level and that you are unable to debate me. ;) And I find it funny that a guy who graduated as a personal trainer would call anyone dumb. When I tink personal trainer I usually associate it with gym teachers and other not so bright members of Society.

  Anyway, what does head size have to do with frame and mucle belly lengh? Absolutely nothing, but this was not my argument in the first place. My point is that you tried to make the case that Oliva had arms bigger than Dorian while weighting less, and I pointed out to you that Oliva's arms look muhc larger than they truly are due to his small frame and incredibly long muscle bellies. In terms of actual measurements, Oliva's and Dorian's arms were roughly the same size. ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #41040 on: May 25, 2008, 11:22:41 PM »
I love it when you resort to personal insults. It shows your frustration level and that you are unable to debate me. And I find it funny that a guy who graduated as a personal trainer would call anyone dumb. When I tink personal trainer I usually associate it with gym teachers and other not so bright members of Society.

don't flatter yourself, kiddo. If you act like a dumbf*ck, then I will address you as such. I assure you I'm fully capable of debating you hence why I provided more substance in my post than a simple insult. Oh right, you probably missed that part b/c you were too busy thinking of a clever response only to fail miserably. Furthermore, learn to read you illiterate baboon. I have a bachelor's degree in Exercise Physiology. Show me where I said I graduated as a personal trainer. Good luck! ;)

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Anyway, what does head size have to do with frame and mucle belly lengh? Absolutely nothing, but this was not my argument in the first place. My point is that you tried to make the case that Oliva had arms bigger than Dorian while weighting less, and I pointed out to you that Oliva's arms look muhc larger than they truly are due to his small frame and incredibly long muscle bellies. In terms of actual measurements, Oliva's and Dorian's arms were roughly the same size.

you tell me what head size has to do with frame and muscle belly length since you are the moron who responded to my original post.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #41041 on: May 28, 2008, 05:44:15 PM »
don't flatter yourself, kiddo. If you act like a dumbf*ck, then I will address you as such. I assure you I'm fully capable of debating you hence why I provided more substance in my post than a simple insult. Oh right, you probably missed that part b/c you were too busy thinking of a clever response only to fail miserably.

 Lmao...first, I didn't have to think about, and secondly, who said I failed? It is pretty damn funny to make fun of a guy who graduated in "exercise physiology"(read "couldn't get into medical school or the hardcore biological sciences, like biochemistry or genetics") and yet loves to brag about his intelligence and knowledge. ;) And you are mistaken that you can debate me. Your posts are nothing more than fallacies, full of double-standards, strawman arguments and appeal to authority. I have debated people who are far more intellectually acute and cultured than you in much more serious boards than this, on topics far more serious than this one, and was not only able to hold my own but also to convince them that they were wrong, so you have nothing on me.

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Furthermore, learn to read you illiterate baboon. I have a bachelor's degree in Exercise Physiology. Show me where I said I graduated as a personal trainer. Good luck! ;)

  Lololololololololol...yo u did say that you are a "certified personal trainer", which, frankly, is pretty much all you can do with your pathetic degree in exercise physiology. ;)

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you tell me what head size has to do with frame and muscle belly length since you are the moron who responded to my original post.

  You amazing noob...this was not my point of contention, so you once again you are wrong - as usual. You tried to make the case the Sergio Oliva's arms were bigger than Dorian's by posting a photographic comparison. A counter argued that Dorian's arms are arguably bigger given his higher bodyweight, and that Oliva's arms appear bigger due to his smaller frame and longer muscle bellies. I don't give a fuck about the head size, and I don't even know why you brought that up since your point is stupid regardless.

 

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #41042 on: May 28, 2008, 06:48:57 PM »
Lmao...first, I didn't have to think about, and secondly, who said I failed?

you failed when you claimed I had to resort to personal insults b/c I'm incapable of debating you. This is obviously untrue since I provided more substance (which you conveniently ignored) in the same post. Lying and being caught = fail. ;)

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It is pretty damn funny to make fun of a guy who graduated in "exercise physiology"(read "couldn't get into medical school or the hardcore biological sciences, like biochemistry or genetics") and yet loves to brag about his intelligence and knowledge. And you are mistaken that you can debate me. Your posts are nothing more than fallacies, full of double-standards, strawman arguments and appeal to authority. I have debated people who are far more intellectually acute and cultured than you in much more serious boards than this, on topics far more serious than this one, and was not only able to hold my own but also to convince them that they were wrong, so you have nothing on me.

I have a B.S. degree in Exercise Phsiology, which is the equivalent to pre-med at FSU. I took biology, chemistry, organic, physics, genetics, micro, and metab. So I don't know wtf you are talking about. You're seriously mistaken if you think I'm a simpleton who majored in Physical Education. I'm glad you think you have debated more intelligent people than me. I never claimed to be the smartest. However, I can honestly say I'm more intelligent than you judging by the poor logic and reading comprehension demonstrated in your posts.

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Lololololololololol...you did say that you are a "certified personal trainer", which, frankly, is pretty much all you can do with your pathetic degree in exercise physiology.

sure, that's why I'm applying for Physician Assistant school this summer. ::)

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You amazing noob...this was not my point of contention, so you once again you are wrong - as usual. You tried to make the case the Sergio Oliva's arms were bigger than Dorian's by posting a photographic comparison. A counter argued that Dorian's arms are arguably bigger given his higher bodyweight, and that Oliva's arms appear bigger due to his smaller frame and longer muscle bellies. I don't give a fuck about the head size, and I don't even know why you brought that up since your point is stupid regardless.

I don't give a shit about your "point of contention" b/c it's irrelevant. Head size has nothing to do with frame and muscle belly length. If you want to address my argument, then explain how Dorian's arms are supposedly larger despite being considerably smaller than his head compared to Sergio.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #41043 on: May 28, 2008, 06:58:33 PM »
Man, Dorian looks fucking incredible in this shot - like stone - far superior to anything Ronnie ever produced.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #41044 on: May 28, 2008, 08:05:02 PM »
Man, Dorian looks fucking incredible in this shot - like stone - far superior to anything Ronnie ever produced.



 his arms, delts and quads have almost no detail whatsoever LOL

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do you actually believe this bullshit that you type? ::)
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #41045 on: May 28, 2008, 08:06:53 PM »
Man, Dorian looks fucking incredible in this shot - like stone - far superior to anything Ronnie ever produced.

::) ::) ::)


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #41046 on: May 28, 2008, 08:28:33 PM »
Nice job cutting the twigs off. Ronnie's proportions were absolutely horrible in 2003 along with the very watery back. To match his 98 condition (his best ever) he would have weighed maybe 270 in 2003.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #41047 on: May 28, 2008, 08:38:58 PM »
you failed when you claimed I had to resort to personal insults b/c I'm incapable of debating you. This is obviously untrue since I provided more substance (which you conveniently ignored) in the same post. Lying and being caught = fail. ;)

  No, this is what you don't understand. Your post had no content. Saying that Sergio's arms are bigger because they look bigger, which is what you claimed, is just retarded. Sorry. Just like when you claimed that Ronnie's triceps attach lower, when in reality it is obvious that Ronnie has high triceps, something that has been pointed out in FLEX and MuscleMag several times.

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I have a B.S. degree in Exercise Phsiology, which is the equivalent to pre-med at FSU. I took biology, chemistry, organic, physics, genetics, micro, and metab. So I don't know wtf you are talking about. You're seriously mistaken if you think I'm a simpleton who majored in Physical Education. I'm glad you think you have debated more intelligent people than me. I never claimed to be the smartest.


  Are you also "toying" with me after writing this lenghy reply defending yourself? ;) People who are secure in themselves don't need to defend themselves. So don't try be pretend that you're cool and on top of the situation because I obviously have affected you emotionally with my posts.

  And sincerely, if you have managed to get into medical school, I think they should sue the A.M.A because this low quality control of applicants will result in lots of people being killed by medical malpractice in the future.

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However, I can honestly say I'm more intelligent than you judging by the poor logic and reading comprehension demonstrated in your posts.

  Do quit the internet snobbery, will ya? Your argumentative techniques already make you look stupid, and I am glad that you think you're more intelligent than me, because I am glad to allow people like you think that. I see it as a charitable act on my part.

  You claim my posts have no logic, and yet you you apply different standards when comparing bodybuilders(see when you posted a comparison of Dorian's arms at their smallest and cuttest to those of Ronnie when they were at their biggest and softest), you try to argue that visual assessment is an accurate way of making measurements(like claiming that Oliva had arms bigger than Dorian's because they look bigger), or when you tried to claim that Ronnie's victory over Jay in 2003 was a more dominant win than that of Dorian over Levrone, even though everyone knows that it is much harder to defeat Kevin than Cutler. Most of your "arguments" boil down to semantics, and just like a deconstructionist you try to rip apart your opponent's argument word by word and changing the contextual meaning of words to make them mean what you want. Your posts are laughable at best, and you should feel lucky that I take my time to reply to them.

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I don't give a shit about your "point of contention" b/c it's irrelevant. Head size has nothing to do with frame and muscle belly length. If you want to address my argument, then explain how Dorian's arms are supposedly larger despite being considerably smaller than his head compared to Sergio.

  No, my point of contention is not irrelevant, because I have the right to point out your stupidity if I want to. I was never replying to the content of your post in the first place, so stop bringing this up as if it has any importance to what I'm saying.

  As for the content of your post, maybe Dorian's head is just bigger than Sergio's.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #41048 on: May 28, 2008, 09:10:19 PM »
No, this is what you don't understand. Your post had no content. Saying that Sergio's arms are bigger because they look bigger, which is what you claimed, is just retarded. Sorry.

hey dumbass, I said Sergio's arms look bigger in proportion to his head compared to Dorian's. Both men are roughly the same height (5'9" vs. 5'10", respectively). So the difference in head size is negligible.

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Are you also "toying" with me after writing this lenghy reply defending yourself? People who are secure in themselves don't need to defend themselves. So don't try be pretend that you're cool and on top of the situation because I obviously have affected you emotionally with my posts.

It is my nature to correct people who are wrong. You spoke on a matter which you know nothing about (e.g. Exercise Physiology). So I corrected you in order to spare you from any future embarrassment.

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No, my point of contention is not irrelevant, because I have the right to point out your stupidity if I want to. I was never replying to the content of your post in the first place, so stop bringing this up as if it has any importance to what I'm saying.

your argument is irrelevant in this case b/c it has nothing to do with head size. Frame and muscle belly length vary from individual to individual even when they are the same height. However, head size is fairly constant. This is why I chose to compare arms relative to head size.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #41049 on: May 28, 2008, 09:13:13 PM »
why would I be afraid of that pic? Dorian looks massive there but his arms don't match and he's smooth as a baby's ass. Here are shots of Ronnie looking more impressive.











It's Ronnie who looked smooth, not Dorian. Delusional.