2024 Olympia - Nick Walker is OUT! Withdraws Oct 5

[Van_Bilderass]

I wish some guys would hire a photog to shoot them a few times a day for the last few days. In best possible lighting where you see "every fiber." Then you could tell whether the diuretic helps the look at all. And also pre-stage in the same spot, betweenn prejudging and night show, and then immediate after stepping off stage. Because guys claim the extreme differnces so would be cool to document. Often you hear, "X started fading towards the end of the round or got watery," is it real or mostly imaginarion? Maybe someone just got another layer of paint or more oil giving impression of improving condition.

[Sandrock]

Nick's gut seriously looks like he's on some sort "My 600 Pound Life" show. 

[The Scott]

Nick's gut seriously looks like he's on some sort "My 600 Pound Life" show.

He's just relaxing his full belly because prior to that impromptu moment he laid waste to a 3 foot high stack of  (...some nice French Toast") and he hasn't gone to the local construction site porta potty just yet.

[Notomorrow]

I missed this at first. You might be right. The gut is a bit too big even for him.

But then this would have shown symptoms for a long time previous, doctors correct me if I'm wrong. And you'd assume he actually does do very regular health check-ups. If he doesn't it's only because he actually wants to die for the Olympia.

 The reason I suspected heart failure is there is no way to verify heart failure before it's too late as the symptoms will be shortness of breath, fatigue and edema which isn't uncommon in hardcore bodybuilding. The only way to verify heart failure is an echocardiogram/electrocardiogram, to measure ejection fraction and heart strength. There are blood tests to show heart issues but heart failure is not noticeable until end stages when the heart is so weak that it can't remove blood and fluid anymore, so you just bloat up like a balloon and can barely breathe.

Given he was just weeks away, heart failure seems the one thing that could cause THAT much edema rapidly.  That's not a couple cheat meals. 

The other could be kidney failure, but he and his team should have been monitoring creatinine and other kidney blood markers to have an idea. Heart failure is different and normal docs won't order echo/electro cardiograms for 29/30 year old guys as it's not protocol. Pro bodybuilders should be getting an echocardiogram, electro, and even an angiogram once a year. But it's hard to get insurance to cover it for a guy in his 20s so its thousands of dollars. There need to be doctors who specifically treat pro bodybuilders and will look at these possibilities.

Like when Dallas McCarver was gasping for air onstage, no one did an echo. He likely died of heart failure, as his autopsy just said the heart stopped, it was not a heart attack. He felt no pain, just couldn't breathe.

Only good news is that while heart failure usually has no cure, it CAN be reversible and ejection fraction restored IF it was secondary to the bodybuilding lifestyle but to risk it again would be very dangerous.


I genuinely hope it's nothing serious and I'm wrong

[Van_Bilderass]

The other could be kidney failure, but he and his team should have been monitoring creatinine and other kidney blood markers to have an idea. Heart failure is different and normal docs won't order echo/electro cardiograms for 29/30 year old guys as it's not protocol. Pro bodybuilders should be getting an echocardiogram, electro, and even an angiogram once a year. But it's hard to get insurance to cover it for a guy in his 20s so its thousands of dollars. There need to be doctors who specifically treat pro bodybuilders and will look at these possibilities.

They all preach very regular testing, echos, getting the EF numbers etc, some said even twice a year. Walker is such as specimen he would probably be checked very regularly. I had an EF of 35% with covid and was on Lasix and wasn't allowed to drink water for a while. Docs said your heart's been developing in a bad way for years, this thickening isn't acute but the covid pushed it over the line. I've been at 50 EF for years now. I think tbombz said he was like 25 but now has 65 (if memory serves) and still juicing, just no gh which he blames primarily.

[bhank]

The reason I suspected heart failure is there is no way to verify heart failure before it's too late as the symptoms will be shortness of breath, fatigue and edema which isn't uncommon in hardcore bodybuilding. The only way to verify heart failure is an echocardiogram/electrocardiogram, to measure ejection fraction and heart strength. There are blood tests to show heart issues but heart failure is not noticeable until end stages when the heart is so weak that it can't remove blood and fluid anymore, so you just bloat up like a balloon and can barely breathe.

Given he was just weeks away, heart failure seems the one thing that could cause THAT much edema rapidly.  That's not a couple cheat meals. 

The other could be kidney failure, but he and his team should have been monitoring creatinine and other kidney blood markers to have an idea. Heart failure is different and normal docs won't order echo/electro cardiograms for 29/30 year old guys as it's not protocol. Pro bodybuilders should be getting an echocardiogram, electro, and even an angiogram once a year. But it's hard to get insurance to cover it for a guy in his 20s so its thousands of dollars. There need to be doctors who specifically treat pro bodybuilders and will look at these possibilities.

Like when Dallas McCarver was gasping for air onstage, no one did an echo. He likely died of heart failure, as his autopsy just said the heart stopped, it was not a heart attack. He felt no pain, just couldn't breathe.

Only good news is that while heart failure usually has no cure, it CAN be reversible and ejection fraction restored IF it was secondary to the bodybuilding lifestyle but to risk it again would be very dangerous.


I genuinely hope it's nothing serious and I'm wrong

Ok but what caused it then?

[joswift]

Ok but what caused it then?

dumbest post of the year goes to......

[falco]

The reason I suspected heart failure is there is no way to verify heart failure before it's too late as the symptoms will be shortness of breath, fatigue and edema which isn't uncommon in hardcore bodybuilding. The only way to verify heart failure is an echocardiogram/electrocardiogram, to measure ejection fraction and heart strength. There are blood tests to show heart issues but heart failure is not noticeable until end stages when the heart is so weak that it can't remove blood and fluid anymore, so you just bloat up like a balloon and can barely breathe.

Given he was just weeks away, heart failure seems the one thing that could cause THAT much edema rapidly.  That's not a couple cheat meals. 

The other could be kidney failure, but he and his team should have been monitoring creatinine and other kidney blood markers to have an idea. Heart failure is different and normal docs won't order echo/electro cardiograms for 29/30 year old guys as it's not protocol. Pro bodybuilders should be getting an echocardiogram, electro, and even an angiogram once a year. But it's hard to get insurance to cover it for a guy in his 20s so its thousands of dollars. There need to be doctors who specifically treat pro bodybuilders and will look at these possibilities.

Like when Dallas McCarver was gasping for air onstage, no one did an echo. He likely died of heart failure, as his autopsy just said the heart stopped, it was not a heart attack. He felt no pain, just couldn't breathe.

Only good news is that while heart failure usually has no cure, it CAN be reversible and ejection fraction restored IF it was secondary to the bodybuilding lifestyle but to risk it again would be very dangerous.


I genuinely hope it's nothing serious and I'm wrong

From chocking on a meat ball some said 

[1Patrick]

From chocking on a meat ball some said 

Josh Lenartowitz was in there he has said  bagel

[falco]

Josh Lenartowitz was in there he has said  bagel

Oh, that turns the tables..

[wes]

Ban meatballs and bagels.

[oldtimer1]

Bodybuilders have to be careful thinking that if they have blood tests they are good to go. Typical blood tests are not telling you that your heart is okay.  Casey Viator told me all his blood tests were good then had a heart attack a short time later. You need tests like a treadmill EKG.  You need scans of your heart to check for thick heart walls. A troponin blood test that shows a recent heart attack isn't done with normal blood work. It's generally done in a hospital if you are in the emergency room with signs of a heart attack. A coronary angiogram is something insurance will cover with cause and not just a wish list check.

[bhank]

Bodybuilders have to be careful thinking that if they have blood tests they are good to go. Typical blood tests are not telling you that your heart is okay.  Casey Viator told me all his blood tests were good then had a heart attack a short time later. You need tests like a treadmill EKG.  You need scans of your heart to check for thick heart walls. A troponin blood test that shows a recent heart attack isn't done with normal blood work. It's generally done in a hospital if you are in the emergency room with signs of a heart attack. A coronary angiogram is something insurance will cover with cause and not just a wish list check.

Ok so what is your simple list of test in order of importance then to check the heart ? Kidneys liver? Do you think these guys are doing their daily half hour of cardio?

[1Patrick]

Oh, that turns the tables..

When EMT arrived both were naked in awkward positions so bagel or meatballs could be slang and mean anything .

[Donny]

Bodybuilders have to be careful thinking that if they have blood tests they are good to go. Typical blood tests are not telling you that your heart is okay.  Casey Viator told me all his blood tests were good then had a heart attack a short time later. You need tests like a treadmill EKG.  You need scans of your heart to check for thick heart walls. A troponin blood test that shows a recent heart attack isn't done with normal blood work. It's generally done in a hospital if you are in the emergency room with signs of a heart attack. A coronary angiogram is something insurance will cover with cause and not just a wish list check.

A coronary angiogram is the best method i know 

[illuminati]

Nick's gut seriously looks like he's on some sort "My 600 Pound Life" show.

Its " The bunched up under shirt syndrome"  ask Bianca he knows all
about it.   

[MAXX]

All these + Cedric where heart giving out right?

seems they are all pushing some compound(s?) hard that causes this, wonder what 
maybe extreme high dose gh compared to 90's guys? I heard gh is alot cheaper today so maybe that's the reason for being able more to push dosages 

Most the 90's top bb'ers managed not dying and those that had problems where mostly kidneys

[AbrahamG]

Flatbread pizza and biscuits and gravy.

Biscuits and gravy is the new plazmosis.

[illuminati]

All these + Cedric where heart giving out right?

seems they are all pushing some compound(s?) hard that causes this, wonder what 
maybe extreme high dose gh compared to 90's guys? I heard gh is alot cheaper today so maybe that's the reason for being able more to push dosages 

Most the 90's top bb'ers managed not dying and those that had problems where mostly kidneys

Dallas = Choked / heart attack
Shawn = Heart attack
Luke =  Suicide

[beakdoctor]

Isn't his coach the same guy associated with the slew of fitness girls that were dying a year or two ago?

[Van_Bilderass]

Ok but what caused it then?

If we are talking about an acute incident where someone obviously needs some type of care immediately with the heart one cause could be pneumonia. Justin Harris claimed recurring pneumonia in older bodybuilders can be a sign of heart failure. I'm not a doctor and can be corrected. That's why it was odd to me Covid didn't claim more bodybuilders

Bodybuilders have to be careful thinking that if they have blood tests they are good to go. Typical blood tests are not telling you that your heart is okay.  Casey Viator told me all his blood tests were good then had a heart attack a short time later. You need tests like a treadmill EKG.  You need scans of your heart to check for thick heart walls. A troponin blood test that shows a recent heart attack isn't done with normal blood work. It's generally done in a hospital if you are in the emergency room with signs of a heart attack. A coronary angiogram is something insurance will cover with cause and not just a wish list check.

You are probably right with the kind of testing needed. My cardiologist, a guy I liked, dropped dead from a heart attack last year. Maybe sometimes nothing can predict an event?

I had an EKG last week. The nurse said, "wow, your're in X" used some technical term and asked if I had heart pains. When I asked again about the term she said it meant heart attack occurring right then 
Probably electrodes didn't attach properly due to hair/sweat.

[Fortress]

Do you think these guys are doing their daily half hour of cardio?

Hahahahahahahahahahaha!

[falco]

Ok so what is your simple list of test in order of importance then to check the heart ? Kidneys liver? Do you think these guys are doing their daily half hour of cardio?

Lol. You just made my day. Are you trolling?

[ESFitness]

holy shit... and I thought I let my waist get too big. wtf

[MAXX]

Dallas = Choked / heart attack
Shawn = Heart attack
Luke =  Suicide

Dallas didnt choke, optopsy said heart attack. Choking on food was just a theory/thought becuase there was food scattered around him if I recall right.

Luke suicide yes some speculated but was it really ever confirmed? what is your source then?