2024 Olympia - Nick Walker is OUT! Withdraws Oct 5

[illuminati]

Dallas didnt choke, optopsy said heart attack. Choking on food was just a theory/thought becuase there was food scattered around him if I recall right.

Luke suicide yes some speculated but was it really ever confirmed? what is your source then?

Did you not read my post ??
I said Dallas choked / heart attack- 


Open Fact in UK luke was a Suicide.
His training partner found him.
Very sad as luke was doing very well - The dark mental demons are awful.

[balzac]

better days...

[oldschoolfan]

the real reason nick started crying is because he knows what his asshole is in store for the next year. nick is going to have to go to dubai and sell his asshole  to rich oil barons. i bet those sick fucks will watch there camels and goats fuck nick up the ass to while blasting rock the casbah

[Van_Bilderass]

Ok so what is your simple list of test in order of importance then to check the heart ? Kidneys liver? Do you think these guys are doing their daily half hour of cardio?

I really believe what Justin Harris said that probably 90% of the detrimental effects of steroids can be avoided if you check your BP all the time and preferably are at about 120/80. I wish I had someone when I started out who really beat it into my head that high BP really does mean bad thingshappen. I'm sure it's impossible to put a percentage on what's most dangerous as steroids will surely affect the heart and kidneys directly.

[MAXX]

I really believe what Justin Harris said that probably 90% of the detrimental effects of steroids can be avoided if you check your BP all the time and preferably are at about 120/80. I wish I had someone when I started out who really beat it into my head that high BP really does mean bad thingshappen. I'm sure it's impossible to put a percentage on what's most dangerous as steroids will surely affect the heart and kidneys directly.

will "high TRT" affect heart to any extent? test cyp 300mg/ew

asking for a friend

[Van_Bilderass]

will "high TRT" affect heart to any extent? test cyp 300mg/ew

asking for a friend

I'm not a doctor but with good BP I wouldn't have a worry in the world even knowing sometimes bad stuff happens. Maybe look in Nattokinase and maybe Pycnogenol. I believe a little taurine and creatine could be heart healthy. S-R-Lipoic acid as well but now it's getting expensive  Edit, actually of ubiquinol was thinking ofThe natto is supposed to be highly recommended for preventing blood clots. If kidneys are a worry astragalus probabmy wont hurt.

[MAXX]

I'm not a doctor but with good BP I wouldn't have a worry in the world even knowing sometimes bad stuff happens. Maybe look in Nattokinase and maybe Pycnogenol. I believe a little taurine and creatine could be heart healthy. S-R-Lipoic acid as well but now it's getting expensive  The natto is supposed to be highly recommended for preventing blood clots. If kidneys are a worry astragalus probabmy wont hurt.

Thanks for the advices! I will check my BP. Never had high bp as natty even though decently muscular. I think I put on around 5-7kg muscle being on test for what 5-6 months or so now. I did low dose anavar for a short while but dropped that. I thought it made me too vascular(!?). So guessing the anavar made my bp go up abit, but not sure. But test alone I see less vascularity now so I'll just stick to this because I'm still gaining strength/improving lifts

I will look in to the supplements. But first should probably do my blood values and lipid profile to know if it's really an issue from the test

[Van_Bilderass]

Thanks for the advices! I will check my BP. Never had high bp as natty even though decently muscular. I think I put on around 5-7kg muscle being on test for what 5-6 months or so now. I did low dose anavar for a short while but dropped that. I thought it made me too vascular(!?). So guessing the anavar made my bp go up abit, but not sure. But test alone I see less vascularity now so I'll just stick to this because I'm still gaining strength/improving lifts

I will look in to the supplements. But first should probably do my blood values and lipid profile to know if it's really an issue from the test

Thw new guidelines say you should be under 120/80, that's the new ideal. I can only speculate but I think keeping it at that can only help your health but I could be wrong. Some natural stuff works a little and thhen you have the drugs. One Indian herbal medicine is called Carditone that is very effective and bodybuilders used to use it alot but now with the medicines why would you.

[1Patrick]

Cedric’s wife posted he has been prepping for ASC and  got pretty bad Covid.He was advised to drop the prep,but he has said it is only 2  weeks  left for the show so he kept going and wanted to take a break right after the show  to get better.And he was vaccinated obviously .
Also George Patterson’s cause of dead was never confirmed.Some said he had to drastically lower the weight for 212 ,but Milos has said he saw him on scale at 198 ,so no issue there .

[GymnJuice]

If we are talking about an acute incident where someone obviously needs some type of care immediately with the heart one cause could be pneumonia. Justin Harris claimed recurring pneumonia in older bodybuilders can be a sign of heart failure. I'm not a doctor and can be corrected. That's why it was odd to me Covid didn't claim more bodybuilders

I think it is more likely that they were misdiagnosed as pneumonia when it was in fact heart failure and not pneumonia, rather than the repeated pneumonias causing the heart failure.

[1Patrick]

It is shame that he is out .Such a classic physique and nice  lines with top notch  V tapper  .And awesome posing routine with no ear cupping.

[ThisisOverload]

It is shame that he is out .Such a classic physique and nice  lines with top notch  V tapper  .And awesome posing routine with no ear cupping.

I thought that was Arnold until i adjusted my glasses a bit.

He's the worst BBer in the last 10 years. This is why BBing is dead to anyone who truly appreciates oiled up men in thongs. no homo

I won't even post in his PIP thread when his heart explodes.

[mops]

PIP Cankle Heart

[wes]

He looks like a shorter squattier version of Kamali !!   

REGRESSION OF PEACE

[Van_Bilderass]

I think it is more likely that they were misdiagnosed as pneumonia when it was in fact heart failure and not pneumonia, rather than the repeated pneumonias causing the heart failure.

I understood it more like the heart failure predisposes you to pneumonias rather than the pneumonia causing heart failure although I'm sure that happens with Covid sometimes even with a healthy heart. Like I said my EF was 35% with Covid and pneumonia and it bounced back but I had LVH previously, like most users.

Another thing. My guess is high doses of GH is probably pretty triggering for heart failure. It's so cheap now so guys use a lot.

[falco]

Dallas didnt choke, optopsy said heart attack. Choking on food was just a theory/thought becuase there was food scattered around him if I recall right.

Luke suicide yes some speculated but was it really ever confirmed? what is your source then?

Chocking can cause you a heart attack or the other way around. What came first is unknown.

[joswift]

Thw new guidelines say you should be under 120/80, that's the new ideal. I can only speculate but I think keeping it at that can only help your health but I could be wrong. Some natural stuff works a little and thhen you have the drugs. One Indian herbal medicine is called Carditone that is very effective and bodybuilders used to use it alot but now with the medicines why would you.

120/80 has been the ideal for at least 50 years I can remember, its something we learned at school

[wes]

120/80 has been the ideal for at least 50 years I can remember, its something we learned at school

I used to always be a consistant 120/70 now it varies a bit, but it`s usually around that or lower.

Too bad the rest of me is fucked!

[Van_Bilderass]

120/80 has been the ideal for at least 50 years I can remember, its something we learned at school

Apparently it has varied by country, a few years ago I read on lef.org that "new" US guidelines were 120/80 but it hadn't filtered down to all practitioners and especially not everywhere in Europe. I asked nurses and they said they never heard of it, they always say for example that my 135/80 is great or perfect lol. Apparently 140 has been some type of limit here.

For example, from google:

One of the most important novelties was the change in the definition of HTN by the American guidelines to a blood pressure ≥130/80 mm Hg. The European guidelines, however, maintained the same classification of BP categories and kept the definition of HTN at 140/90 mm Hg and above

But I believe you that your info was a bit different

Here's what LEF.org says:

"Life Extension has long warned that blood pressure exceeding 115/75 mm Hg can be deadly."

https://www.lifeextension.com/protocols/heart-circulatory/high-blood-pressure

Lef is obviously a supplement seller but they recommend some drugs too. I'm positive the Telmisartan craze in bodybuilding started from some reading this:

https://www.lifeextension.com/magazine/2015/3/best-drug-to-treat-hypertension?srsltid=AfmBOoozm9qPyLnz1kbTjrCBWrfaDo8LGW65B1A1jiuWKK8sf8CfwYYu

[joswift]

"Life Extension has long warned that blood pressure exceeding 115/75 mm Hg can be deadly."

I bet a dollar to a pinch of shit they invest in pharma companies that make BP meds.

[Notomorrow]

I think it is more likely that they were misdiagnosed as pneumonia when it was in fact heart failure and not pneumonia, rather than the repeated pneumonias causing the heart failure.

Exactly. Pneumonia is not a virus, it's not contagious, just means you can't breathe and you're lungs are filling up with fluid, which is exactly what happens in heart failure. But in men under 50 that are athletic, heart failure is not standard protocol to look for by "normal" doctors so they assume it's a virus causing the pneumonia

. Many of these guys saying they "got" pneumonia before a show may have been suffering from heart failure which then resolves after the show. Again, "normal" docs would never know this as heart failure has no cure, normally you're doomed UNLESS it's from bodybuilding. EF should be a vital protocol for gurus. Keep it above say 30 while you're really slamming gear then go off and recover. But what a dangerous way to live. 

This is why it's so vital to have doctors that know bodybuilding.  If you're in heart failure and get an arrythmia, the doc might schedule an ablation, and even insert a pacemaker, not realizing once you go off gear it will resolve.

Like the old Milos story about Benaziza getting killed by "normal" docs as they didn't understand bodybuilding and potassium sparing diuretics..

The bodybuilding community desperately needs docs that understand bodybuilding. Unfortunately Howard Elkin, the only cardiologist specializing in bodybuilders just died of heart failure...... 8

[Fortress]

It is shame that he is out .Such a classic physique and nice  lines with top notch  V tapper  .And awesome posing routine with no ear cupping.

There’s NO excuse … For a top competitive bodybuilder, this is ATROCIOUS.

The more I think about the Nick deal, the more I am convinced. …

He is done.

I feel for him. Genuinely. But he pushed too hard and from now on his body will rebel against all his tried-and-true “protocols”.

His window was two or three years ago. The window’s now shut.

Timing in this scene is everything.

[6 Reps]

According to this guy, heavy GH and insulin blew out his gut:

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[Donny]

Apparently it has varied by country, a few years ago I read on lef.org that "new" US guidelines were 120/80 but it hadn't filtered down to all practitioners and especially not everywhere in Europe. I asked nurses and they said they never heard of it, they always say for example that my 135/80 is great or perfect lol. Apparently 140 has been some type of limit here.

For example, from google:

One of the most important novelties was the change in the definition of HTN by the American guidelines to a blood pressure ≥130/80 mm Hg. The European guidelines, however, maintained the same classification of BP categories and kept the definition of HTN at 140/90 mm Hg and above

But I believe you that your info was a bit different

Here's what LEF.org says:

"Life Extension has long warned that blood pressure exceeding 115/75 mm Hg can be deadly."

https://www.lifeextension.com/protocols/heart-circulatory/high-blood-pressure

Lef is obviously a supplement seller but they recommend some drugs too. I'm positive the Telmisartan craze in bodybuilding started from some reading this:

https://www.lifeextension.com/magazine/2015/3/best-drug-to-treat-hypertension?srsltid=AfmBOoozm9qPyLnz1kbTjrCBWrfaDo8LGW65B1A1jiuWKK8sf8CfwYYu

Blood pressure can also vary with age

https://www.nia.nih.gov/health/high-blood-pressure/high-blood-pressure-and-older-adults

[Block]

Walker is very comparable to Derek Anthony towards the end of his days with the bloated face and out of control mid section.  I suspect kidney issues with Walker and possible dialysis in his future.

- Block!