Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[Earl1972]

great post the only think ronnie beat dorian on was biceps,

quads, hams, glutes, arms, chest, shoulders, and back

dorian has better calves and abs

most in the industry call ronnie the GOAT, i don't see anybody say that about dorian

every pic comparison with the two on youtube has ronnie winning, most have phil beating or tying dorian

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[harmankardon1]

quads, hams, glutes, arms, chest, shoulders, and back

dorian has better calves and abs

most in the industry call ronnie the GOAT, i don't see anybody say that about dorian

every pic comparison with the two on youtube has ronnie winning, most have phil beating or tying dorian

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Dorian would destroy Phil..

PHIL was so bunched up and narrow and two inches shorter than Dorian also Dorian was way harder and bigger, that people even think for a second even 2011 Phil could stand next to Dorian shows they don't know bbing.

Dorian beat all the 90's legends every year.. flex, Kevin, Ray etc, he would have dispatched Phil with the same ease.

[m8]

Ah yes, this thread. Reminds me of the good old days. How the fuck has it been 14 years already? FUCK.

Best Mr.Olympia winner showing.: 1993. GOAT : DY.

One of the best physiques, must have been a sight to see in person (no homo)

[Earl1972]

Dorian would destroy Phil..

PHIL was so bunched up and narrow and two inches shorter than Dorian also Dorian was way harder and bigger, that people even think for a second even 2011 Phil could stand next to Dorian shows they don't know bbing.

Dorian beat all the 90's legends every year.. flex, Kevin, Ray etc, he would have dispatched Phil with the same ease.

shawn ray stood next to dorian and many people thought he beat him in 94

yet phil who is much bigger and more complete would get destroyed by dorian?

phil would beat all of those guys too, with ease

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[illuminati]

shawn ray stood next to dorian and many people thought he beat him in 94

yet phil who is much bigger and more complete would get destroyed by dorian?

phil would beat all of those guys too, with ease

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Many many People Thought Killary would Win & Be POTUS.
They were Also were Wrong

[harmankardon1]

shawn ray stood next to dorian and many people thought he beat him in 94

yet phil who is much bigger and more complete would get destroyed by dorian?

phil would beat all of those guys too, with ease

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But shawn didn't beat Yates? "Many people thought" doesn't mean anything, what the judges think does.

[Earl1972]

But shawn didn't beat Yates? "Many people thought" doesn't mean anything, what the judges think does.

the fact that people even thought it was an argument should tell you phil wouldn't get "destroyed" by dorian

the small stumpy looking guy stood next to dorian and didn't look out of place

yet the bigger, harder, freakier more complete guy would get "destroyed", 90's nostalgia is completely out of control here

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[The Scott]

Ah yes, this thread. Reminds me of the good old days. How the fuck has it been 14 years already? FUCK.


One of the best physiques, must have been a sight to see in person (no homo)

Because Time waits for no schmoe...

[illuminati]

the fact that people even thought it was an argument should tell you phil wouldn't get "destroyed" by dorian

the small stumpy looking guy stood next to dorian and didn't look out of place

yet the bigger, harder, freakier more complete guy would get "destroyed", 90's nostalgia is completely out of control here

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Opinions Vary

And Judges Judge.

Granted Phil was good at the 1st Few Olympia’s
I’m not sure any version of Phil would’ve Beat an 09 Jay.

Who really Cares anyway. They were all very good at their Peak.

[oldtimer1]

Both of them destroyed their bodies but Coleman's injuries are way worst. Dorian's worst injuries are a destroyed tricep and bicep. Coleman is a cripple.

[illuminati]

Both of them destroyed their bodies but Coleman's injuries are way worst. Dorian's worst injuries are a destroyed tricep and bicep. Coleman is a cripple.

Dorian acknowledged his training method close to competing was to blame.
And Stated he would’ve modified it with hindsight.

Sadly Ronnie is Still Non the Wiser & Ploughing On Regardless & Decimating His Body.

[Royalty]

shawn ray stood next to dorian and many people thought he beat him in 94

yet phil who is much bigger and more complete would get destroyed by dorian?

phil would beat all of those guys too, with ease

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And the fact that Phil repeatedly defeated a 265LB Kai Greene bodes well for your point that Heath could stand next to Dorian

[Rambone]

Do any of the 1756 pages touch on the fact that Mr. Bev Francis was letting Dorian stay at his house, train with him at his gym, help him pump up backstage, oil him up, and then judge him? Seems fair and unbiased! Ronnie wins!

[SOMEPARTS]

Still waiting for Ronnie Coleman on Joe Rogan. Imagine 3 hours of dat dere...


Dorian +1

[TheShape.]

Dorian had weak arms and chest, Ronnie has him beat on everything except calves.

[njflex]

 

[Earl1972]

Opinions Vary

And Judges Judge.

Granted Phil was good at the 1st Few Olympia’s
I’m not sure any version of Phil would’ve Beat an 09 Jay.

Who really Cares anyway. They were all very good at their Peak.

every version of jay had a shitty back with wrinkles in the lower part, while phil's flaws you have to nitpick

phil beats him in every pose except abs and thighs and maybe most muscular

timing was everything for jay

too young to compete against dorian, young enough to take the crown against a worn out ronnie, wins the O when the best competition was branch friggin warren and dexter, loses but "wins" because victor martinez did time in jail, all before phil becomes phil

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[harmankardon1]

And the fact that Phil repeatedly defeated a 265LB Kai Greene bodes well for your point that Heath could stand next to Dorian

Kai legit beat heath in 2014 and was better 13 night show and was very close in 2012... They were never letting mr grapefruit take the O so there was politicking going on there.....

Where's had Phil had to take on Dorian the politicking would have been not as in his favour.

[illuminati]

every version of jay had a shitty back with wrinkles in the lower part, while phil's flaws you have to nitpick

phil beats him in every pose except abs and thighs and maybe most muscular

timing was everything for jay

too young to compete against dorian, young enough to take the crown against a worn out ronnie, wins the O when the best competition was branch friggin warren and dexter, loses but "wins" because victor martinez did time in jail, all before phil becomes phil

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Very cleary you do really care. 🙄
And that’s your entitlement.

What about Phil’s Narrow shoulder width / pecs / Large Head / 2 abs
Plenty not so good about him.

Still opinions Vary.

[Earl1972]

Very cleary you do really care. 🙄
And that’s your entitlement.

What about Phil’s Narrow shoulder width / pecs / Large Head / 2 abs
Plenty not so good about him.

Still opinions Vary.

entitlement?  huh?

your flaws are nitpicking, he is strong in every pose and dominant in most

dorian - shitty arms with one torn for most of his reign, strange looking quads with smallish hams compared to phil and ronnie, wide truck driver waist, soft looking hams and glutes compared to phil and ronnie, very poor muscle separation from the front, horrendous most muscular pose which lucky for him wasn't a mandatory at the time, strongest body part is calves which has never made a difference in winning or losing any pose

ronnie - flat looking triceps, worst abs of all time, horrendous abs/thighs and side tricep pose, bad poser

jay - extremely blocky frame with zero aesthetics, zero lower back with wrinkles, lacks separation and detail in upper back, unsymmetrical quads, soft small looking hams compared to phil and ronnie, oil in arms, chest looks tiny in side chest pose, lack of separation and detail in upper body, his best pose the quad stomp is not a mandatory

every guy has flaws, phil has the least, only ronnie would beat him due to more freakiness if all are at their best

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[Montague]

entitlement?  huh?

your flaws are nitpicking, he is strong in every pose and dominant in most

dorian - shitty arms with one torn for most of his reign, strange looking quads with smallish hams compared to phil and ronnie, wide truck driver waist, soft looking hams and glutes compared to phil and ronnie, very poor muscle separation from the front, horrendous most muscular pose which lucky for him wasn't a mandatory at the time, strongest body part is calves which has never made a difference in winning or losing any pose

ronnie - flat looking triceps, worst abs of all time, horrendous abs/thighs and side tricep pose, bad poser

jay - extremely blocky frame with zero aesthetics, zero lower back with wrinkles, lacks separation and detail in upper back, unsymmetrical quads, soft small looking hams compared to phil and ronnie, oil in arms, chest looks tiny in side chest pose, lack of separation and detail in upper body, his best pose the quad stomp is not a mandatory

every guy has flaws, phil has the least, only ronnie would beat him due to more freakiness if all are at their best

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Jesus...

You've just reminded me that this is "almost" a bodybuilding forum.

[johnny1]

entitlement?  huh?

your flaws are nitpicking, he is strong in every pose and dominant in most

dorian - shitty arms with one torn for most of his reign, strange looking quads with smallish hams compared to phil and ronnie, wide truck driver waist, soft looking hams and glutes compared to phil and ronnie, very poor muscle separation from the front, horrendous most muscular pose which lucky for him wasn't a mandatory at the time, strongest body part is calves which has never made a difference in winning or losing any pose

ronnie - flat looking triceps, worst abs of all time, horrendous abs/thighs and side tricep pose, bad poser

jay - extremely blocky frame with zero aesthetics, zero lower back with wrinkles, lacks separation and detail in upper back, unsymmetrical quads, soft small looking hams compared to phil and ronnie, oil in arms, chest looks tiny in side chest pose, lack of separation and detail in upper body, his best pose the quad stomp is not a mandatory

every guy has flaws, phil has the least, only ronnie would beat him due to more freakiness if all are at their best

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Thats not how it works criteria wise picking who has “better” body parts then saying this that and the next guy could beat a PRIME 93, 95 Yates because if it was he would of lost every Mr Olympia he ever competed in, he won primary because of his skeletal structure, muscle distribution and the way that presented in relation too how the competition compared, muscle part for muscle part Yates would of conceded too most the other top six in his era but that isn’t how someone wins he was dominant because of how it ALL came together on his structure in relation too the best of the era.

With due respect too Heath he wouldn’t beat a prime Yates for a lot of the same reasons guys like Ray, flex and others didn’t...Too big too hard too imposing and knew how too display all of that on a far superior skeletal structure than anyone before or since heath included.

[Earl1972]

Thats not how it works criteria wise picking who has “better” body parts then saying this that and the next guy could beat a PRIME 93, 95 Yates because if it was he would of lost every Mr Olympia he ever competed in, he won primary because of his skeletal structure, muscle distribution and the way that presented in relation too how the competition compared, muscle part for muscle part Yates would of conceded too most the other top six in his era but that isn’t how someone wins he was dominant because of how it ALL came together on his structure in relation too the best of the era.

With due respect too Heath he wouldn’t beat a prime Yates for a lot of the same reasons guys like Ray, flex and others didn’t...Too big too hard too imposing and knew how too display all of that on a far superior skeletal structure than anyone before or since heath included.

dorian won because the competition couldn't match his back, it carried him through even most of the front poses so yes one body part can make a huge difference, take away that back he's just a less conditioned andreas munzer

you say 90's guys had better body parts than dorian, well which of those guys had better back than phil?  better legs?  better glutes?  better arms?  better shoulders?  better conditioning?  his chest doesn't look great in front lat spread but looks better than all of them in side chest

they had better abs than phil, but they also had better abs than dorian and ronnie

phil's back isn't as wide as dorian's but it is more detailed while having better arms, hams, and glutes making him look more complete than dorian

i've never seen any talk of oil or escilene with phil like the other 90's guys

phil is the most complete bodybuilder ever

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[johnny1]

dorian won because the competition couldn't match his back, it carried him through even most of the front poses so yes one body part can make a huge difference, take away that back he's just a less conditioned andreas munzer

you say 90's guys had better body parts than dorian, well which of those guys had better back than phil?  better legs?  better glutes?  better arms?  better shoulders?  better conditioning?  his chest doesn't look great in front lat spread but looks better than all of them in side chest

they had better abs than phil, but they also had better abs than dorian and ronnie

phil's back isn't as wide as dorian's but it is more detailed while having better arms, hams, and glutes making him look more complete than dorian

i've never seen any talk of oil or escilene with phil like the other 90's guys

phil is the most complete bodybuilder ever

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Again your making reference too who can “match” or better so and sos body parts, if we are too go bye your way of breaking down body parts in reference too heath vs Yates why not make reference too how much more important ether of those 2 actual structures work in relation too THEMSELVES in that you might find a different conclusion too who has a “better” body parts competition

One guy has outrageous bolloning shoulders that over power his naturally narrow shoulder girth/width/structure, his outrageous arms are way too big for his structure in certain mandatorys so much so that the reason he usually hits the hands clasped MM is because the conventional MM his chest literally disappears along with quarter turns etc, his waist when hitting mandatorys like the FDB, the FLS the an/thigh etc doesn’t give that same outrageous look simply because his actual skeletal structure is now on full frontal display...

he looks bunched up...almost awkward because of it, by rights his FDB should look incredible as should his FLS, it doesn’t because of his structure flaws and THAT would be evident against someone as dominant as a prime complete Yates (1993 or 95)

Having superior muscle belly’s with more visually “pop” or “better” glutes or quad sweep doesn’t mean he’s more complete than Yates going bye that logic Kevin levrone had superior muscle shape outrageous muscle fullness etc as did flex wheeler, Nasser and dillet and others with superior body parts

Ive always push the point of ones own skeletal structure in relation too it ITSELF...is how it works before you start comparing physiques and again those 2 physiques...@ that level between those 2...those body parts have too sit well on the structure and too that point there’s no comparison it would be a bigger version of Shawn ray all over again and the results would remain the same imo.