Donald Trump is a legend.

[OlympiaGym]

"Based on my assumptions, I wonder why others who don't assume the same thing don't agree with me"

No assumptions. I know plenty of people who knew Fred.

[Grape Ape]

No assumptions. I know plenty of people who knew Fred.

Regardless, you're making a statement that you know what's in his son's mind, which is impossible to prove.

So, even assuming that, we'd have to speculate if would he craft policy around these perceived assumptions, and the answer is no.  Trump is not going to institute any practices that looks to remove all minorities, blacks etc from the population.  So it's completely moot.

If you look at what he's done - $85 million per year to fund black colleges, lowest black unemployment, etc, it's easy to see why he's supported.  Being the victim of a warped / compromised judicial system helps as well.

[Coach is Back!]

In Trump’s ideal world there are no blacks or other minorities in the US. That’s not a total condemnation of the man as he is a product of his times and that opinion is largely shared by many white men of his generation. You can be sure Fred Trump raised young Donald in a house where “white is right” and encroachments by blacks and other minorities were to be resisted. Trump grew up in a very segregated Queens neighborhood with minorities knocking at the door. You would not have been welcome at the Trump dinner table. To think otherwise is foolishness. Of course Queens is now a majority minority county and times have changed. However, I do find it strange that people of color would support someone who is, at his core, racist. I understand why his opponents are no good on policy, etc., but being a black Trump supporter seems very odd to me. In this election, there really are no good choices

Holy shit, we have a live one here.

[funk51]

 That's funny because I was in Trump's casino years back and they starting going around and removing people from the floor. I asked the guy if I should leave and he said no, you are alright because you are white. we're only removing the ethnics because tRump is coming through, and he doesn't like to see black faces. years later the same thing happened at the sands casino in pa. they were going around  telling all the Orientals to leave the restaurant area. I was nursing a protein drink  waiting for a concert to start and I asked if I should leave the area. again the answer was no you white so you're alright. I SHIT YOU NOT.

[Rambone]

In Trump’s ideal world there are no blacks or other minorities in the US. That’s not a total condemnation of the man as he is a product of his times and that opinion is largely shared by many white men of his generation. You can be sure Fred Trump raised young Donald in a house where “white is right” and encroachments by blacks and other minorities were to be resisted. Trump grew up in a very segregated Queens neighborhood with minorities knocking at the door. You would not have been welcome at the Trump dinner table. To think otherwise is foolishness. Of course Queens is now a majority minority county and times have changed. However, I do find it strange that people of color would support someone who is, at his core, racist. I understand why his opponents are no good on policy, etc., but being a black Trump supporter seems very odd to me. In this election, there really are no good choices

Any evidence of this or just your own delusional thoughts?

[OlympiaGym]

All the white people talking about how Trump isn’t a racist yet 90 percent of black voters will vote for the other candidate. Are they stupid? Misinformed? Or do they just instinctively know something whites may not know.

[Rambone]

All the white people talking about how Trump isn’t a racist yet 90 percent of black voters will vote for the other candidate. Are they stupid? Misinformed? Or do they just instinctively know something whites may not know.

Yes.

[OlympiaGym]

That's funny because I was in Trump's casino years back and they starting going around and removing people from the floor. I asked the guy if I should leave and he said no, you are alright because you are white. we're only removing the ethnics because tRump is coming through, and he doesn't like to see black faces. years later the same thing happened at the sands casino in pa. they were going around  telling all the Orientals to leave the restaurant area. I was nursing a protein drink  waiting for a concert to start and I asked if I should leave the area. again the answer was no you white so you're alright. I SHIT YOU NOT.

Of course.

The real story would be if Trump was not racist. I would think most posters on here would be offended if they didn’t think he was.

I get that Wiggs gets a pass because he’s viewed as one of the good ones, albeit one of the few, but I don’t get the logic behind his thinking.

[Grape Ape]

All the white people talking about how Trump isn’t a racist yet 90 percent of black voters will vote for the other candidate. Are they stupid? Misinformed? Or do they just instinctively know something whites may not know.

Yes.

But, nobody said he wasn't anything but since you cannot prove it, we pivoted to real examples/policies which proved otherwise and you ignored it.

But, to play along, what has voting Democrat for the last 25 years done for black people?

[OlympiaGym]

Yes.

But, nobody said he wasn't anything but since you cannot prove it, we pivoted to real examples/policies which proved otherwise and you ignored it.

But, to play along, what has voting Democrat for the last 25 years done for black people?

I have no dog in this fight. I will thrive regardless of who is president.

And maybe Republican policies, to the extent that they are actually different than Democratic policies (I subscribe to the uniparty theory so they don’t IMHO), may be better for “blacks” in the collective sense, but most people are generally not attracted to people who have an inherent dislike for them, hence the difficulties the GOP has had in attracting black voters.

Regardless of who gets elected the meaningful institutions in our society, like the Federal Reserve for one, will be controlled by the same group of elites who have always controlled matters.

[Wiggs]

Of course.

The real story would be if Trump was not racist. I would think most posters on here would be offended if they didn’t think he was.

I get that Wiggs gets a pass because he’s viewed as one of the good ones, albeit one of the few, but I don’t get the logic behind his thinking.

You're overly focused on his personal views on race rather than what he’s accomplished for the country and the policies he’s enacted. Aside from his stance on vaccines and his support for Israel, I agree with most of his governance. His actions as a leader have not been racist, and that’s what matters to me. The issue with people like you, and particularly Boomers, is that you get caught up in identity politics and character attacks, prioritizing those over the actual substance of how someone governs.

If his racism was bad enough, it would reflect in his policies.Ive seen nothing that does.

[Grape Ape]

I have no dog in this fight. I will thrive regardless of who is president.

And maybe Republican policies, to the extent that they are actually different than Democratic policies (I subscribe to the uniparty theory so they don’t IMHO), may be better for “blacks” in the collective sense, but most people are generally not attracted to people who have an inherent dislike for them, hence the difficulties the GOP has had in attracting black voters.

Regardless of who gets elected the meaningful institutions in our society, like the Federal Reserve for one, will be controlled by the same group of elites who have always controlled matters.

I don't disagree with this.

[Rambone]

Prisoner Puffy’s take on Trump……

https://x.com/realpizzapepe/status/1836093575630852263?s=46

[Dave D]

I just went back and read the thread. You seem to be cherry picking to make your point.

Now... is the earth flat?

It was not cherry picking at all, you made your initial post disputing the evidence. 2 hours later you reluctantly changed your stance, which logically you should have never take. So I  can now question your decision making just like you are with Wiggs.

Also that’s an interesting way to admit you were wrong. You concede with a qualifier as if the 6 years before she had procedure done mattered what the evidence showed the day you made your comment. Even now you’re defending your position and trying to gloss over the fact that you were incorrect.

To answer your question, do I think the earth is flat, no.

[OlympiaGym]

You're overly focused on his personal views on race rather than what he’s accomplished for the country and the policies he’s enacted. Aside from his stance on vaccines and his support for Israel, I agree with most of his governance. His actions as a leader have not been racist, and that’s what matters to me. The issue with people like you, and particularly Boomers, is that you get caught up in identity politics and character attacks, prioritizing those over the actual substance of how someone governs.

If his racism was bad enough, it would reflect in his policies.Ive seen nothing that does.

Biden and Trump are of the same generation. Both are likely equally racist since that’s the environment they were raised in. Politically Biden knew his future lay with courting the black vote and he was happy to serve as the “token” white guy on Obama’s ticket, but that doesn’t mean that Obama actually likes him. Obama made a calculated decision to use him to get where he wanted to be, but there’s no love lost between the two because Obama knows what’s in his heart. I suppose you could justify your support for Trump in that same way but I would be uneasy, as a black man, supporting his candidacy as vigorously as you do. It seems like you actually like the guy. I doubt he would have ever reciprocated that feeling in his lifetime, but if that doesn’t matter to you then be one of the few blacks who vote for him.

[Dave D]

Biden and Trump are of the same generation. Both are likely equally racist since that’s the environment they were raised in. Politically Biden knew his future lay with courting the black vote and he was happy to serve as the “token” white guy on Obama’s ticket, but that doesn’t mean that Obama actually likes him. Obama made a calculated decision to use him to get where he wanted to be, but there’s no love lost between the two because Obama knows what’s in his heart. I suppose you could justify your support for Trump in that same way but I would be uneasy, as a black man, supporting his candidacy as vigorously as you do. It seems like you actually like the guy. I doubt he would have ever reciprocated that feeling in his lifetime, but if that doesn’t matter to you than be one of the few blacks who vote for him.

I’m sure I’m missing your point here? Wiggs should not support Trump because he’s a racist like Biden. And Trump doesn’t care for care for him but you’re implying Harris does, even though her goal, as the California DA, was to imprison AA males and have them work off their sentences through CalFire?

[OlympiaGym]

I’m sure I’m missing your point here? Wiggs should not support Trump because he’s a racist like Biden. And Trump doesn’t care for care for him but you’re implying Harris does, even though her goal, as the California DA, was to imprison AA males and have them work off their sentences through CalFire?

All things being equal, if I were black I would support Kamala because she’s a black woman (sort of), and because her policies would not materially impact me anymore than Trump’s would. Fed policy, the tax code, foreign policy, the military-industrial complex, will be determined by the same actors regardless of who is elected. Put simply, if you’re black, why support an old white cracker?

[Wiggs]

Biden and Trump are of the same generation. Both are likely equally racist since that’s the environment they were raised in. Politically Biden knew his future lay with courting the black vote and he was happy to serve as the “token” white guy on Obama’s ticket, but that doesn’t mean that Obama actually likes him. Obama made a calculated decision to use him to get where he wanted to be, but there’s no love lost between the two because Obama knows what’s in his heart. I suppose you could justify your support for Trump in that same way but I would be uneasy, as a black man, supporting his candidacy as vigorously as you do. It seems like you actually like the guy. I doubt he would have ever reciprocated that feeling in his lifetime, but if that doesn’t matter to you then be one of the few blacks who vote for him.

Again, I'm focusing on his POLICIES and his ability govern. Not whether or not he wants to have a beer with me.

Use all the buzz words you want, it doesn't make your post look any better. A vote of Kamala is a vote for "globalism" and all that comes with it.  She's a shit politician. She's not particularly intelligent. She's good at saying alot without saying anything and diverting questions. She's a liar, she's race grifter, (she's not black), she's a Marxist, and she was a terrible vice president. Last but not least, what kind of a man prefers to be led by a woman? I'm not that kind of man.

You may want to get checked out over that Trump derangement syndrome.

I can assure you black men voting for Trump will be more than just a few. Sit back and enjoy.

[Dave D]

All things being equal, if I were black I would support Kamala because she’s a black woman (sort of), and because her policies would not materially impact me anymore than Trump’s would. Fed policy, the tax code, foreign policy, the military-industrial complex, will be determined by the same actors regardless of who is elected. Put simply, if you’re black, why support an old white cracker?

That’s fine for this year, but what was the argument when Biden was the opponent? And why should a white person vote for a minority in Kamala?

Race/sex identity politics are what this country needs!

[OlympiaGym]

Again, I'm focusing on his POLICIES and his ability govern. Not whether or not he wants to have a beer with me.

Use all the buzz words you want, it doesn't make your post look any better. A vote of Kamala is a vote for "globalism" and all that comes with it.  She's a shit politician. She's not particularly intelligent. She's good at saying alot without saying anything and diverting questions. She's a liar, she's race grifter, (she's not black), she's a Marxist, and she was a terrible vice president. Last but not least, what kind of a man prefers to be led by a woman? I'm not that kind of man.

You may want to get checked out over that Trump derangement syndrome.

I can assure you black men voting for Trump will be more than just a few. Sit back and enjoy.

Trump isn’t a globalist? Of course he is. He loves Israel and the military-industrial complex as much as any politician. He’s part of the Kushner family. Doesn’t sound very America First to me.

As far as Kamala being black, where I grew up, if you were part black, you were black.

[Gym Rat]

All things being equal, if I were black I would support Kamala because she’s a black woman (sort of), and because her policies would not materially impact me anymore than Trump’s would. Fed policy, the tax code, foreign policy, the military-industrial complex, will be determined by the same actors regardless of who is elected. Put simply, if you’re black, why support an old white cracker?

Why support a dick sucker who has done basically ZERO??
Dem party laughed at her when she ran, now she's a seasoned Vet?? (Again, who did ZERO as VP).
(Except, laugh, giggle, stumble around basic sentences, avoid the border, etc).

she supports communism... Anyone who votes for her is a commie whackjob, kid-molester..

[Grape Ape]

I can assure you black men voting for Trump will be more than just a few. Sit back and enjoy.

His numbers went UP in 2020, and it appears the trend is continuing amongst male black and latino voters.

[OlympiaGym]

Why support a dick sucker who has done basically ZERO??
Dem party laughed at her when she ran, now she's a seasoned Vet?? (Again, who did ZERO as VP).
(Except, laugh, giggle, stumble around basic sentences, avoid the border, etc).

she supports communism... Anyone who votes for her is a commie whackjob, kid-molester..

Don’t be naive. Kamala is just a figurehead. A powerful oligarch, like Larry Fink, has more input into how the country is run than the president, and it is immaterial to Fink who is “elected” president. He will benefit either way. The days of a powerful chief executive are long over.

[Dave D]

Don’t be naive. Kamala is just a figurehead. A powerful oligarch, like Larry Fink, has more input into how the country is run than the president, and it is immaterial to Fink who is “elected” president. He will benefit either way. The days of a powerful chief executive are long over.

Then why suggest why people should vote for Harris over Trump?

[Bevo]

Trump isn’t a globalist? Of course he is. He loves Israel and the military-industrial complex as much as any politician. He’s part of the Kushner family. Doesn’t sound very America First to me.

As far as Kamala being black, where I grew up, if you were part black, you were black.

The fact is she never cared about “being black,” look up her past, she always identified as Asian Indian, it only mattered and convenient to her when entering politics and especially now she’s running for president. She couldn’t care less, now she’s a black women. It’s quite comical really