GH and blood sugar/diabetes

[MarvinEderFan]

I am aware GH use can lead to high blood sugar, diabetes

But what's the deal? How much is too much? How potent is it? And if you also do a clean diet and lots of cardio?

Some people seem to advocate using 4-6 units per day, and that 2 units per day won't do much... When & how much does it affect BG in an otherwise healthy person?

What about people using 2 units on off? (ie with breaks, not every day)

I know ofc it's also individual but some general insight would be appreciated...

[MarvinEderFan]

just to be clear I am aware you don't just get diabetes bc you do some gh

Just trying to understand the proportions here, how much is too much, how potent.

[deadz]

Exact reasons I would not use it..diabetes and speeds cancer growth!

[IroNat]

What's a "clean" diet?

Is that when you wash your hands before eating?

[Van_Bilderass]

Just start at 2iu and don't expect much iin the short term. Then if you go up a lot you simply get a blood glucose monitor and you know exctly where you're at. Simple. There is no threshold you have to cross to get the benefits, I mean more drug more effect and then the reverse. You can take it whenever just do it every day, no reason to yo yo doses or take days off. Sure with days off it will still work, just less.

[Van_Bilderass]

Exact reasons I would not use it..diabetes and speeds cancer growth!

Some think milk is harmful over the long term because it increases GH too much, you're risking cancer. I mean these are some serious scientists.

[US MUSL]

Just had a glass of milk! Should I see my doctor tomorrow?

[Van_Bilderass]

Just had a glass of milk! Should I see my doctor tomorrow?

I don't think so, when I saw the studies I drank even more because the plausible mechanism is thought to be IGF-1. Basically, it's just too anabolic.


https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2022-05-06-dairy-products-linked-increased-risk-cancer

[bhank]

Based on current prices people are using more longer 10iu daily year round would be ideal.

[ProudVirgin69]

just to be clear I am aware you don't just get diabetes bc you do some gh

Just trying to understand the proportions here, how much is too much, how potent.

Gh DOES give you T2DM.  It induces insulin resistance in a dose-proportionate fashion.  The more you take, the more insulin resistant you’ll become. 

Everyone is different so there are no hard and fast rules about how much you can take without having problems.  A blood glucose meter is inexpensive, checking it every morning before eating might be a good idea.  If it’s consistently over 100ug/ml, you may need to adjust your dosage/diet or even consider implementing additional compounds to manage your BG levels

[MarvinEderFan]

Gh DOES give you T2DM.  It induces insulin resistance in a dose-proportionate fashion.  The more you take, the more insulin resistant you’ll become. 

Everyone is different so there are no hard and fast rules about how much you can take without having problems.  A blood glucose meter is inexpensive, checking it every morning before eating might be a good idea.  If it’s consistently over 100ug/ml, you may need to adjust your dosage/diet or even consider implementing additional compounds to manage your BG levels

If you only use it periodically, cycles, and pulsed on off, shouldn't the insulin resistance not become a problem? I mean the point is to not actually become diabetic, stop using it, and let the body normalize glucose tolerance and insulin sensitivity?

[tatoo]

If you only use it periodically, cycles, and pulsed on off, shouldn't the insulin resistance not become a problem? I mean the point is to not actually become diabetic, stop using it, and let the body normalize glucose tolerance and insulin sensitivity?

any type 2 in your family?  gh has caused me to be border line along w a family history.

[MarvinEderFan]

any type 2 in your family?  gh has caused me to be border line along w a family history.

not really. Maybe an old grandma in her last years

otherwise  no

how much GH you been using? Can you not reverse it?

[tatoo]

not really. Maybe an old grandma in her last years

otherwise  no

how much GH you been using? Can you not reverse it?

been using it for 15 years on and off... generic and pharm.. yes i reversed it w diet and i stopped taking hgh.. ive used up to 15 for a short time.. average dose was 4-6iu w a little slin.

[ProudVirgin69]

If you only use it periodically, cycles, and pulsed on off, shouldn't the insulin resistance not become a problem? I mean the point is to not actually become diabetic, stop using it, and let the body normalize glucose tolerance and insulin sensitivity?

Maybe.  There’s no hard-and-fast rules when it comes to medicine.  A dosage/frequency that leaves you with a fasting blood glucose of 150 might not affect your training partner at all.  The only way to know is with regular testing using a blood-glucose monitor.

Yes, your body is likely to return to normal insulin sensitivities upon cessation of the GH.

As far as it being a “problem”, well, that’s relative.  A brief period of uncontrolled hyperglycemia is unlikely to cause health issues.  A sustained stretch of months or years with uncontrolled hyperglycemia, that’s a different story.

If you want to take GH responsibly, buy a BG monitor and test yourself regularly.  If your BG is consistently >115ug/dl, pursue additional treatment modalities to control it.  Lower carb diet, metformin, Berberine, insulin.

[Van_Bilderass]

T2D is not permanent, or insulin resistance from GH. In fact, insulin resistance is tied to the mechanism of how it works to lower bodyfat.
I would probably take berberine from the start anyway, one of the compounds suggested by proudvirgin. A glucose monitor is easy to use but of course mist don't want to bother with it. My training partner has a glucose monnitor and I always suggest to him to check his morning glucose for a while when off and then when on, just as a favor to me. No he insists on checking it 5 minutes after a shot because he claims glucose takes off like a rocket immediately if the gh is real. Been asking him for years, no, won't do it.
He even gave me these boxes of pristine Genotropin because his son said his glucose crashed so it must be insulin, lol, I was glad to take it off his hands.

[GymnJuice]

T2D is not permanent, or insulin resistance from GH. In fact, insulin resistance is tied to the mechanism of how it works to lower bodyfat.
I would probably take berberine from the start anyway, one of the compounds suggested by proudvirgin. A glucose monitor is easy to use but of course mist don't want to bother with it. My training partner has a glucose monnitor and I always suggest to him to check his morning glucose for a while when off and then when on, just as a favor to me. No he insists on checking it 5 minutes after a shot because he claims glucose takes off like a rocket immediately if the gh is real. Been asking him for years, no, won't do it.
He even gave me these boxes of pristine Genotropin because his son said his glucose crashed so it must be insulin, lol, I was glad to take it off his hands.

You can check a hemoglobin A1c. It might be abbreviated HbA1c. This can give you a better idea of the average glucose over time.

[tatoo]

T2D is not permanent, or insulin resistance from GH. In fact, insulin resistance is tied to the mechanism of how it works to lower bodyfat.
I would probably take berberine from the start anyway, one of the compounds suggested by proudvirgin. A glucose monitor is easy to use but of course mist don't want to bother with it. My training partner has a glucose monnitor and I always suggest to him to check his morning glucose for a while when off and then when on, just as a favor to me. No he insists on checking it 5 minutes after a shot because he claims glucose takes off like a rocket immediately if the gh is real. Been asking him for years, no, won't do it.
He even gave me these boxes of pristine Genotropin because his son said his glucose crashed so it must be insulin, lol, I was glad to take it off his hands.

geno pens flattened me out worse than any gh i have ever used.

[sync pulse]

You can check a hemoglobin A1c. It might be abbreviated HbA1c. This can give you a better idea of the average glucose over time.

You can get an A1C Test over the counter at "Any Lab Test Now"...50 dollars US.

[Van_Bilderass]

You can check a hemoglobin A1c. It might be abbreviated HbA1c. This can give you a better idea of the average glucose over time.

Yes I forgot about it, I had it done fairly recently but forgot to even ask my doc about the results because they always call if there is something abnormal. So do both, with home testing you can immediately see if it's trending bad.

geno pens flattened me out worse than any gh i have ever used.

Yeah people have different experiences but this was real gear, picked up at a Swedish pharmacy with Swedish writing on the box. But people are sometimes too quick to call fake, if one guy goes hypo one time it doesn't mean it's insulin. I saw one fella called fake on geno pens he got from a top coach but he didn't even get it tested before he went public.

[Humble Narcissist]

Based on current prices people are using more longer 10iu daily year round would be ideal.

Why use it at all?

[MarvinEderFan]

thx for the replies guys

you sure the insulin resistance from GH is not permanent? (provided you don't overdo it...)

Just wanna make sure GH does not somehow permanently alter pancreas, beta cells etc

[tatoo]

thx for the replies guys

you sure the insulin resistance from GH is not permanent? (provided you don't overdo it...)

Just wanna make sure GH does not somehow permanently alter pancreas, beta cells etc

how old are you bro?

[MarvinEderFan]

how old are you bro?

mid 30s. why?

[Van_Bilderass]

thx for the replies guys

you sure the insulin resistance from GH is not permanent? (provided you don't overdo it...)

Just wanna make sure GH does not somehow permanently alter pancreas, beta cells etc

Theoretically, over the long haul, insulin resistance from gh is bad, but imho the key is to keep lean and be very active as far as cardio goes. Again, just keep tabs on blood glucose. And if venturing into higher doses, which you will never do anyway, is to use insulin while on thise hevy dosages. Additional insulin further increases IR but may save your pancreas.
Additionally, a low dose of gh may sometimes increase your sensitivity via the increase in igf-1, which after all is "insulin like." Say 2iu. One fella on professionalmuscle says he has used GH at 10iu+ with insulin at 30iu for 15 years and has excellent sensitivity, but he keeps obsessively lean and does daily cardio (but weighs like 300lbs). Look at Milos, he's 60, and has been using insulin and gh for 30 years and appears to have high sensitivity still, BUT he keeps himself very lean at all times.