Doctor, Why Do I Need This STATIN?

[IroNat]

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[deadz]

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I like that guy, anti-establishment.

[Marty Champions]

Beer and cardio  avoid statins imo

Better yeat find what diet soon is the right one before you expire

[robcguns]

I’m taking 20mg of atorvastatin on m,w,f and it’s working great that way. Made all my cholesterol almost perfect and I eat like ass and I’m 275 now. Taking it daily raised my blood sugar and liver values but taking it 3 days weekly provided same results without the sides.

[wes]

I just dropped mine entirely....didn't consult my doctor or anything......fuck it.

[Grape Ape]

I’m taking 20mg of atorvastatin on m,w,f and it’s working great that way. Made all my cholesterol almost perfect and I eat like ass and I’m 275 now. Taking it daily raised my blood sugar and liver values but taking it 3 days weekly provided same results without the sides.

Lipitor is a big boy statin.  Glad it works for you.

I am torn on the whole statin thing.  I see reputable doctors make arguments for and against.  I get the underlying arguments behind both, but I think there is no "one size fits all" here and treatment has to be tailored to the individual.

[oldtimer1]

I have a buddy that bragged about having a 140 cholesterol level. He just had a stent put in. I asked him about it. He said the 140 reading was due to statins and the doc told him he's lucky he found his clog in time. I think statin users have a false sense of protection.

If high cholesterol was the magic bullet why do people with low cholesterol get clog type heart attacks? Statins are one of the most prescribed drugs yet heart attacks are going up instead of down. Most of the research involved with statins was financed by the statin industry. Most studies show no increase in life span and one study shows a 2 year extension. Where are the meta studies showing the miraculous lowering of heart disease and life extension?  They don't exist except for sponsored studies.

Some say a better blood marker for heart disease are sugar levels, CRP cardiac inflammation test, blood pressure and triglycerides. Many say your VO2 test is a better indicator of risk than cholesterol.  Very few heart attacks with a good VO2 level and many with a bad VO2 level.

I don't know what to think about the statin craze.  I know my cholesterol went way down when I lowered my permabulker look by 20lbs.  I thought I looked good back then but in reality it was too much weight.

[IroNat]

I’m taking 20mg of atorvastatin on m,w,f and it’s working great that way. Made all my cholesterol almost perfect and I eat like ass and I’m 275 now. Taking it daily raised my blood sugar and liver values but taking it 3 days weekly provided same results without the sides.

Robc, don't eat like ass and you won't need it.

Statins have been linked to dementia.

[IroNat]

I have a buddy that bragged about having a 140 cholesterol level. He just had a stent put in. I asked him about it. He said the 140 reading was due to statins and the doc told him he's lucky he found his clog in time. I think statin users have a false sense of protection.

If high cholesterol was the magic bullet why do people with low cholesterol get clog type heart attacks? Statins are one of the most prescribed drugs yet heart attacks are going up instead of down. Most of the research involved with statins was financed by the statin industry. Most studies show no increase in life span and one study shows a 2 year extension. Where are the meta studies showing the miraculous lowering of heart disease and life extension?  They don't exist except for sponsored studies.

Some say a better blood marker for heart disease are sugar levels, CRP cardiac inflammation test, blood pressure and triglycerides. Many say your VO2 test is a better indicator of risk than cholesterol.  Very few heart attacks with a good VO2 level and many with a bad VO2 level.

I don't know what to think about the statin craze.  I know my cholesterol went way down when I lowered my permabulker look by 20lbs.  I thought I looked good back then but in reality it was too much weight.

Most of your questions are answered in the video.

He has others in more detail.

Most doctors just knee jerk you onto statins without much thought since it follows Standard of Care.

[Hulkotron]

Goodhart’s Law: when a metric becomes a target, it ceases to be a good metric.

[Humble Narcissist]

Goodhart’s Law: when a metric becomes a target, it ceases to be a good metric.

Very true.

[youandme]

My cholesterol numbers weren’t good. Doctor told me to change my diet and do what I need to do to avoid her having to put me on statins. Vegan and lots of supplements. Taking red yeast rice from Jarrow Supplements and lots of other things.

[joswift]

Remember this, the people who funded the tests that decide when your doctor precribes you statins are the medical companies who make the statins

Most people with "high" cholesterol only have it because they set the bar low.

[wes]

Remember this, the people who funded the tests that decide when your doctor precribes you statins are the medical companies who make the statins

Most people with "high" cholesterol only have it because they set the bar low.

Before I stopped taking them on my own I asked my doctor if I should.......her exact words were ....."Oh no,they`re the only thing keeping you alive' !

What a fucking quack she was.

[bhank]

Never used a statin total cholesterol was 157 last bloodwork

[Wiggs]

Why THE FUCK would you take a statin!? Do you understand the functions of cholesterol? If you take a statin, you're self harming on a deep level.

Just FYi cholesterol has nothing to do with heart disease.  It's a bullshit correlation.  Sugar and carbs should be correlated to heart disease.

DO. NOT. TAKE. STATINS. What the fuck. You're making yourself dumb and weak. Do your research. Deep research not funded by big pharma.

[ProudVirgin69]

Where are the meta studies showing the miraculous lowering of heart disease and life extension?  They don't exist except for sponsored studies.

 

There are plenty of meta studies that do just that.  I suspect you’ve never actually reviewed the existing literature on the subject, or else you wouldn’t make such easily falsifiable statements.

Here’s just one such example:

Results  Twenty-six studies were included: 22 trials (N = 90 624) with 6 months to 6 years of follow-up compared statins vs placebo or no statin, 1 trial (n = 5144) compared statin intensities, and 3 observational studies (n = 417 523) reported harms. Statins were significantly associated with decreased risk of all-cause mortality (risk ratio [RR], 0.92 [95% CI, 0.87 to 0.98]; absolute risk difference [ARD], −0.35% [95% CI, −0.57% to −0.14%]), stroke (RR, 0.78 [95% CI, 0.68 to 0.90]; ARD, −0.39% [95% CI, −0.54% to −0.25%]), myocardial infarction (RR, 0.67 [95% CI, 0.60 to 0.75]; ARD, −0.85% [95% CI, −1.22% to −0.47%]), and composite cardiovascular outcomes (RR, 0.72 [95% CI, 0.64 to 0.81]; ARD, −1.28% [95% CI, −1.61% to −0.95%])

Admittedly, “life extension” was not one of the outcomes measured, but the reduction in all-cause mortality is close enough.  Let me know if you need help understanding these results.

Before you dismiss this study as “sponsored”, review the funding disclosures:

Conflict of Interest Disclosures: Dr Ferencik reported receiving grants from the American Heart Association and serving as a consultant for Biograph Inc. No other disclosures were reported.

Funding/Support: This research was funded under contract HHSA290201500007i; Group A, Task Order 75Q80119F32009, from the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality (AHRQ), US Department of Health and Human Services, under a contract to support the US Preventive Services Task Force (USPSTF).

And this is just one of many meta studies and literature reviews reaching these conclusions.  Do you have any published research that supports your claims?  Please share.

[ElPolloSalmonello]

Last week
Total Cholesterol - 138 (< 200)
Triglyceride - 59 (< 150)
HDL 43 (> 40)
LDL 84 (<130)

Doctor looked at the results, then at my 54 year old gnarly ass - and asked if I was on Statins already. I told her no.

I drink like a fish, eat everything in sight, sleep irregular - I just walk 15-20km a day. My cholesterol was not like this before I started walking daily.

Odd

[Donny]

Last week
Total Cholesterol - 138 (< 200)
Triglyceride - 59 (< 150)
HDL 43 (> 40)
LDL 84 (<130)

Doctor looked at the results, then at my 54 year old gnarly ass - and asked if I was on Statins already. I told her no.

I drink like a fish, eat everything in sight, sleep irregular - I just walk 15-20km a day. My cholesterol was not like this before I started walking daily.

Odd

must have a lot of free time

[oldtimer1]

There are plenty of meta studies that do just that.  I suspect you’ve never actually reviewed the existing literature on the subject, or else you wouldn’t make such easily falsifiable statements.

Here’s just one such example:

Admittedly, “life extension” was not one of the outcomes measured, but the reduction in all-cause mortality is close enough.  Let me know if you need help understanding these results.

Before you dismiss this study as “sponsored”, review the funding disclosures:

And this is just one of many meta studies and literature reviews reaching these conclusions.  Do you have any published research that supports your claims?  Please share.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10374064/#:~:text=Review%20of%20the%20population%20stratified,risk%20factors%20(Table%201).

https://www.healio.com/news/cardiology/20220314/metaanalysis-questions-strength-of-ties-between-statininduced-ldl-lowering-cv-outcomes

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/2821624

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3531501/#:~:text=Statin%20therapy%20resulted%20in%20an,of%200.1%20to%202.8%20y.

[Donny]

Getbig is an amazing place, people without a PHD in Pharmacy know more than a cardiologist   

[ElPolloSalmonello]

must have a lot of free time

lol - I have a small online business - so no commute and flexible hours.

I also don't watch TV - but I reckon I work 8 hours a day most days.

[IroNat]

The point of the video by Dr. Dhand is that making changes in lifestyle will elminate the need for statins and many other drugs that have negative side effects.

He believes such changes are not promoted due to the influence of Big Pharma.

[Donny]

The point of the video by Dr. Dhand is that making changes in lifestyle will elminate the need for statins and many other drugs that have negative side effects.

He believes such changes are not promoted due to the influence of Big Pharma.

https://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/health/conditionsandtreatments/genetic-factors-and-cholesterol

[Grape Ape]

The point of the video by Dr. Dhand is that making changes in lifestyle will elminate the need for statins and many other drugs that have negative side effects.

He believes such changes are not promoted due to the influence of Big Pharma.

No doubt this is the case for many people.

And of course big pharma has terrible influence and thrives off chronic disease and treatment.

But it's not the case for every individual.