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Hypertrophy v hyperplasia
« on: January 19, 2025, 06:49:38 AM »
OK guys, thoughts please

I have been arguing on FB with several people over hypertrophy v hyperplasia
This photo started it


my point is that he has no "ADDITIONAL" muscle TISSUE form the firts pic to the second.
He had made the muscles larger and hes gotten fatter

Everyone seems to believe that hes adding NEW MUSCLE to his frame whe in fact all hes doing is expanding the muscles he has

Hypertrophy is building muscle size
Hyperplasia does not happen in humans, there is very little scientific evidence at all.

Here is an interesting article on muscle fibres
https://www.acefitness.org/resources/pros/expert-articles/5411/10-things-to-know-about-muscle-fibers/#:~:text=As%20fibers%20are%20damaged%20from,for%20building%20new%20muscle%20proteins.
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Muscle fibers experience two specific types of hypertrophy. Myofibrillar hypertrophy refers to the increase in size or thickness of individual actin and myosin protein filaments, which can improve the force-production capacity of individual fibers. Myofibrillar hypertrophy does not lead to larger muscles; rather, it results in thicker muscle fibers capable of generating more force. Sarcoplasmic hypertrophy is an increase in the volume of the semifluid interfibrillar substance surrounding an individual muscle fiber. This fluid contains the proteins used to promote tissue repair and growth. The muscle “pump” that bodybuilders work to achieve is actually sarcoplasmic hypertrophy—the cross-section of muscle fibers will increase, but most of the enhanced muscle size is due to an increased volume of the sarcoplasm and non-contractile proteins not directly involved with force production.

A simple example of why we dont increase the NUMBER of muscle fibres is that we eventually stop growing no matter how hard we train or how many drugs we take

Also the fact that after we stop training we shrink back down to how we looked prior to training shows we dont increase fibres, yet after three months back training we blow back up to what we were due to the cfact the fibres were previously streched so they just fill up again.

Also we wouldnt have stubborn bodyparts that simply wont improve if we could inrease muscle cells/fibres


oh, and a calorie is just a calorie.   ;D

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Re: Hypertrophy v hyperplasia
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2025, 07:16:44 AM »
makes sense mate

so bascially muscle memory is just previous expansion as it was!
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Re: Hypertrophy v hyperplasia
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2025, 07:18:24 AM »
makes sense mate

so bascially muscle memory is just previous expansion as it was!

I think so yes, because its been previously expanded it just blows back up again...

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Re: Hypertrophy v hyperplasia
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2025, 07:22:33 AM »
i know when i started back i blew up on creatine. seriously. its muslce memory or rsather expansion. it makes sense.
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Re: Hypertrophy v hyperplasia
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2025, 07:24:53 AM »
I was taught in school in "exercise science" classes (nh) that hyperplasia does not happen or is at least negligible as a response to resistance training in humans under normal/healthy circumstances.

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Re: Hypertrophy v hyperplasia
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2025, 07:25:34 AM »
Terry Hollands just agreed with me in the thread on FB so I think I may be on the right track

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Re: Hypertrophy v hyperplasia
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2025, 07:26:51 AM »
I was taught in school in "exercise science" classes (nh) that hyperplasia does not happen or is at least negligible as a response to resistance training in humans under normal/healthy circumstances.

and this is exactly why eating huge amounts of protein is a waste of time, you cant create NEW fibres, just repair the ones you have,

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Re: Hypertrophy v hyperplasia
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2025, 07:40:37 AM »
Muscle cells just like fat cells do not increase in number.....you have the same number today as the day you were born

They do however expand and shrink depending on whether you are training and eating accordingly (HYPERTROPHY), and shrink if you are not (ATROPHY).

The same with fat cells,they simply shrink and expand......the actual number of cells doesn`t increase in number.

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Re: Hypertrophy v hyperplasia
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2025, 07:45:24 AM »
Muscle cells just like fat cells do not increase in number.....you have the same number today as the day you were born

They do however expand and shrink depending on whether you are training and eating accordingly (HYPERTROPHY), and shrink if you are not (ATROPHY).

The same with fat cells,they simply shrink and expand......the actual number of cells doesn`t increase in number.

Wrong on both counts


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Re: Hypertrophy v hyperplasia
« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2025, 07:47:35 AM »
this post is probably the most stupid post you have ever made

Seriously , did you even read any of them?

You and Wes are both simply wrong it's not something I am going to debate with you. Your belief has nothing to do with it.

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Re: Hypertrophy v hyperplasia
« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2025, 07:48:24 AM »
Muscle cells just like fat cells do not increase in number.....you have the same number today as the day you were born

They do however expand and shrink depending on whether you are training and eating accordingly (HYPERTROPHY), and shrink if you are not (ATROPHY).

The same with fat cells,they simply shrink and expand......the actual number of cells doesn`t increase in number.

To my knowledge we can incease fat cells but we never lose them, they just cluster and lose.

Once you have been fat you always have the propensity to be fat again.

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Re: Hypertrophy v hyperplasia
« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2025, 07:49:30 AM »
To my knowledge we can incease fat cells but we never lose them, they just cluster and lose.

Once you have been fat you always have the propensity to be fat again.

Thank you my brother,I didn`t know that.  :)

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Re: Hypertrophy v hyperplasia
« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2025, 07:50:14 AM »
You and Wes are both simply wrong it's not something I am going to debate with you. Your belief has nothing to do with it.

You posted studies on rats and cats you fucking idiot, try and find some evidence on human studies you fucking kunt

Oh, and dont post in here again, this thread is for people with good moral character not fucking degenerate twats

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Re: Hypertrophy v hyperplasia
« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2025, 07:52:04 AM »
Like I`m really gonna` read bullshit links you post......NEWSFLASH....I never ever have....not once.
he didnt read them either or he wouldnt have posted them

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Re: Hypertrophy v hyperplasia
« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2025, 07:53:39 AM »
Again you are both wrong Apoptosis can absolutely be induced in adult fat cells 

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Re: Hypertrophy v hyperplasia
« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2025, 07:54:31 AM »
he didnt read them either or he wouldnt have posted them
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HE KNOWS JACKSHIT ABOUT BODYBUILDING

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Re: Hypertrophy v hyperplasia
« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2025, 07:54:45 AM »
he didnt read them either or he wouldnt have posted them

I can post them and I can read them. I can't understand them for you. You are wrong in everything you posted this thread.

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Re: Hypertrophy v hyperplasia
« Reply #22 on: January 19, 2025, 07:55:20 AM »
Again you are both wrong Apoptosis can absolutely be induced in adult fat cells

Muscle you idiot


Hyperplaisa doesnt happen in humans unless you have a serious illness

Hopefull you experience hyperplasia very soon

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Re: Hypertrophy v hyperplasia
« Reply #23 on: January 19, 2025, 07:55:26 AM »
Again you are both wrong Apoptosis can absolutely be induced in adult fat cells 
Who is Apoptosis.....does he post here?   ;D

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Re: Hypertrophy v hyperplasia
« Reply #24 on: January 19, 2025, 07:57:34 AM »
Let us not forget Jeff that the great Brian Hankins has an extra back muscle that no other being either human or animal possess !  ;D

Probably caused by Hyperplasia.  :D


HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA  ;D