Is Heavy always better❓️

[Donny]

BB Rows are my favourite but I like Hammer strength rows too especially if you've some lower back discomfort.
Can safely go quite heavy.
The only Hammer machine I found weird was a unilateral leg press machine we had..just didn't feel it like I did on a standard seated machine

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[Gym Rat]

Training is very individual. I've always liked low (3-5) reps on the SQ, Bench, DL (and some strict singles) then do high(er) (8-12) reps on the assistance stuff.
8-12 is far from "high reps" for many, but for me its fine. (depends on the weight being used).
If I'm failing in between that rep-range, then the weight I'm using is perfect for me. A normal Back/Bi day might be:

Deads - 4x3
D-Bell Rows - 4x8-12
Lat Pulls - 4x8-12
Shrugs - 4x8-12

Barbell Curl - 3x8-12
D-Bell Curls - 3x8-12
Reverse Curls - 3 8-12

Do what works for you, do what you enjoy doing... Some hate training but only enjoy the results.
I for one, really enjoy my training... Love it..

[Donny]

Yeah this machine..

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[JK]

google greasing the groove by pavel tsatsouline (I'm likely murdering the spelling) buit it addresses the repeated shy of failure chinup protocol muiltiple times per week or even per day. it was basically tuning up the cns for maximum muscle fibre recruitment, I think the goal was to be able to bang out 20 reps of bodyweight chins at will. possibly to meet some armed forces target from somewhere in the world, for shits and giggles. Don't think it had much if any returns in the way of hypertrophy but I read it a hell of a long time ago and barely recall.

That's right. I even have the book. I tried this method 15 years ago with an 88-lbs kettlebell. At first I could barely press it overhead once, and after a 2-3 weeks I was easily pressing it 10 times

[Griffith]

''Train to stimulate, not annihilate.''

Lee Haney

[Van_Bilderass]

Train to success not failure.

Do you never go to failure on for example cable curls or tricep extensions or pulldowns (where you can't do any more full range reps)? Every "serious" bodybuilder almost always does sets to failure on those examples. Legs are typically the one bodypart where failure is pretty rare. I've made this point many times before, I can count on one hand the times over 30-40 years I've seen anyone fail an angled leg press. Most don't use a spotter or set the safety catches properly, many machines don't even have them. I don't go to failure either typically but I always set the catches or build my own  with benched or a stack of plates on the outside to catch the weights if I feel an injury coming or I fail.

Anyone here go to failure on leg presses? I don't mean to a point where you "think" you will not be able to do another rep, but actually fail and have to bail? Leg extensions sure, everyone serious usually goes to fail at one point in their workout. Free squats is a tricky exercise to measure failure in because you typically start to modify your technique before you appear to fail so many actually sort of go beyond failure. Smith machine or hacks is much easier to do this with.

[BigRo]

I don't see the point in completing another rep if I already know my form will breakdown too much or I won't get the full rep anyway. Its just a sado maso mental illness with no futher benefits imo. Stop when Victory is attained, again and again, lift like it were herculean art in motion.

[Donny]

I don't see the point in completing another rep if I already know my form will breakdown too much or I won't get the full rep anyway. Its just a sado maso mental illness with no futher benefits imo. Stop when Victory is attained, again and again, lift like it were herculean art in motion.

and avoid injury 

[MajorDomo]

Training to failure every workout was fashionable until people realized a steady diet of it doesn't work.

[CalvinH]

Training to failure every workout was fashionable until people realized a steady diet of it doesn't work.

I workout close to failure but not always failure on the last set of each exercise I'm working on.
So if I'm doing flat bench for 4 sets on my 4th set I'm going close to max.

[IroNat]

Stop the set when your rep speed slows down.

[MajorDomo]

I workout close to failure but not always failure on the last set of each exercise I'm working on.
So if I'm doing flat bench for 4 sets on my 4th set I'm going close to max.

Yeah - thats a better way to do it. By the 4th set you are fatigued and "failure" on the last rep or so is much different than going flat out on the first set.

[Donny]

Mind muscle connection Baby !

[Humble Narcissist]

^^ It's funny how many people still believe she's natural.

[Donny]

^^ It's funny how many people still believe she's natural.

Looks better than this

[Kwon]

[Van_Bilderass]

I don't see the point in completing another rep if I already know my form will breakdown too much or I won't get the full rep anyway. Its just a sado maso mental illness with no futher benefits imo. Stop when Victory is attained, again and again, lift like it were herculean art in motion.

Yes the problem is most associate failure with form breakdown. But I've never seen a competitive bb who only goes say to 2 reps from failure. Like never ever do a leg extension where they don't quite achieve complete lockout, or a bicep curl where they never go to some form breakdown in the last reps, meaning beyond failure. Not once. But failure doesn't mean form breakdown if you're disciplined. A lifter who never plays at the failure point never goes anywhere ime, why that is I can't say. You watch pros like Jay Cutler lift and they say they never go to failure and yet they always, always continue many sets past form breakdown. Someone who is good at standardizing all the reps is Jordan Peters, it's not progress if your additional reps are shit.

joswift talked about his chins effort, said he could "only" do 3 reps, I bet it was to failure or very close and if he doesn't play at that point a significant amount of time I doubt he will increase his reps, say he stops every set 2 reps from failure. Ain't happening, but that's just like my opinion man He even does negatives to get stronger (beyond failure training).

[BigRo]

All Jay's reps looked neat though he did not use full ROM. It's just not imperative imo to always hit failure to stimulate growth. Your training philosophy like your drug protocols are extremist bro 

[joswift]

Yes the problem is most associate failure with form breakdown. But I've never seen a competitive bb who only goes say to 2 reps from failure. Like never ever do a leg extension where they don't quite achieve complete lockout, or a bicep curl where they never go to some form breakdown in the last reps, meaning beyond failure. Not once. But failure doesn't mean form breakdown if you're disciplined. A lifter who never plays at the failure point never goes anywhere ime, why that is I can't say. You watch pros like Jay Cutler lift and they say they never go to failure and yet they always, always continue many sets past form breakdown. Someone who is good at standardizing all the reps is Jordan Peters, it's not progress if your additional reps are shit.

joswift talked about his chins effort, said he could "only" do 3 reps, I bet it was to failure or very close and if he doesn't play at that point a significant amount of time I doubt he will increase his reps, say he stops every set 2 reps from failure. Ain't happening, but that's just like my opinion man He even does negatives to get stronger (beyond failure training).

depends wht you mean by failure

You can take a set to a point where you literally cant do another rep, put the weight down count to three and then you can do another couple reps maybe more, is that more productive?

Many excercises you dont go to complete failure, how many people go to failure on squats?
I dont mean completing a rep and "believing" you cant do another, I mean failing by getting stuck at the bottom.

You can do barbell curls in perfect form and go to muscular failure, then start using the upper body sway and get at least three more , is that failure or beyond failure

As for the chins Im going for a maximum number and getting my body used to the movement so of course Im going to failure.

If I manage to get to 20 reps Im not going to be happy with doing it once, Im going to be able to get maybe 23-25 before Im happy

20 being a number I can do every day if I choose to not just a "every now and again" to prove to someone I can do it

[Hulkotron]

"Volume" (weight x reps x sets) and progressing the volume is the #1 factor research has associated with increasing muscle mass.

Minutia like if you went to failure, how much time you rested between sets, "tempo" (oh brother) of the reps are relatively less important.

I don't see the point in completing another rep if I already know my form will breakdown too much or I won't get the full rep anyway. Its just a sado maso mental illness with no futher benefits imo. Stop when Victory is attained, again and again, lift like it were herculean art in motion.

x2 this relates to my point above.  To add mass you need to progress the volume, but you can fool yourself into thinking you are progressing (or at least progressing well) by adding a shitty rep or similarly by increasing the weight and no longer being able to do quality reps.

[Dave D]

^^ It's funny how many people still believe she's natural.

I think she explained how she developed her arms and she did not mention drugs. Or sleep. Or diet . Or genetics…..

[Hulkotron]

Relatedly, "volume is the most important factor" is why ~8-10 reps seems like the "rep range for hypertrophy".  If you're doing eight reps, it's fairly easy to progress that to 9-10-11-12 reps, or fairly easy to progress to doing eight reps with another +5 lbs.  If you're doing a weight that's so heavy you can only do two or three reps with it, it's much harder relatively speaking to progress that to 4+ reps or to add weight and keep doing those reps.

[Humble Narcissist]

I think she explained how she developed her arms and she did not mention drugs. Or sleep. Or diet . Or genetics…..

Yeah, all hard work and positive thinking, baby!

[Donny]

Yeah, all hard work and positive thinking, baby!

Who cares if she juices or not..this is a bodybuilding forum.
Some will juice & others won't I don't see a problem.
Just waiting for the comments about eating eggs 

[Humble Narcissist]

Who cares if she juices or not..this is a bodybuilding forum.
Some will juice & others won't I don't see a problem.
Just waiting for the comments about eating eggs 

It's not about this forum but her Youtube channel where she has always claimed natty status. We know she's full of shit but young women who follow her may not. When they don't get the results expected they will think it's because they aren't training hard enough or eating right when it has nothing to do with that.