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Re: Trump Cabinet Appointments
« Reply #75 on: November 14, 2024, 05:22:48 PM »
C'mon man. 

Department of Health.  Does this person look qualified to tell you how to be healthy, physically or mentally?






As for this...whatever "they" is:

"They served as the deputy assistant secretary of Spent Fuel and Waste Disposition in the Office of Nuclear Energy from June to December 2022. Brinton is no longer employed by the Office of Nuclear Energy after being charged with luggage theft on three separate occasions."



Are you saying the person wasn't qualified based solely on the way they look and the gender identify or are you saying there weren't qualified based on their actual qualifications?

Because how a person looks or their gender identity isn't something I put over their experience, qualifications, and accomplishments.

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Re: Trump Cabinet Appointments
« Reply #76 on: November 14, 2024, 06:05:15 PM »
This is just dripping with arrogance and elitism.  Some of these nominees don't have the stature to hold their positions, according to the liberal elites. 

I love what Trump is doing.  Washington has been run by elites and it has failed.  Time to shake things up.

Trump Keeps Trolling as the ‘Resistance’ Fades
Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth? Attorney General Matt Gaetz? He can’t be serious, can he? Meanwhile, Democrats look for new ways to cope.
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Re: Trump Cabinet Appointments
« Reply #77 on: November 14, 2024, 06:06:14 PM »
How Donald Trump Could Bypass Congress To Install Matt Gaetz As Attorney General
No president has fully tested the constitutional powers to bypass Congress to staff his administration.
By Arthur Delaney, Paul Blumenthal, and Jonathan Nicholson
Nov 14, 2024
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-recess-appointments-adjourn-congress_n_6736188de4b0958bad3e821a

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Re: Trump Cabinet Appointments
« Reply #78 on: November 14, 2024, 06:25:40 PM »
Are you saying the person wasn't qualified based solely on the way they look and the gender identify or are you saying there weren't qualified based on their actual qualifications?

Because how a person looks or their gender identity isn't something I put over their experience, qualifications, and accomplishments.
When they look like that, I put their looks over everything no matter the qualifications. Would you really hire those people above to go out into public and represent your company? Why would we want them representing our country?
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Re: Trump Cabinet Appointments
« Reply #79 on: November 14, 2024, 06:47:47 PM »
When they look like that, I put their looks over everything no matter the qualifications. Would you really hire those people above to go out into public and represent your company? Why would we want them representing our country?

It really depends on the position and how they compare to other candidates.  How they look can be a factor to a point.  For example, I probably wouldn’t want this person to be my ambassador to Russia.  But also, how effective has this person been in this area they are being considered with their present appearance?

Bottom line is,  I don’t fucking care as long as they can effectively do their job.   On a business level, if they look like that, but can for example lead a division that increases its productivity and creates a high standard of performace where everyone buys in, I would definitely consider this person for a promotion even if they look like that. 

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Re: Trump Cabinet Appointments
« Reply #80 on: November 14, 2024, 07:12:04 PM »
How Donald Trump Could Bypass Congress To Install Matt Gaetz As Attorney General
No president has fully tested the constitutional powers to bypass Congress to staff his administration.
By Arthur Delaney, Paul Blumenthal, and Jonathan Nicholson
Nov 14, 2024
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-recess-appointments-adjourn-congress_n_6736188de4b0958bad3e821a

Can't do that - will feed the dictator shit.
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Re: Trump Cabinet Appointments
« Reply #81 on: November 14, 2024, 07:53:37 PM »
It really depends on the position and how they compare to other candidates.  How they look can be a factor to a point.  For example, I probably wouldn’t want this person to be my ambassador to Russia.  But also, how effective has this person been in this area they are being considered with their present appearance?

Bottom line is,  I don’t fucking care as long as they can effectively do their job.   On a business level, if they look like that, but can for example lead a division that increases its productivity and creates a high standard of performace where everyone buys in, I would definitely consider this person for a promotion even if they look like that.


Good for you & not so good for others.

If they have that much mental disturbance showing on the outside
I'd certainly be questioning the hidden mental disturbances on the inside.

Opinions vary.

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Re: Trump Cabinet Appointments
« Reply #82 on: November 14, 2024, 08:38:55 PM »

Good for you & not so good for others.

If they have that much mental disturbance showing on the outside
I'd certainly be questioning the hidden mental disturbances on the inside.

Opinions vary.

Depends.   People typically (not always) woundn’t get to a position that high or be considered that for a high  position if their metal health was interfering with their judgement or ability to do their jobs.   Some jobs require a psyche evaluation some don’t.  Plenty of straight people are fucked up in the head.  Plenty of transgenders are too as well as there are transgenders who are not. 

I don’t t know this person, nor do I know their track record, qualifications or physical or mental health.  Additionally, I don’t know what other candidates were available.  Even more….   I don’t have the back ground to make an informed choice for this position. 

But I wouldn’t rule a person out based on the way they look or the fact they are a transgender in most cases. 




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Re: Trump Cabinet Appointments
« Reply #83 on: November 14, 2024, 08:44:36 PM »
Depends.   People typically (not always) woundn’t get to a position that high or be considered that for a high  position if their metal health was interfering with their judgement or ability to do their jobs.   Some jobs require a psyche evaluation some don’t.  Plenty of straight people are fucked up in the head.  Plenty of transgenders are too as well as there are transgenders who are not. 

I don’t t know this person, nor do I know their track record, qualifications or physical or mental health.  Additionally, I don’t know what other candidates were available.  Even more….   I don’t have the back ground to make an informed choice for this position. 

But I wouldn’t rule a person out based on the way they look or the fact they are a transgender in most cases.

Transgender is a mental illness.  Someone should not be in charge of the nation's health who suffers from this.

But all that aside, this is an Occam's razor-ish type thing - you had an admin that went over the top with virtue signaling, and openly stating they wanted the most diverse cabinet, and even went as far as listing skin color and sex as the starting criteria for VP.  Given that, do you really think the best possible qualified candidate for this just happened to be trans?
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Re: Trump Cabinet Appointments
« Reply #84 on: November 14, 2024, 09:08:52 PM »
Transgender is a mental illness.  Someone should not be in charge of the nation's health who suffers from this.

But all that aside, this is an Occam's razor-ish type thing - you had an admin that went over the top with virtue signaling, and openly stating they wanted the most diverse cabinet, and even went as far as listing skin color and sex as the starting criteria for VP.  Given that, do you really think the best possible qualified candidate for this just happened to be trans?

It would be hard to quantify what is and what isn’t a mental illness without some opinion or subjectivity.  Most people are fucked up in the head in some way.  I know I am.  Personally, what ever makes you happy. I don’t care.   I don’t believe transgender is a mental illness.   Now, I do believe some transgenders are mentally ill and some are not. I know transgenders who are perfectly happy with themselves and live satisfying productive lives. 

I don’t know who else was being considered.  I acknowledge the political angle to this and suspect they were chosen for political reasons.  But again, as I said, I don’t have all the facts in front of me.

To clear this out a bit:

If there was a better qualified candidate that I felt could make my vision a reality I would have picked them. 

Loyalty wouldn’t be as an important factor as whether or not they shared the same vision and had the ability to make it happen would be.

As president I would be forced to consider the political side of appointing someone as a factor.  I hate that shit.

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Re: Trump Cabinet Appointments
« Reply #85 on: November 15, 2024, 12:20:47 AM »
Can't do that - will feed the dictator shit.

Why should he care about perception?  Especially after the lawfare he has experienced.  He's got one term to get things done.  Screw those guys.  So long as he is not violating the law, he should do whatever he can to get his people appointed and implement his agenda. 

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« Reply #86 on: November 15, 2024, 12:41:32 AM »
Why should he care about perception?  Especially after the lawfare he has experienced.  He's got one term to get things done.  Screw those guys.  So long as he is not violating the law, he should do whatever he can to get his people appointed and implement his agenda.
Yep, screw them. Full speed ahead!

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Re: Trump Cabinet Appointments
« Reply #87 on: November 15, 2024, 04:09:45 AM »
Why should he care about perception?  Especially after the lawfare he has experienced.  He's got one term to get things done.  Screw those guys.  So long as he is not violating the law, he should do whatever he can to get his people appointed and implement his agenda.

Exactly!

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Re: Trump Cabinet Appointments
« Reply #88 on: November 15, 2024, 06:13:55 AM »
Why should he care about perception?  Especially after the lawfare he has experienced.  He's got one term to get things done.  Screw those guys.  So long as he is not violating the law, he should do whatever he can to get his people appointed and implement his agenda.

Because I want the cycle of the parties flipping to stop and want these guys to be in charge for awhile.  Hopefully that happens due to policy and such, but would also like to stop the extreme divisiveness.  While I blame the left for most of this, why give unnecessary ammo?
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Re: Trump Cabinet Appointments
« Reply #89 on: November 15, 2024, 06:14:37 AM »
Loyalty to Donald Trump uber alles
how difficult is that for rinos to understand ?
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Re: Trump Cabinet Appointments
« Reply #90 on: November 15, 2024, 06:21:01 AM »
Depends.   People typically (not always) woundn’t get to a position that high or be considered that for a high  position if their metal health was interfering with their judgement or ability to do their jobs.   Some jobs require a psyche evaluation some don’t.  Plenty of straight people are fucked up in the head.  Plenty of transgenders are too as well as there are transgenders who are not. 
Brinton got put in that position with obvious mental illness - All Men or women who think they're not what sex they are - clearly they're
mentally unwell.

don’t t know this person, nor do I know their track record, qualifications or physical or mental health.  Additionally, I don’t know what other candidates were available.  Even more….   I don’t have the back ground to make an informed choice for this position. 

But I wouldn’t rule a person out based on the way they look or the fact they are a transgender in most cases.
I see it as a huge RED flag - I'd definitely rule them out
they're genetic weakness.


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Re: Trump Cabinet Appointments
« Reply #91 on: November 15, 2024, 06:37:57 AM »
It would be hard to quantify what is and what isn’t a mental illness without some opinion or subjectivity.  Most people are fucked up in the head in some way.  I know I am.  Personally, what ever makes you happy. I don’t care.   I don’t believe transgender is a mental illness.   Now, I do believe some transgenders are mentally ill and some are not. I know transgenders who are perfectly happy with themselves and live satisfying productive lives. 

I don’t know who else was being considered.  I acknowledge the political angle to this and suspect they were chosen for political reasons.  But again, as I said, I don’t have all the facts in front of me.

To clear this out a bit:

If there was a better qualified candidate that I felt could make my vision a reality I would have picked them. 

Loyalty wouldn’t be as an important factor as whether or not they shared the same vision and had the ability to make it happen would be.

As president I would be forced to consider the political side of appointing someone as a factor.  I hate that shit.

Transgenderism is gender dysphoria.  Some, like the WHO, have moved this out of "mental condition" to something else, but that's just virtue signaling / optics.

You can still live satisfying and productive lives while having a condition.

But I do get what you mean, and I understand your common sense approach.  But for the original context around levine, there is no way anyone could convince me the condition wasn't a factor.  All roads point to it.
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Re: Trump Cabinet Appointments
« Reply #92 on: November 15, 2024, 06:39:45 AM »
Ozmo's a good guy, but this is severe mental-illness, period...


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Re: Trump Cabinet Appointments
« Reply #93 on: November 15, 2024, 11:34:45 AM »
Transgenderism is gender dysphoria.  Some, like the WHO, have moved this out of "mental condition" to something else, but that's just virtue signaling / optics.

You can still live satisfying and productive lives while having a condition.

But I do get what you mean, and I understand your common sense approach.  But for the original context around levine, there is no way anyone could convince me the condition wasn't a factor.  All roads point to it.

Yeah hard to deny that as a factor.   I try to default as often as I can in the absence of information to an objective stance.  But it’s pretty clear here.   

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Re: Trump Cabinet Appointments
« Reply #94 on: November 15, 2024, 01:47:21 PM »
Mr Trump is a convicted sex pest that plays around with porn stars
Mr Kennedy makes Mr Trump look celibate
Mr Gaetz plays with and possibly traffics in minors
Mr Hegseth patty cakes with interns
Ms Noem, when not killing more pets than haitians ,canoodled with the big lewandowsk
while Mr Musk has an ambigious relationship with AI

Mr Bill must be shaking his head in wonderment
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« Reply #95 on: November 15, 2024, 02:03:13 PM »
Mr Trump is a convicted sex pest that plays around with porn stars
Mr Kennedy makes Mr Trump look celibate
Mr Gaetz plays with and possibly traffics in minors
Mr Hegseth patty cakes with interns
Ms Noem, when not killing more pets than haitians ,canoodled with the big lewandowsk
while Mr Musk has an ambigious relationship with AI

Mr Bill must be shaking his head in wonderment







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Re: Trump Cabinet Appointments
« Reply #96 on: November 15, 2024, 04:49:28 PM »
Ozmo's a good guy, but this is severe mental-illness, period...


Absolutely mental illness. I seriously doubt that if Ozmo ran his own business that he would really promote something like that to represent his business publicly.
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« Reply #97 on: November 15, 2024, 05:43:01 PM »
The problem is that usually these people cannot just clock in, do their job, clock out and be done. Very often their priority is to showcase and promote their mental illness or whatever sexual/mental peculiarity they have, which takes over every aspect of their life and they use their job as a platform for this.

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« Reply #98 on: November 15, 2024, 08:19:49 PM »
Absolutely mental illness. I seriously doubt that if Ozmo ran his own business that he would really promote something like that to represent his business publicly.

Again depends on the business and the position.   So there might situations where I wouldn’t.   

 Right now I have a transgender working part time for me whose job deals with the public. No issues here.   Also have 3 they/thems working for me too. No issues either.  They can either get the job done or they can’t. I am not a big fan of it, but if they get results I don’t care.  Also, they don’t “promote” anything.   

I have been in sales and sales management for 30+ years.  I’ve worked with many hundreds and hundreds of people.

How would you define a mental illness?



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Re: Trump Cabinet Appointments
« Reply #99 on: November 16, 2024, 01:05:16 AM »
Ozmo's a good guy, but this is severe mental-illness, period...


Pretty hot for a democrat. :-\