Liberal Arrogance

[Grape Ape]

And yes, less intelligent people support trump, have a lower education and have poor critical thinking skills. The man is an example of someone who is not that bright getting ahead. You think that he is intelligent which is hilarious. He is not, he is successful and is so because of factors not related to intelligence, charisma, charm, being a sociopath, starting with 400 million, industriousness etc.

According to you, he's a dummy.  Despite that, he's apparently able to lead you and your ilk around by a string, and constantly manipulate the left into self destruction. 

He's also single handedly dismantled the national media as we know it.

Imagine how much more he could do if he IQ was a bit higher.

[Dos Equis]

You have no idea what you are talking about. Do you realize how hard it is to get a PHD? lolol or a doctorate? its not a matter of work ethic, you have to be a certain level of intelligence.

You need a certain level of intelligence to manage finances but its not much. Finances management have way more to do with impulse control, concern for money etc.. then intelligence. I don't think you understand what intelligence is, what IQ is measuring. You are talking about things like being pragmatic, controlled, disciplined etc.. they correlate with intelligence very weakly. reasoning and spatial awareness appear to correlate to the highest degree.

The PHD is more intelligent, he may have poor impulse control, less access to resources, less support etc..

You are not talking about the same thing as me and this would explain the disconnect here.

And yes, less intelligent people support trump, have a lower education and have poor critical thinking skills. The man is an example of someone who is not that bright getting ahead. You think that he is intelligent which is hilarious. He is not, he is successful and is so because of factors not related to intelligence, charisma, charm, being a sociopath, starting with 400 million, industriousness etc.

A PHD in math is lightyears more intelligent then trump. The fact that you don't understand that tells me that you likely have never went to school or achieved a higher level of education. They can handle far more complex data and recognize patterns of far more complexity, have faster processing, far better memories etc. Do you have any gifted friends?

Liberals obtain higher education, that's a fact.  The higher up you go the smarter the person tends to be, it's been researched.

You are conflating various factors with intelligence.

Also, what would aspergers explain? it would be interesting to hear your perverted view of what that means or would mean.

Have you ever done any pschosocial educational assessments? none of the things you are stating are measure on IQ and various cognitive tests, none.

So do you have Asperger's Syndrome or not?  I'm not judging you if you do and I don't think it's a bad thing.  It would just explain a lot of how you communicate on the board. 

You are correct about one thing:  we are talking about different components that constitute intelligence.  Your view is myopic.  It is limited to IQ and higher education.  Mine is comprehensive.  It's includes IQ, education, emotional intelligence, life experience, self-control, the ability to socially interact with a wide variety of people, etc.  And yes, one of the ways intelligence manifests itself is the ability to manage one's affairs, including finances.  A person with a PhD has shown mastery of one subject, but not necessarily all other components that make up intelligence.   

But I want to focus on this word salad from you:  "The man is an example of someone who is not that bright getting ahead. You think that he is intelligent which is hilarious. He is not, he is successful and is so because of factors not related to intelligence, charisma, charm, being a sociopath, starting with 400 million, industriousness etc."

This is retarded.  Trump graduated from one of the best universities in the country, so he has the higher education you are so focused on. 

He did not start with "$400 million."  That is a made up number by a biased media outlet.  You will not find any actual facts/evidence supporting this "$400 million." 

Regardless of what he started with, he became one of the most successful real estate developers in American history.  His brand is everywhere.  All over the world.  People pay him money just to use his name.  He is literally one of the wealthiest persons on the planet.

He became POTUS, twice, with zero political experience and with incredible forces fighting him, including the media, academia, Hollywood, Congress, the courts, etc.  They tried to put him in jail for life, tried to bankrupt him, tried to destroy his family, accused him of being a Russian spy, etc.  And despite all of that he has been remarkably successful.  The man is several moves ahead of his opponents.  Constantly.  Anyone not suffering from TDS can see how successful and intelligent the man is.

And you can cling to that talking point about whether intelligent people support liberals, less intelligent people support Trump, etc., but it just shows how simple minded you are.  For example, no truly intelligent person (not suffering from TDS) believes men and women are on equal footing when it comes to sports and athletics.  It's science.  Or that a little boy should have his penis amputated.  Or a little girl should have her breasts amputated.  Or that a child should be given puberty blockers. 

But you keep believing you are the smartest person in the room.  You're not. 

[illuminati]

So do you have Asperger's Syndrome or not?  I'm not judging you if you do and I don't think it's a bad thing.  It would just explain a lot of how you communicate on the board. 

You are correct about one thing:  we are talking about different components that constitute intelligence.  Your view is myopic.  It is limited to IQ and higher education.  Mine is comprehensive.  It's includes IQ, education, emotional intelligence, life experience, self-control, the ability to socially interact with a wide variety of people, etc.  And yes, one of the ways intelligence manifests itself is the ability to manage one's affairs, including finances.  A person with a PhD has shown mastery of one subject, but not necessarily all other components that make up intelligence.   

But I want to focus on this word salad from you:  "The man is an example of someone who is not that bright getting ahead. You think that he is intelligent which is hilarious. He is not, he is successful and is so because of factors not related to intelligence, charisma, charm, being a sociopath, starting with 400 million, industriousness etc."

This is retarded.  Trump graduated from one of the best universities in the country, so he has the higher education you are so focused on. 

He did not start with "$400 million."  That is a made up number by a biased media outlet.  You will not find any actual facts/evidence supporting this "$400 million." 

Regardless of what he started with, he became of the most successful real estate developers in American history.  His brand is everywhere.  All over the world.  People pay him money just to use his name.  He is literally one of the wealthiest persons on the planet.

He became POTUS, twice, with zero political experience and with incredibly forces fighting him, including the media, academia, Hollywood, Congress, the courts, etc.  They tried to put him in jail for life, tried to bankrupt him, tried to destroy his family, accused him of being a Russian spy, etc.  And despite all of that he has been remarkably successful.  The man is several moves ahead of his opponents.  Constantly.  Anyone not suffering from TDS can see how successful and intelligent the man is.

And you can cling to that talking point about whether intelligent people support liberals, less intelligent people support Trump, etc., but it just shows how simple minded you are.  For example, no truly intelligent person (not suffering from TDS) believes men and women are on equal footing when it comes to sports and athletics.  It's science.  Or that a little boy should have his penis amputated.  Or a little girl should have her breasts amputated.  Or that a child should be given puberty blockers. 

But you keep believing you are the smartest person in the room.  You're not.

Pls Remember who you’re dealing with
It really does explain a lot .

[Dos Equis]

I didnt see the limited experience with people comment, thats a very odd thing to say, I sit with people all day long for a living lol. Its also a very strange assumption lol.

You do realize that IQ is a thing right?  Can you not tell when you are talking to someone if they are bright? the explanations the give, the depth, cognitive agility etc. The different topics they can speak intelligently on etc.. its pretty easy to tell.  I have people on my team that do testing and its not hard to spot the brilliant kids from the avg ones. Hard work would trump it all in my opinion but thats a different story.

I interact with people from all walks of life all the time.  I can typically tell within a matter of minutes whether that person has higher education.  What you are unable to grasp is that higher education doesn't necessarily mean the person is intelligent. 

Here is one example.  Look at these clips of Katie Porter, who wants to be Governor of California.  She went to Yale undergad and Harvard law school.  She's an idiot. 

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Now compare her to Charlie Kirk, who was a high school graduate.  He would run circles around Katie Porter and was head and shoulders more intelligent than she is. 

[Necrosis]

So do you have Asperger's Syndrome or not?  I'm not judging you if you do and I don't think it's a bad thing.  It would just explain a lot of how you communicate on the board.

-- how do I interact?

You are correct about one thing:  we are talking about different components that constitute intelligence.  Your view is myopic.  It is limited to IQ and higher education.  Mine is comprehensive.  It's includes IQ, education, emotional intelligence, life experience, self-control, the ability to socially interact with a wide variety of people, etc.  And yes, one of the ways intelligence manifests itself is the ability to manage one's affairs, including finances.  A person with a PhD has shown mastery of one subject, but not necessarily all other components that make up intelligence.   


--My view is based on knowledge about what constitutes intelligence. To obtain higher education you require all of these things, do you not understand that. You cannot be stupid and obtain a PHD or MD. The things you are including have almost no impact on intelligence. Like self control, someone can be genius but have addiction issues- it has zero bearing on that- social skills are not related to any metric or test I have seen or reviewed from any professional, there are numerous disorders where this would be impaired, in both highly intelligent and low intelligence- poor theory of mind in ASD, BPD, NPD amongst others.
--You have zero idea how hard an actual PHD is to get if you think managing finances makes one smart and that all a phd is in intelligence in one area, its knoweldge in a specific area and it shows a mastery of time management, self-control (hours upon hours of grueling study of complex material), discipline, complex problem solving, high level memory and retrival, etc thats what higher education correlates with higher intelligence. I am not debating this, its a fact and anything you can lump into your expansive definition is included in a PHD, often at higher levels.
--Einstein had aspergers, do you think because he wasnt found of chit chat that your friend running his business could ever match his intelligence? he never had much money, probably handled it poorly amongst other things, but his intelligence and iq aka his ability to solve more complex problems and think more deeply about things is way higher then most anyone ever.
--IQ and EQ are often inversely related. You might want to read up on what you are talking about because it sounds like an opinion while I am talking about facts and experience.

But I want to focus on this word salad from you:  "The man is an example of someone who is not that bright getting ahead. You think that he is intelligent which is hilarious. He is not, he is successful and is so because of factors not related to intelligence, charisma, charm, being a sociopath, starting with 400 million, industriousness etc."

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This is retarded.  Trump graduated from one of the best universities in the country, so he has the higher education you are so focused on.

- oh yes daddy paid him through lolol please stop with that shit. He is a con-man.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/10/12/1705902/-Former-Wharton-Professor-Donald-Trump-Is-the-Dumbest-Goddam-Student-I-Ever-Had



He did not start with "$400 million."  That is a made up number by a biased media outlet.  You will not find any actual facts/evidence supporting this "$400 million."

--sorry was it 100million?

Regardless of what he started with, he became of the most successful real estate developers in American history.  His brand is everywhere.  All over the world.  People pay him money just to use his name.  He is literally one of the wealthiest persons on the planet.

- He has become one of the wealthiest people on the planet mostly via crypto.
- you cant say regardless of what he started with, what was his father again?
- he is good at marketing

He became POTUS, twice, with zero political experience and with incredibly forces fighting him, including the media, academia, Hollywood, Congress, the courts, etc.  They tried to put him in jail for life, tried to bankrupt him, tried to destroy his family, accused him of being a Russian spy, etc.  And despite all of that he has been remarkably successful.  The man is several moves ahead of his opponents.  Constantly.  Anyone not suffering from TDS can see how successful and intelligent the man is.

-- omfg lololol ya trump is playing 4d chess. He is successful, mainly by being a fucking con-man grifter- a fucking fact. He has used crypto to rug pull people, shorts people constantly, has bankrupted casinos and has a slew of unsuccessful business ventures.
--Again this is not related to intelligence. Just say you haven't met an intelligent person bud, its ok. Most with any high degree of intelligence don't chase money but virture and live an intellectual life. Trump probably hasn't read a book. He may be industrious, charming, high energy, relentless and a slew of other things but he is not intelligent. If you were to ask him to elaborate on anything, he simply cannot.

And you can cling to that talking point about whether intelligent people support liberals, less intelligent people support Trump, etc., but it just shows how simple minded you are.  For example, no truly intelligent person (not suffering from TDS) believes men and women are on equal footing when it comes to sports and athletics.  It's science.  Or that a little boy should have his penis amputated.  Or a little girl should have her breasts amputated.  Or that a child should be given puberty blockers.

-- I know plenty of liberals who do not support any of that, you are talking far left nutbags. not sure what your point was here. I am a centrist, probably slight right center.

But you keep believing you are the smartest person in the room.  You're not.

-- you keep bringing up my intelligence, thank you. I did skip a grade and graduated 2 years earlier for first undergrad. I know what my IQ is and and based on that fact what part of the population I fall into. However, thats speaks only to my ability to reason, store information, recognize patterns etc it says nothing about social skill, emotional intelligence, pragmatism, work ethic, diligence, character, mood regulation etc et.

I am autodidactic as well so those things would be very important.

[Necrosis]

I interact with people from all walks of life all the time.  I can typically tell within a matter of minutes whether that person has higher education.  What you are unable to grasp is that higher education doesn't necessarily mean the person is intelligent. 

Here is one example.  Look at these clips of Katie Porter, who wants to be Governor of California.  She went to Yale undergad and Harvard law school.  She's an idiot. 

  [/youtube]

  [/youtube]

Now compare her to Charlie Kirk, who was a high school graduate.  He would run circles around Katie Porter and was head and shoulders more intelligent than she is.

You cannot achieve a PHD and be stupid. There is research on this, this is a fact, the higher your education goes the smarter one tends to be. Its a correlation however.

So can you be stupid and be a medical doctor, it does not appear so, the amount of complex information required to store, utilize and manipulate is vast its simply doesn't add up. The studies all show this.

That's why you need to seperate knowledge from intelligence. thats why testing is important, standardized testing which takes that out of the equation. As the questions become more complex and you have less time to solve them only the smartest will answer them.

Charlie is definitely smart, well read on the topics he is interested in, i don't know who this person is above and in that clip she seems agitated and flustered- again there are factors like social anxiety, performance anxiety etcetc which would cause this.

I am saying there is standard testing for intelligence, we know this, it is highly accurate and prescise, it measures a construct called G and these tests approximate it better in a standard setting to avoid stress, anxiety etc etc..

this correlate has been found to increase with higher education- of those who apply for a phd- probably 100s only a few are selected. In med school only a few are selected.

Is business success correlated with this? I am unsure I can find out though.

Can you confirm you understand my position? Because if we are not talking about the same thing I dont see how we can communicate.

[Necrosis]

According to you, he's a dummy.  Despite that, he's apparently able to lead you and your ilk around by a string, and constantly manipulate the left into self destruction. 

He's also single handedly dismantled the national media as we know it.

Imagine how much more he could do if he IQ was a bit higher.

I enjoy polemics, I only care about what he does to my portfolio and some other stuff . other then that he has been great entertainment.

He is a malignant narc, of course he is going to drive everyone nuts, thats what they do. Manipulate, lie, not play by the rules etc..

that doesn't signal intelligence it signals pathology.

[Dos Equis]

So do you have Asperger's Syndrome or not?  I'm not judging you if you do and I don't think it's a bad thing.  It would just explain a lot of how you communicate on the board.

-- how do I interact?

You are correct about one thing:  we are talking about different components that constitute intelligence.  Your view is myopic.  It is limited to IQ and higher education.  Mine is comprehensive.  It's includes IQ, education, emotional intelligence, life experience, self-control, the ability to socially interact with a wide variety of people, etc.  And yes, one of the ways intelligence manifests itself is the ability to manage one's affairs, including finances.  A person with a PhD has shown mastery of one subject, but not necessarily all other components that make up intelligence.   


--My view is based on knowledge about what constitutes intelligence. To obtain higher education you require all of these things, do you not understand that. You cannot be stupid and obtain a PHD or MD. The things you are including have almost no impact on intelligence. Like self control, someone can be genius but have addiction issues- it has zero bearing on that- social skills are not related to any metric or test I have seen or reviewed from any professional, there are numerous disorders where this would be impaired, in both highly intelligent and low intelligence- poor theory of mind in ASD, BPD, NPD amongst others.
--You have zero idea how hard an actual PHD is to get if you think managing finances makes one smart and that all a phd is in intelligence in one area, its knoweldge in a specific area and it shows a mastery of time management, self-control (hours upon hours of grueling study of complex material), discipline, complex problem solving, high level memory and retrival, etc thats what higher education correlates with higher intelligence. I am not debating this, its a fact and anything you can lump into your expansive definition is included in a PHD, often at higher levels.
--Einstein had aspergers, do you think because he wasnt found of chit chat that your friend running his business could ever match his intelligence? he never had much money, probably handled it poorly amongst other things, but his intelligence and iq aka his ability to solve more complex problems and think more deeply about things is way higher then most anyone ever.
--IQ and EQ are often inversely related. You might want to read up on what you are talking about because it sounds like an opinion while I am talking about facts and experience.

But I want to focus on this word salad from you:  "The man is an example of someone who is not that bright getting ahead. You think that he is intelligent which is hilarious. He is not, he is successful and is so because of factors not related to intelligence, charisma, charm, being a sociopath, starting with 400 million, industriousness etc."

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This is retarded.  Trump graduated from one of the best universities in the country, so he has the higher education you are so focused on.

- oh yes daddy paid him through lolol please stop with that shit. He is a con-man.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/10/12/1705902/-Former-Wharton-Professor-Donald-Trump-Is-the-Dumbest-Goddam-Student-I-Ever-Had



He did not start with "$400 million."  That is a made up number by a biased media outlet.  You will not find any actual facts/evidence supporting this "$400 million."

--sorry was it 100million?

Regardless of what he started with, he became of the most successful real estate developers in American history.  His brand is everywhere.  All over the world.  People pay him money just to use his name.  He is literally one of the wealthiest persons on the planet.

- He has become one of the wealthiest people on the planet mostly via crypto.
- you cant say regardless of what he started with, what was his father again?
- he is good at marketing

He became POTUS, twice, with zero political experience and with incredibly forces fighting him, including the media, academia, Hollywood, Congress, the courts, etc.  They tried to put him in jail for life, tried to bankrupt him, tried to destroy his family, accused him of being a Russian spy, etc.  And despite all of that he has been remarkably successful.  The man is several moves ahead of his opponents.  Constantly.  Anyone not suffering from TDS can see how successful and intelligent the man is.

-- omfg lololol ya trump is playing 4d chess. He is successful, mainly by being a fucking con-man grifter- a fucking fact. He has used crypto to rug pull people, shorts people constantly, has bankrupted casinos and has a slew of unsuccessful business ventures.
--Again this is not related to intelligence. Just say you haven't met an intelligent person bud, its ok. Most with any high degree of intelligence don't chase money but virture and live an intellectual life. Trump probably hasn't read a book. He may be industrious, charming, high energy, relentless and a slew of other things but he is not intelligent. If you were to ask him to elaborate on anything, he simply cannot.

And you can cling to that talking point about whether intelligent people support liberals, less intelligent people support Trump, etc., but it just shows how simple minded you are.  For example, no truly intelligent person (not suffering from TDS) believes men and women are on equal footing when it comes to sports and athletics.  It's science.  Or that a little boy should have his penis amputated.  Or a little girl should have her breasts amputated.  Or that a child should be given puberty blockers.

-- I know plenty of liberals who do not support any of that, you are talking far left nutbags. not sure what your point was here. I am a centrist, probably slight right center.

But you keep believing you are the smartest person in the room.  You're not.

-- you keep bringing up my intelligence, thank you. I did skip a grade and graduated 2 years earlier for first undergrad. I know what my IQ is and and based on that fact what part of the population I fall into. However, thats speaks only to my ability to reason, store information, recognize patterns etc it says nothing about social skill, emotional intelligence, pragmatism, work ethic, diligence, character, mood regulation etc et.

I am autodidactic as well so those things would be very important.

Good grief.  Did you really post a Daily Kos article?  lol   

Trump earned his wealth through crypto?  You really are being a troll.  He was a billionaire long before crypto was a thing.  He earned his billions in real estate.  For someone harping on this whole intelligence thing, you say some pretty unintelligent, easily disprovable things. 

Like the "$400 million."  Now you are saying "$100 million"?  Exactly how much did he get from his father? 

[Dos Equis]

You cannot achieve a PHD and be stupid. There is research on this, this is a fact, the higher your education goes the smarter one tends to be. Its a correlation however.

So can you be stupid and be a medical doctor, it does not appear so, the amount of complex information required to store, utilize and manipulate is vast its simply doesn't add up. The studies all show this.

That's why you need to seperate knowledge from intelligence. thats why testing is important, standardized testing which takes that out of the equation. As the questions become more complex and you have less time to solve them only the smartest will answer them.

Charlie is definitely smart, well read on the topics he is interested in, i don't know who this person is above and in that clip she seems agitated and flustered- again there are factors like social anxiety, performance anxiety etcetc which would cause this.

I am saying there is standard testing for intelligence, we know this, it is highly accurate and prescise, it measures a construct called G and these tests approximate it better in a standard setting to avoid stress, anxiety etc etc..

this correlate has been found to increase with higher education- of those who apply for a phd- probably 100s only a few are selected. In med school only a few are selected.

Is business success correlated with this? I am unsure I can find out though.

Can you confirm you understand my position? Because if we are not talking about the same thing I dont see how we can communicate.

I understand your position.  I disagree with your position.  You believe IQ and higher education = intelligence. 

My position is a lot more complex.  I think IQ and higher education are factors, but not necessarily determinative.  I've met too many highly educated idiots and too many incredibly intelligent high school graduates to conclude otherwise. 

I'm beating a dead horse here, but an advanced degree makes someone a presumptive expert in that particular field of study.  It does not mean the person is necessarily highly intelligent.  Even an autistic person can master particular areas.   

Your viewpoint is so incredibly narrow that I have to believe you are just being a troll.

[Necrosis]

Good grief.  Did you really post a Daily Kos article?  lol   

Trump earned his wealth through crypto?  You really are being a troll.  He was a billionaire long before crypto was a thing.  He earned his billions in real estate.  For someone harping on this whole intelligence thing, you say some pretty unintelligent, easily disprovable things. 

Like the "$400 million."  Now you are saying "$100 million"?  Exactly how much did he get from his father?

he has doubled his net worth this year, mainly through crypto. So it took him how many years to make so much then double it in 9 months in crypto. My point stands. I guess it would be depend on what you meant by one of the most, I would not consider him one of the most and if he is its because his net worth doubled. What is one of the most, top 100, top 1000? I mean he was probably worth a couple of billion which would put him on the bottom rungs of the billionaires.

400 million is what I have seen reported. The quote from the article still stands, disprove it then.

https://apnews.com/article/0452d29cd2564eaf97605ab90acc3a67

I have seen it reported that it was a 60 million loan and over 400 inherited. as if he didnt have a silver spoon and opportunities in real estate because of his father, come on man, jesus.

[Necrosis]

I understand your position.  I disagree with you position.  You believe IQ and higher education = intelligence. 

My position is a lot more complex.  I think IQ and higher education are factors, but not necessarily determinative.  I've met too many highly educated idiots and too many incredibly intelligent high school graduates to conclude otherwise. 

I'm beating a dead horse here, but an advanced degree makes someone a presumptive expert in that particular field of study.  It does not mean the person is necessarily highly intelligent.  Even an autistic person can master particular areas.   

Your viewpoint is so incredibly narrow that I have to believe you are just being a troll.

You do not understand my position. You do understand what correlation means right? You position is a lot more complex because of noise not signal. You are including factors that are not intelligence, like work ethic, which I value more highly for example.

you have not given a proper definition of intelligence and muddled it with factors unrelated. It's so diluted I am not even sure what you are talking about. When a family comes to the clinic and they want to know what stream of school to place him in, the psychologist administers psychoeducational assessments, which measure cognitive ability- none of the shit you are saying- and give a iq based on all the factors of this standardized test. Sometimes the kids have high working memory but poor written output, or terrible reasoning and comprehension- this all get factored him compared to other kids and we arrive at something approximating intelligence.

So again, higher education correlates with IQ strongly. Does success in business also correlate and to what degree I do not know, does self- control correlate- not really, does wealth correlate- weakly.

So answer this question can someone who isn't very bright become a specialist in medicine? you think they would pass the MCAT etc?

Elon musk is autistic, he is literally the most successful person on earth, is he the smartest person on earth?

[Dos Equis]

he has doubled his net worth this year, mainly through crypto. So it took him how many years to make so much then double it in 9 months in crypto. My point stands. I guess it would be depend on what you meant by one of the most, I would not consider him one of the most and if he is its because his net worth doubled. What is one of the most, top 100, top 1000? I mean he was probably worth a couple of billion which would put him on the bottom rungs of the billionaires.

400 million is what I have seen reported. The quote from the article still stands, disprove it then.

https://apnews.com/article/0452d29cd2564eaf97605ab90acc3a67

I have seen it reported that it was a 60 million loan and over 400 inherited. as if he didnt have a silver spoon and opportunities in real estate because of his father, come on man, jesus.

Dude.  I suck at math, but even I can figure this out.  The world population is about 8 billion.  There are only about 3,000 billionaires worldwide.  So yes, Trump was one of the wealthiest persons on the planet before he became POTUS, having nothing to do with crypto. 

I don't need to disprove reporting from a biased news source that isn't providing actual evidence to support their contention.  It's stupid. 

Trump definitely started ahead of where the average American would be, but the fact he took what he had and multiplied it many times over is evidence of how smart the man is.  For example, not every trust fund baby maintains or grows their wealth.  And none of them become one of the wealthiest persons on earth and then literally the most powerful person on earth. 

[Necrosis]

Dude.  I suck at math, but even I can figure this out.  The world population is about 8 billion.  There are only about 3,000 billionaires worldwide.  So yes, Trump was one of the wealthiest persons on the planet before he became POTUS, having nothing to do with crypto. 

I don't need to disprove reporting from a biased news source that isn't providing actual evidence to support their contention.  It's stupid. 

Trump definitely started ahead of where the average American would be, but the fact he took what he had and multiplied it many times over is evidence of how smart the man is.  For example, not evert trust fund baby maintains or grows their wealth.  And none of them become one of the wealthiest persons on earth and then literally the most powerful person on earth.

he likely got a 413 million inheritance. If I put that into the fucking sandp I would have what he has. You never said what one of the wealthiest people means, so if you are saying billionaires is the criteria he would fit that criteria. I was thinking like top 100

Again he doubled his net worth. So it takes what 50 years to accrue that 60 million on the low end and 413 on the high end with connections via his dad etc to make 50% of his money which he then doubles via corruption in 9 months. He must be brilliant to double it in 9 months right? I mean it couldn't be opportunity, corruption, grifting etc he must of gotten 50% smarter! nah when you have money you make money, he was born with lots of it and lots of opportunity, it doesnt make him a genius, making money doesn't make anyone a genius.

Most really smart people aren't money hungry, power hungry narcs. It's kind of low iq high energy people stuff.

[Dos Equis]

You do not understand my position. You do understand what correlation means right? You position is a lot more complex because of noise not signal. You are including factors that are not intelligence, like work ethic, which I value more highly for example.

you have not given a proper definition of intelligence and muddled it with factors unrelated. It's so diluted I am not even sure what you are talking about. When a family comes to the clinic and they want to know what stream of school to place him in, the psychologist administers psychoeducational assessments, which measure cognitive ability- none of the shit you are saying- and give a iq based on all the factors of this standardized test. Sometimes the kids have high working memory but poor written output, or terrible reasoning and comprehension- this all get factored him compared to other kids and we arrive at something approximating intelligence.

So again, higher education correlates with IQ strongly. Does success in business also correlate and to what degree I do not know, does self- control correlate- not really, does wealth correlate- weakly.

So answer this question can someone who isn't very bright become a specialist in medicine? you think they would pass the MCAT etc?

Elon musk is autistic, he is literally the most successful person on earth, is he the smartest person on earth?

You're all over the place.  When a child is being given an aptitude test to determine where the child should be placed, that is only part of the analysis.  The child still should be socially adjusted to his or her peers, which has zero to do with testing. 

You are free to disagree.  I'm not mad at you.  But the difference between us is I always leave room for people to express their opinions--even retarded ones like yours--and I recognize that not only can I be wrong, but I can change my mind, which I do all the time. 

You are going in circles.  We have different definitions of intelligence.  Someone can take and ace a test, but still be an idiot.  Like I said, mastering one subject doesn't automatically mean the person is highly intelligent (if you have a more than myopic view of intelligence).

Elon is a stinkin genius.  No question.   

[Dos Equis]

he likely got a 413 million inheritance. If I put that into the fucking sandp I would have what he has. You never said what one of the wealthiest people means, so if you are saying billionaires is the criteria he would fit that criteria. I was thinking like top 100

Again he doubled his net worth. So it takes what 50 years to accrue that 60 million on the low end and 413 on the high end with connections via his dad etc to make 50% of his money which he then doubles via corruption in 9 months. He must be brilliant to double it in 9 months right? I mean it couldn't be opportunity, corruption, grifting etc he must of gotten 50% smarter! nah when you have money you make money, he was born with lots of it and lots of opportunity, it doesnt make him a genius, making money doesn't make anyone a genius.

Most really smart people aren't money hungry, power hungry narcs. It's kind of low iq high energy people stuff.

So now it's $414 million?  Dude.  Just stop.  You're embarrassing yourself. 

Building wealth is "low iq high energy people stuff"?  That is literally one of the dumbest things I've ever read on this board.  Now don't make me put you in the Lurker category. I have entire threads devoted to mocking some of the stupid stuff he has said.    

You must be broke.  Wait.  You live in Canada.  Never mind.  lol

[Necrosis]

You're all over the place.  When a child is being given an aptitude test to determine where the child should be placed, that is only part of the analysis.  The child still should be socially adjusted to his or her peers, which has zero to do with testing. 

You are free to disagree.  I'm not mad at you.  But the difference between us is I always leave room for people to express their opinions--even retarded ones like yours--and I recognize that not only can I be wrong, but I can change my mind, which I do all the time. 

You are going in circles.  We have different definitions of intelligence.  Someone can take and ace a test, but still be an idiot.  Like I said, mastering one subject doesn't automatically mean the person is highly intelligent (if you have a more than myopic view of intelligence).

Elon is a stinkin genius.  No question.   

i work with this shit daily. I see neuropsychiatric concerns in pediatrics. I work with a team of professionals who administer full on testing and incorporate them into DDX's etc. IQ stands for intelligence quotient, its a metric meant to be the best approximation of G or general factor. So you are just incorrect.

you cannot take an iq test and ace it and be an idiot, you simply don't understand what the test is. You can take a chemistry test and ace it and be an idiot via hard work etc up to a point, at a certain point you cannot overcome the complexity with the horsepower you have.

Have you actually ever taken an IQ test? do you know what kind of questions they ask? its not based on knowledge at all. you couldn't be a moron and ace them.

I know a lot of people who are smarter then Elon- iq wise and know more about a lot of things then him. He is very intelligent but combined with that intelligence is a near psychotic work ethic and hyperfocus and frankly hyperfixation which allows him to do what he does. Which I think proves my point. I know someone who speaks 10 languages, can do advanced quantum physics amongst other things but could never do what musk does and thats because its not just intelligence

[Necrosis]

So now it's $414 million?  Dude.  Just stop.  You're embarrassing yourself. 

Building wealth is "low iq high energy people stuff"?  That is literally one of the dumbest things I've ever read on this board.  Now don't make me put you in the Lurker category. I have entire threads devoted to mocking some of the stupid stuff he has said.    

You must be broke.  Wait.  You live in Canada.  Never mind.  lol

I said it was 400 the article says 413 specifically, stop being so pedantic, you artistic? I like that little diversion tactic though.

Did I say building wealth was low iq high energy? you aren't arguing in good faith because you are losing. So much for your ability to change your mind. You are now twisting my words and cherry picking to try and win points instead of discussing in good faith.

I am rich, I think about money all day long and how I can get more. It's never enough and I know that one day it will be and then everyone will respect me and I can finally give up this chase.

[Dos Equis]

I said it was 400 the article says 413 specifically, stop being so pedantic, you artistic? I like that little diversion tactic though.

Did I say building wealth was low iq high energy? you aren't arguing in good faith because you are losing. So much for your ability to change your mind. You are now twisting my words and cherry picking to try and win points instead of discussing in good faith.

I am rich, I think about money all day long and how I can get more. It's never enough and I know that one day it will be and then everyone will respect me and I can finally give up this chase.

Actually I can draw pretty good.

The article does not cite any actual evidence.  There is zero actual evidence showing Trump inherited $413 million from his father.  You are pretty gullible.   

Here is what you said:

Most really smart people aren't money hungry, power hungry narcs. It's kind of low iq high energy people stuff.

Perhaps you are struggling to understand what you are saying, but this is clearly a reference to people trying to build wealth.  You just don't like how friggin stupid it sounds.  lol 

[chaos]

You have no idea what you are talking about. Do you realize how hard it is to get a PHD? lolol or a doctorate? its not a matter of work ethic, you have to be a certain level of intelligence.

You need a certain level of intelligence to manage finances but its not much. Finances management have way more to do with impulse control, concern for money etc.. then intelligence. I don't think you understand what intelligence is, what IQ is measuring. You are talking about things like being pragmatic, controlled, disciplined etc.. they correlate with intelligence very weakly. reasoning and spatial awareness appear to correlate to the highest degree.

The PHD is more intelligent, he may have poor impulse control, less access to resources, less support etc..

You are not talking about the same thing as me and this would explain the disconnect here.

And yes, less intelligent people support trump, have a lower education and have poor critical thinking skills. The man is an example of someone who is not that bright getting ahead. You think that he is intelligent which is hilarious. He is not, he is successful and is so because of factors not related to intelligence, charisma, charm, being a sociopath, starting with 400 million, industriousness etc.

A PHD in math is lightyears more intelligent then trump. The fact that you don't understand that tells me that you likely have never went to school or achieved a higher level of education. They can handle far more complex data and recognize patterns of far more complexity, have faster processing, far better memories etc. Do you have any gifted friends?

Liberals obtain higher education, that's a fact.  The higher up you go the smarter the person tends to be, it's been researched.

You are conflating various factors with intelligence.

Also, what would aspergers explain? it would be interesting to hear your perverted view of what that means or would mean.

Have you ever done any pschosocial educational assessments? none of the things you are stating are measure on IQ and various cognitive tests, none.

Your arrogance is humorous. There is absolutely no evidence to support your bullshit lies.

[Grape Ape]

Your arrogance is humorous. There is absolutely no evidence to support your bullshit lies.

Yes, and the alleged 413M is inflation adjusted.

So it's estimates of $ without any proof.

Did he get millions from his Dad?  Sure.

Did he conquer business, TV, and politics?

Yes.

People get themselves into a twist to discredit this guy at every turn.

It's really odd.

[chaos]

Yes, and the alleged 413M is inflation adjusted.

So it's estimates of $ without any proof.

Did he get millions from his Dad?  Sure.

Did he conquer business, TV, and politics?

Yes.

People get themselves into a twist to discredit this guy at every turn.

It's really odd.

Trump will be written about for hundreds of years. His impact on society, liberals specifically, has been enormous. His MAGA movement has changed history.

[AbrahamG]

Trump will be written about for hundreds of years. His impact on society, liberals specifically, has been enormous. His MAGA movement has changed history.

Is that what the MSM tells you to believe?   

[Grape Ape]

Is that what the MSM tells you to believe?   

What do you want for Skubal?

Let's get this done now so we can concentrate on other stuff.

[AbrahamG]

What do you want for Skubal?

Let's get this done now so we can concentrate on other stuff.

Top 3 prospect and a big league ready player.  We have to trade him.  Fans here are not happy with his wanting out after 6 innings, 99 pitches, 13 K's and having retired 14 or 15 in a row and throwing the last pitch at 101.  AJ is covering for him.  He wanted out.  Plus, he's not gonna sign anywhere until after the 26 season.  Cannot let him walk for nothing and sadly, ownership won't bring in the pieces this winter to be able to really go for it with Skubal one last time.