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Re: Siblings getting a baby
« Reply #25 on: September 28, 2024, 01:43:17 AM »
The Bible condemns it? :-\
It also suggests stoning people to death..

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Re: Siblings getting a baby
« Reply #26 on: September 29, 2024, 12:03:38 AM »
It also suggests stoning people to death..
They still do that in the Middle East.

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Re: Siblings getting a baby
« Reply #27 on: September 29, 2024, 04:32:24 AM »
They still do that in the Middle East.
I wish they did it in Selma...

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Re: Siblings getting a baby
« Reply #28 on: September 29, 2024, 08:08:03 AM »
Joswift has jumped the shark. Hahahaha.

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Re: Siblings getting a baby
« Reply #29 on: September 29, 2024, 08:15:16 AM »
Joswift has jumped the shark. Hahahaha.

I asked an age old question that is difficult to answer.

I didnt agree or disagree with any premise

Did you answer it Rob?

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Re: Siblings getting a baby
« Reply #30 on: September 29, 2024, 08:51:09 AM »
I asked an age old question that is difficult to answer.

I didnt agree or disagree with any premise

Did you answer it Rob?


Some things just don’t pass the “does it feel right?” test and this is for sure one of them.

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Re: Siblings getting a baby
« Reply #31 on: September 29, 2024, 08:53:48 AM »

Some things just don’t pass the “does it feel right?” test and this is for sure one of them.
and thats the point of the question, where does that "it doesnt feel right" come from?

Its very difficult to answer the question without resorting to "it doesnt feel right" or "its not normal"

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Re: Siblings getting a baby
« Reply #32 on: September 29, 2024, 09:01:50 AM »
Look up "The Whittakers" on YouTube.    :'( :-X

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Re: Siblings getting a baby
« Reply #33 on: September 29, 2024, 09:26:43 AM »
Look up "The Whittakers" on YouTube.    :'( :-X

the birth defects is omitted from the argument....

two sisters in a relationship for example...

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Re: Siblings getting a baby
« Reply #34 on: September 29, 2024, 09:32:59 AM »
the birth defects is omitted from the argument....

two sisters in a relationship for example...

Yes, I understood that but could not resist showing what really mixing similar DNA can do over a few generations.  I think two sisters is gross.  I knew a couple of brothers that were homosexual and said they did the "bhanky roll" with one another.  Again, G R O S S.

It just seems morally wrong but that may be a factor that is also excluded from possible reasons? 

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Re: Siblings getting a baby
« Reply #35 on: September 29, 2024, 09:43:16 AM »
Yes, I understood that but could not resist showing what really mixing similar DNA can do over a few generations.  I think two sisters is gross.  I knew a couple of brothers that were homosexual and said they did the "bhanky roll" with one another.  Again, G R O S S.

It just seems morally wrong but that may be a factor that is also excluded from possible reasons?
Just saying its "gross" isnt a really a valid reason, its an opinion.

If people believe in the bible we all came from Adam and Eve and then again Noahs family after the flood.

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Re: Siblings getting a baby
« Reply #36 on: September 29, 2024, 09:44:32 AM »
Why is it ok to kill and eat a boar, but canibalism is not, even if it leads you to die from hunger? One could argue it's only meat, but it isnt.

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Re: Siblings getting a baby
« Reply #37 on: September 29, 2024, 09:46:14 AM »
Just saying its "gross" isnt a really a valid reason, its an opinion.

If people believe in the bible we all came from Adam and Eve and then again Noahs family after the flood.

It's valid for me and mine.  That is all I need and if you think otherwise, that's fine for you but I still think it is disgusting.   ;D

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Re: Siblings getting a baby
« Reply #38 on: September 29, 2024, 09:46:47 AM »
Why is it ok to kill and eat a boar, but canibalism is not, even if it leads you to die from hunger? One could argue it's only meat, but it isnt.

Well stated.

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Re: Siblings getting a baby
« Reply #39 on: September 29, 2024, 10:14:06 AM »
Why is it ok to kill and eat a boar, but canibalism is not, even if it leads you to die from hunger? One could argue it's only meat, but it isnt.
"civilised" people have resorted to canibalism to survive, the only reason its not acceptable normally is because we hold human life to a higher standard than animals.
There are no health reasons why we cant eat other humans.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/311277

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Re: Siblings getting a baby
« Reply #40 on: September 29, 2024, 10:38:12 AM »
the birth defects is omitted from the argument....

two sisters in a relationship for example...

How can you omit the birth defects?

Explain why standing in front of a train is dumb, but exclude the death aspect.

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Re: Siblings getting a baby
« Reply #41 on: September 29, 2024, 10:50:27 AM »
How can you omit the birth defects?

Explain why standing in front of a train is dumb, but exclude the death aspect.
two sisters

as for the train, you may get hurt and not killed, you also may leave relatives and family behind who depend on you, you may traumatise the train driver who runs over you, all the staff dealing with the clean up afterwards...
Getting hit by a train creates shockwaves through many peoples lives.

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Re: Siblings getting a baby
« Reply #42 on: September 29, 2024, 11:12:57 AM »
two sisters

as for the train, you may get hurt and not killed, you also may leave relatives and family behind who depend on you, you may traumatise the train driver who runs over you, all the staff dealing with the clean up afterwards...
Getting hit by a train creates shockwaves through many peoples lives.

So does fucking your sister, if family and friends find out about it. That's why in Haidt's example he specifies that they agree to never tell another soul, and that's where I'd begin trying to build an argument as to why it's immoral. Is cheating on your wife moral if you never get caught? (Answer: of course  :D).

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Re: Siblings getting a baby
« Reply #43 on: September 29, 2024, 11:16:07 AM »
So does fucking your sister, if family and friends find out about it. That's why in Haidt's example he specifies that they agree to never tell another soul, and that's where I'd begin trying to build an argument as to why it's immoral. Is cheating on your wife moral if you never get caught? (Answer: of course  :D).

I suppose thats like a father finding out his sons gay, added bonus if hes a receiver... ;D

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Re: Siblings getting a baby
« Reply #44 on: September 29, 2024, 11:22:25 AM »
I suppose thats like a father finding out his sons gay, added bonus if hes a receiver... ;D

Lololol. Every parent's nightmare.

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Re: Siblings getting a baby
« Reply #45 on: September 29, 2024, 11:24:40 AM »
Lololol. Every parent's nightmare.
"As long as my sons happy its all that matters".. they say through gritted teeth...

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Re: Siblings getting a baby
« Reply #46 on: September 29, 2024, 11:44:28 AM »
So does fucking your sister, if family and friends find out about it. That's why in Haidt's example he specifies that they agree to never tell another soul, and that's where I'd begin trying to build an argument as to why it's immoral. Is cheating on your wife moral if you never get caught? (Answer: of course  :D).

So, in and of itself, two siblings sleeping with each other is not immoral if no one gets hurt (themselves or other people).

That’s the whole point of Haidts argument. Something is not inherently immoral “Just because it’s gross.” The reasons have to be distilled why it’s immoral, which may be because it hurts other people. A potential valid reason, which is based on logic, not “ewwww it’s gross.”

Haidt is simply trying to get people to logic their way through moral decisions, and not simply rely on gut reactions.

To further expand on “not telling a soul” so other people are not hurt, well, why do my family and friends get to determine if my actions are moral because their feelings are hurt? What if only 1 family member is hurt out of 15? Is it still immoral? Why does their inability to regulate their own feelings about X behavior make it immoral?

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Re: Siblings getting a baby
« Reply #47 on: September 29, 2024, 11:47:54 AM »
Why is it ok to kill and eat a boar, but canibalism is not, even if it leads you to die from hunger? One could argue it's only meat, but it isnt.

Most of our moral inclinations are very gut based reactions, based on which particular culture you are raised in. That’s obvious—different cultures will have different moral inclinations.

I’m not saying I agree or disagree with two siblings having sex, as much as I’m stressing the importance to look beyond our own cultural worldviews and have a more nuanced understanding of moral decision making.
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Re: Siblings getting a baby
« Reply #48 on: September 29, 2024, 11:49:25 AM »

Some things just don’t pass the “does it feel right?” test and this is for sure one of them.

Yes the whole “it just doesn’t feel right,” is an intuitive, gut based reaction, which may or may not lead you down the right moral pathway.
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Re: Siblings getting a baby
« Reply #49 on: September 29, 2024, 11:53:39 AM »
two sisters

as for the train, you may get hurt and not killed, you also may leave relatives and family behind who depend on you, you may traumatise the train driver who runs over you, all the staff dealing with the clean up afterwards...
Getting hit by a train creates shockwaves through many peoples lives.

You tryin to make me cum dude?