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72 Minutes that may influence your vote (not a 72 min vid lol)
« on: September 03, 2024, 09:01:17 AM »
I recently read "Nuclear War" by Anne Jacobson.

It's a pretty sobering book and I highly recommend it.

Anne Jacobson extensively researched nuclear war scenarios and how our system works. She interviews former generals, defense secretaries, scientists, etc.   

In a nutshell, at the beginning of the nuclear age, there were only 2 countries that possessed nukes.  Now there are 9.  One of these countries is North Korea which has an estimated 50+ nukes. 

She takes us through a possible scenario using the mad kind concept where North Korea launches a nuke at Washington DC.

Presently, the way the system is set up, is we will have full confirmation a nuke is heading our way about 8 minutes after launch (our satellites will pick up the rocket blast nearly instantly), after which the POTUS has about 6 minutes to decide whether to strike back and how many nukes we strike back with.  The problem is, the ICBMs we send have to fly over Russia and their early warning systems are not as good as ours and they will likely think we are attacking them.

We have a "launch on warning" policy meaning that if we think ICBMs are heading our way (which can't be recalled BTW), we will launch our own ICBMs.  Russia has the same policy. 

There have been numerous close calls and false alarms over the years.

In the scenario, through a series of miscommunications, lack of good radar, and overall chaos, it ends in full-scale nuclear war and the annihilation of about 5 billion people.   

This all happens in 72 minutes. 72 fucking minutes, OVER, end of the world.

In the US 1 person alone has the power to launch for any reason.  The POTUS and only the POTUS can do this.

Are you confident Biden can make the right decisions?
Are you confident Trump can?
Are you confident Harris can?

Frankly, at the very least we need to demand that POTUS's have a cognitive test every 3 months.


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Re: 72 Minutes that may influence your vote (not a 72 min vid lol)
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2024, 09:15:51 AM »
Trump will try to end wars.

The Biden admin has pushed us closer to a global conflict.

Harris can not handle an interview with Fox News, but she's going to manage this stuff?

It's an easy decision based on this context.

100% yes on annual cognitive tests, although you'd have to be careful of some deep state move to remove a President they don't want, utilizing a corrupt doctor.
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Re: 72 Minutes that may influence your vote (not a 72 min vid lol)
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2024, 09:39:30 AM »
Trump will try to end wars.

The Biden admin has pushed us closer to a global conflict.

Harris can not handle an interview with Fox News, but she's going to manage this stuff?

It's an easy decision based on this context.

100% yes on annual cognitive tests, although you'd have to be careful of some deep state move to remove a President they don't want, utilizing a corrupt doctor.

I fear Trump will be irrational in the moment.   This isn't about days and weeks.  It's chaos in seconds and minutes.

I don't know enough about Harris.

I think there would be a way to have several tests administered by various entities for checks and balances.

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Re: 72 Minutes that may influence your vote (not a 72 min vid lol)
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2024, 09:48:45 AM »
I fear Trump will be irrational in the moment.   This isn't about days and weeks.  It's chaos in seconds and minutes.

I don't know enough about Harris.

I think there would be a way to have several tests administered by various entities for checks and balances.
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Trump was POTUS for 4 years already! 

We know how he is going to govern vs the war mongering NWO Harris types.   Holy F are you off base. 

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Re: 72 Minutes that may influence your vote (not a 72 min vid lol)
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2024, 09:49:50 AM »
I recently read "Nuclear War" by Anne Jacobson.

It's a pretty sobering book and I highly recommend it.

Anne Jacobson extensively researched nuclear war scenarios and how our system works. She interviews former generals, defense secretaries, scientists, etc.   

In a nutshell, at the beginning of the nuclear age, there were only 2 countries that possessed nukes.  Now there are 9.  One of these countries is North Korea which has an estimated 50+ nukes. 

She takes us through a possible scenario using the mad kind concept where North Korea launches a nuke at Washington DC.

Presently, the way the system is set up, is we will have full confirmation a nuke is heading our way about 8 minutes after launch (our satellites will pick up the rocket blast nearly instantly), after which the POTUS has about 6 minutes to decide whether to strike back and how many nukes we strike back with.  The problem is, the ICBMs we send have to fly over Russia and their early warning systems are not as good as ours and they will likely think we are attacking them.

We have a "launch on warning" policy meaning that if we think ICBMs are heading our way (which can't be recalled BTW), we will launch our own ICBMs.  Russia has the same policy. 

There have been numerous close calls and false alarms over the years.

In the scenario, through a series of miscommunications, lack of good radar, and overall chaos, it ends in full-scale nuclear war and the annihilation of about 5 billion people.   

This all happens in 72 minutes. 72 fucking minutes, OVER, end of the world.

In the US 1 person alone has the power to launch for any reason.  The POTUS and only the POTUS can do this.

Are you confident Biden can make the right decisions?
Are you confident Trump can?
Are you confident Harris can?

Frankly, at the very least we need to demand that POTUS's have a cognitive test every 3 months.

Trump tried to make peace w countries remember? 

Biden/Harris/Hillary/Obama made war.   

FACTS 

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Re: 72 Minutes that may influence your vote (not a 72 min vid lol)
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2024, 10:06:31 AM »
Trump tried to make peace w countries remember? 

Biden/Harris/Hillary/Obama made war.   

FACTS

It's not about that.  It's not about keeping us out of wars.  It's about 9 countries that have nukes.  It's about the seconds and minutes that the president will have to make rational decisions because a rogue nation like North Korea or soon-to-be Iran decides to launch a nuke and how the other nations react to it.

 

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« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2024, 10:11:53 AM »
It's not about that.  It's not about keeping us out of wars.  It's about 9 countries that have nukes.  It's about the seconds and minutes that the president will have to make rational decisions because a rogue nation like North Korea or soon-to-be Iran decides to launch a nuke and how the other nations react to it.

 

Um - remember when Trump went to NK to make peace with them?

Remember the liberal mentally ill cultists pedos got all upset over it?   


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Re: 72 Minutes that may influence your vote (not a 72 min vid lol)
« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2024, 11:00:29 AM »
::)

Trump was POTUS for 4 years already! 

We know how he is going to govern vs the war mongering NWO Harris types.   Holy F are you off base.
X2 he didn’t blow up the World then idk how libturd idiots think he’ll do it this time around.
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Re: 72 Minutes that may influence your vote (not a 72 min vid lol)
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2024, 11:54:59 AM »
Um - remember when Trump went to NK to make peace with them?

Remember the liberal mentally ill cultists pedos got all upset over it?   

2 completely different things.  I am not arguing that Trump did or didn't do things to make peace and keep us out of war.  My assertion is that does any of those people, Trump Harris, or Biden have the mental capacity to process rationally in 6 minutes the right response in a potential nuclear conflict?

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« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2024, 11:56:40 AM »
2 completely different things.  I am not arguing that Trump did or didn't do things to make peace and keep us out of war.  My assertion is that does any of those people, Trump Harris, or Biden have the mental capacity to process rationally in 6 minutes the right response in a potential nuclear conflict?

That is unknown.

However, the point stands - if one cannot be counted on to think on the spot for an interview, it's not unfair to extrapolate that to the situation you described.
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Re: 72 Minutes that may influence your vote (not a 72 min vid lol)
« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2024, 12:30:45 PM »
Trump for the win.

He has icewater in his veins.

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Re: 72 Minutes that may influence your vote (not a 72 min vid lol)
« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2024, 02:37:10 PM »
I recently read "Nuclear War" by Anne Jacobson.

It's a pretty sobering book and I highly recommend it.

Anne Jacobson extensively researched nuclear war scenarios and how our system works. She interviews former generals, defense secretaries, scientists, etc.   

In a nutshell, at the beginning of the nuclear age, there were only 2 countries that possessed nukes.  Now there are 9.  One of these countries is North Korea which has an estimated 50+ nukes. 

She takes us through a possible scenario using the mad kind concept where North Korea launches a nuke at Washington DC.

Presently, the way the system is set up, is we will have full confirmation a nuke is heading our way about 8 minutes after launch (our satellites will pick up the rocket blast nearly instantly), after which the POTUS has about 6 minutes to decide whether to strike back and how many nukes we strike back with.  The problem is, the ICBMs we send have to fly over Russia and their early warning systems are not as good as ours and they will likely think we are attacking them.

We have a "launch on warning" policy meaning that if we think ICBMs are heading our way (which can't be recalled BTW), we will launch our own ICBMs.  Russia has the same policy. 

There have been numerous close calls and false alarms over the years.

In the scenario, through a series of miscommunications, lack of good radar, and overall chaos, it ends in full-scale nuclear war and the annihilation of about 5 billion people.   

This all happens in 72 minutes. 72 fucking minutes, OVER, end of the world.

In the US 1 person alone has the power to launch for any reason.  The POTUS and only the POTUS can do this.

Are you confident Biden can make the right decisions?
Are you confident Trump can?
Are you confident Harris can?

Frankly, at the very least we need to demand that POTUS's have a cognitive test every 3 months.

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Trump was POTUS for 4 years already! 

We know how he is going to govern vs the war mongering NWO Harris types.   Holy F are you off base.

Soul Crusher is correct.  We already had Trump as POTUS.  We know how he reacts to crisis.  We know what he did when we were attacked by Iran.  We know what he did when North Korea was saber rattling.  We saw Russia and China do nothing.  We saw peace deals in the Middle East.  We saw no new military conflicts for the first time in decades across multiple Democrat and Republican Administrations.  We saw how Trump reacts when he gets shot in the face. 

On the other side, we have an oatmeal for brains president and a clearly dumb candidate who cannot answer unscripted questions from unfriendly media personnel.  This is a no brainer.   

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Re: 72 Minutes that may influence your vote (not a 72 min vid lol)
« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2024, 06:40:47 PM »
Soul Crusher is correct.  We already had Trump as POTUS.  We know how he reacts to crisis.  We know what he did when we were attacked by Iran.  We know what he did when North Korea was saber rattling.  We saw Russia and China do nothing.  We saw peace deals in the Middle East.  We saw no new military conflicts for the first time in decades across multiple Democrat and Republican Administrations.  We saw how Trump reacts when he gets shot in the face. 

On the other side, we have an oatmeal for brains president and a clearly dumb candidate who cannot answer unscripted questions from unfriendly media personnel.  This is a no brainer.   

The crisis he reacted to vs the crisis I outlined are 2 very different things.  The question is whether or not you think he could act rationally when he and he alone has to make a decision that could end the world based on available intel that might be lacking in the heat of the moment when he is getting screamed at STRATCOM the defense secretary and his top generals while he is being physically man handled by the CAT team while shoved into marine one all in 6 minutes. 

If you think so, fine.  I don’t have the confidence that he could.  Now, negotiate, keep out of wars, make good economy decisions,, etc.  sure.  But I am not confident about this one.   Biden is a no brainer.

You should read the book. It’s a good read. 

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Re: 72 Minutes that may influence your vote (not a 72 min vid lol)
« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2024, 06:41:49 PM »
That is unknown.

However, the point stands - if one cannot be counted on to think on the spot for an interview, it's not unfair to extrapolate that to the situation you described.

True.  Plus the way they describe the menu of strike options in the football can be problematic. 

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Re: 72 Minutes that may influence your vote (not a 72 min vid lol)
« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2024, 07:31:47 PM »
The crisis he reacted to vs the crisis I outlined are 2 very different things.  The question is whether or not you think he could act rationally when he and he alone has to make a decision that could end the world based on available intel that might be lacking in the heat of the moment when he is getting screamed at STRATCOM the defense secretary and his top generals while he is being physically man handled by the CAT team while shoved into marine one all in 6 minutes. 

If you think so, fine.  I don’t have the confidence that he could.  Now, negotiate, keep out of wars, make good economy decisions,, etc.  sure.  But I am not confident about this one.   Biden is a no brainer.

You should read the book. It’s a good read.

I don't really see a difference between the judgment used to make critical decisions in hours versus minutes.  If he showed good judgment, repeatedly, in the face of crisis in hours, then you can safely assume he will do the same thing in minutes.  And his response to getting shot in the face speaks volumes. 

I don't see how you can have any confidence in Kamala Harris.  Unlike Trump, she has zero evidence of making good decisions in times of crisis.  She cannot even answer unscripted questions from "hostile" reporters. 

Check out this small example.  Remember when Kamala Harris jumped on the Jussie Smollet hoax and said it was an attempted lynching?  When the truth came out, she was confronted by a reporter.  When asked the question, she first tried to pretend like someone was talking to her.  Then nervous laughter.  Then word salad.  Now think about how she would react to a real crisis.  Start at 2:08.  It's short but revealing. 



I will put the book on my reading list.

 

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Re: 72 Minutes that may influence your vote (not a 72 min vid lol)
« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2024, 11:14:20 AM »
I don't really see a difference between the judgment used to make critical decisions in hours versus minutes.  If he showed good judgment, repeatedly, in the face of crisis in hours, then you can safely assume he will do the same thing in minutes.  And his response to getting shot in the face speaks volumes. 

I don't see how you can have any confidence in Kamala Harris.  Unlike Trump, she has zero evidence of making good decisions in times of crisis.  She cannot even answer unscripted questions from "hostile" reporters. 

Check out this small example.  Remember when Kamala Harris jumped on the Jussie Smollet hoax and said it was an attempted lynching?  When the truth came out, she was confronted by a reporter.  When asked the question, she first tried to pretend like someone was talking to her.  Then nervous laughter.  Then word salad.  Now think about how she would react to a real crisis.  Start at 2:08.  It's short but revealing. 



I will put the book on my reading list.

We will see how she does in the debates.   I haven't paid much attention to her so I don't really know.

I see a difference between the judgment used to make critical decisions in hours versus minutes.  Many Trump supporters wish he would keep his mouth shut, and I think if he had, it might have helped him win the last election.  Those decisions were likely fueled by emotion.  Emotion, intuition, gut feeling, anger, etc. play a part in a rushed decision.  His advisors would have surely advised him against doing stuff like that.   

Decisions that allow for hours or days have the benefit of analysis, discussion, collaboration, complex reasoning etc.  He did fine with that, except for maybe COVID.

I don't have confidence in him to make rational decisions in a potential nuclear war.  Because of his age and past history.   I didn't feel this way before reading the book.   

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Re: 72 Minutes that may influence your vote (not a 72 min vid lol)
« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2024, 11:26:27 AM »
Four years of peace with Trump as President.

With filthy Joe pedo as President?


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Re: 72 Minutes that may influence your vote (not a 72 min vid lol)
« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2024, 11:26:56 AM »
We will see how she does in the debates.   I haven't paid much attention to her so I don't really know.

I see a difference between the judgment used to make critical decisions in hours versus minutes.  Many Trump supporters wish he would keep his mouth shut, and I think if he had, it might have helped him win the last election.  Those decisions were likely fueled by emotion.  Emotion, intuition, gut feeling, anger, etc. play a part in a rushed decision.  His advisors would have surely advised him against doing stuff like that.   

Decisions that allow for hours or days have the benefit of analysis, discussion, collaboration, complex reasoning etc.  He did fine with that, except for maybe COVID.

I don't have confidence in him to make rational decisions in a potential nuclear war.  Because of his age and past history.   I didn't feel this way before reading the book.

This is TDS defined. 

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Re: 72 Minutes that may influence your vote (not a 72 min vid lol)
« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2024, 11:42:28 AM »
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Trump was POTUS for 4 years

Biden/Harris have been in office for 4 years. 

Compare the two objectively and anyone who comes to any other conclusion than that Trump is better suited for these matters is suffering severe TDS.   

This cackling drunk nut can't even answer a question with notes or a teleprompter.   We have seen her unscripted on even the most banal issues and its a disaster.   Her two main actions as VP were a complete disaster - the border and withdrawal from AStan. 

Under Trump we had no new wars, terrorist attacks, nothing at all. 

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« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2024, 12:18:01 PM »
Trump was POTUS for 4 years

Biden/Harris have been in office for 4 years. 

Compare the two objectively and anyone who comes to any other conclusion than that Trump is better suited for these matters is suffering severe TDS.   

This cackling drunk nut can't even answer a question with notes or a teleprompter.   We have seen her unscripted on even the most banal issues and its a disaster.   Her two main actions as VP were a complete disaster - the border and withdrawal from AStan. 

Under Trump we had no new wars, terrorist attacks, nothing at all.

I am not asking to pick one.   I am not asking to compare the 2.  I am simply in asking if any of the 3 are up to the task.

Trump record of no new wars, terroirs attacks have nothing to do with the premise of this thread.

Read the exchanges between me, Grape and Beach.  I am not debating Trump decisions when he had days and weeks.   I contesting that he is not fit to make nuclear decisions under duress that decides the fate of mankind in 6 minutes.   

Or let’s just say I don’t have confidence he would make the right ones. 


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« Reply #21 on: September 04, 2024, 12:20:59 PM »
I am not asking to pick one.   I am not asking to compare the 2.  I am simply in asking if any of the 3 are up to the task.

Trump record of no new wars, terroirs attacks have nothing to do with the premise of this thread.

Yes it does - Trump is up to the task based upon his past track record. 

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« Reply #22 on: September 04, 2024, 12:23:53 PM »
Yes it does - Trump is up to the task based upon his past track record.

No it doesn’t.

Decisions in the heat of the moment that only allow mere minutes are far different than decisions that allow for days and weeks. 

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« Reply #23 on: September 04, 2024, 12:28:22 PM »
I maintain we do not know how any will react, because I don't think anyone in history ever had to make this decision (Bay of Pigs?)

However, I do agree with SC that the more experience you have running the country may prepare you better for it.

Not the same context, but I also want the guy there who will least likely get us to that point.  This current admin letting Ukraine use US weapons across the border is the exact wrong thing to do.
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« Reply #24 on: September 04, 2024, 12:30:13 PM »
No it doesn’t.

Decisions in the heat of the moment that only allow mere minutes are far different than decisions that allow for days and weeks.

Yeah Kamala has shown so much reflective judgment after weeks and months of study.  Ugh huh.   

Trump was POTUS for 4 years!  We saw how he deals with these matters.   We also saw the disastrous actions of Biden/Harris.   To act otherwise is denial and pure TDS