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Re: Hypertrophy v hyperplasia
« Reply #25 on: January 19, 2025, 07:58:30 AM »
I can post them and I can read them. I can't understand them for you. You are wrong in everything you posted this thread.

its studies in rats, cats and birds you fucking idiot

we are talkiing about humans

Thats how I know you didnt read them, ir if you did you certainly dont understand them


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Re: Hypertrophy v hyperplasia
« Reply #26 on: January 19, 2025, 08:00:31 AM »
I had no idea that rats, cats, and birds lifted weights........thanks for that Brian.....I learn something new here on the daily.  ;D

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Re: Hypertrophy v hyperplasia
« Reply #27 on: January 19, 2025, 08:01:12 AM »
Who is Apoptosis.....does he post here?   ;D

Apoptosis is cell death after you lose about 10% of your bodyweight you will actually start trimming your population of fat cells through this process.

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Re: Hypertrophy v hyperplasia
« Reply #28 on: January 19, 2025, 08:02:23 AM »
Let us not forget Jeff that the great Brian Hankins has an extra back muscle that no other being either human or animal possess !  ;D

Probably caused by Hyperplasia.  :D


HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA  ;D

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Re: Hypertrophy v hyperplasia
« Reply #29 on: January 19, 2025, 08:03:00 AM »
its studies in rats, cats and birds you fucking idiot

we are talkiing about humans

Thats how I know you didnt read them, ir if you did you certainly dont understand them

I read them and I understand them. Not all studies are ethical or practical to perform on humans. We cant just dissect you post workout and count your muscle fibers now can we? We are not that physiologically different from other animals that is why we use them for studies.

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Re: Hypertrophy v hyperplasia
« Reply #30 on: January 19, 2025, 08:04:31 AM »
this is the way..you guys are over complicating things... :D


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Re: Hypertrophy v hyperplasia
« Reply #31 on: January 19, 2025, 08:06:20 AM »
Apoptosis is cell death after you lose about 10% of your bodyweight you will actually start trimming your population of fat cells through this process.

stop Googling and post something you actually know about



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Re: Hypertrophy v hyperplasia
« Reply #32 on: January 19, 2025, 08:11:02 AM »
stop Googling and post something you actually know about

You are just factually wrong on both accounts sorry boomer.

https://www.nature.com/articles/0801491

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Re: Hypertrophy v hyperplasia
« Reply #33 on: January 19, 2025, 08:14:29 AM »
this is the way..you guys are over complicating things... :D


HA HA HA HA HA....good shit Donny !  :D

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Re: Hypertrophy v hyperplasia
« Reply #34 on: January 19, 2025, 08:15:40 AM »
stop Googling and post something you actually know about
That would be quite a stretch !  LOL  ;D

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Re: Hypertrophy v hyperplasia
« Reply #35 on: January 19, 2025, 08:16:05 AM »
You are just factually wrong on both accounts sorry boomer.

https://www.nature.com/articles/0801491

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was that factually wrong brian?

course it wasnt you junkie fuck
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Re: Hypertrophy v hyperplasia
« Reply #36 on: January 19, 2025, 08:41:39 AM »
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1605384/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8107539/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3520748/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7326216/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7968431/

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Although exercise-induced muscle fiber hyperplasia has been demonstrated through direct fiber counts following nitric-acid digestion of muscle, morphological studies to determine the mechanism of hyperplasia have not been performed previously. In this study, light and electron microscopy were used to evaluate evidence of muscle fiber splitting or de novo formation of new muscle fibers. Since both fiber hypertrophy and hyperplasia may result in alterations in the muscle nuclear populations, myonuclear number and satellite cell frequency were assessed quantitatively to determine their role in regulating muscle fiber size. Ten adult cats performed weight-lifting exercise, and the right (exercised) and left (control) forelimbs were fixed by vascular perfusion. Spaced serial sections were used to evaluate muscle fiber morphology along the length of fibers, and muscle fiber areas were measured. Myonuclei and satellite cells were counted using electron microscopy. Morphological evidence supporting muscle fiber hyperplasia was observed in exercised muscles. These observations included the presence of small fibers which may signify de novo fiber formation. Myonuclear counts indicate that myonuclear density is not a primary regulator of fiber size. Satellite cell frequency was unchanged following exercise. Autoradiographic studies revealed satellite cell activation by uptake of tritiated thymidine in exercised muscles. Satellite cell activation appears to result from increased activity in exercised muscles. These findings confirm previous studies demonstrating muscle fiber hyperplasia following weight-lifting exercise, and suggest that de novo fiber formation is the major mechanism contributing to muscle fiber hyperplasia in this model.

Thanks for the links Brian!

I'm glad you're here to discuss this with us. All I can find online is the abstract. Since you've cited these studies, I assume you've read the full body of the paper to make an informed decision about its merits. I'm especially interested in the bolded section. Which weight lifting exercises did the ten cats perform? Were they doing free weights? Do you think Rocky could be trained to do weight lifting?

Thanks in advance Brian!

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Re: Hypertrophy v hyperplasia
« Reply #37 on: January 19, 2025, 08:45:15 AM »
get ready fr read it yorself ive got to do something very important
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Re: Hypertrophy v hyperplasia
« Reply #38 on: January 19, 2025, 09:58:35 AM »
Thanks for the links Brian!

I'm glad you're here to discuss this with us. All I can find online is the abstract. Since you've cited these studies, I assume you've read the full body of the paper to make an informed decision about its merits. I'm especially interested in the bolded section. Which weight lifting exercises did the ten cats perform? Were they doing free weights? Do you think Rocky could be trained to do weight lifting?

Thanks in advance Brian!

the others are about rats and birds

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Re: Hypertrophy v hyperplasia
« Reply #39 on: January 19, 2025, 03:45:04 PM »
To my knowledge we can incease fat cells but we never lose them, they just cluster and lose.

Once you have been fat you always have the propensity to be fat again.

Have you heard of Cool Sculpting? Fat cells die when they are frozen. Once dead the body sluffs them off over a short period of time. Cool Sculpting will not make fat people skinny. It is meant for targeting specific areas, such as men's 'love handles,' and other areas of subcutaneous fat.

Of course, following any kind of weight loss program, a poor diet and overeating can result in someone becoming fat again, but these are new fat cells.

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Re: Hypertrophy v hyperplasia
« Reply #40 on: January 19, 2025, 03:56:43 PM »
Have you heard of Cool Sculpting? Fat cells die when they are frozen. Once dead the body sluffs them off over a short period of time. Cool Sculpting will not make fat people skinny. It is meant for targeting specific areas, such as men's 'love handles,' and other areas of subcutaneous fat.

Of course, following any kind of weight loss program, a poor diet and overeating can result in someone becoming fat again, but these are new fat cells.

Hankins has had various surgical procedures to assist his bodybuilding and taken tons of gear and fat burning drugs and supplements for decades and still looks thus:

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Re: Hypertrophy v hyperplasia
« Reply #41 on: January 19, 2025, 04:20:33 PM »
Who is Apoptosis.....does he post here?   ;D


Isn't he the ancient Greek expert on Fuck all. He's where Bianca gets all his useless
Information from.

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Re: Hypertrophy v hyperplasia
« Reply #42 on: January 19, 2025, 05:01:44 PM »
https://www.physoc.org/magazine-articles/muscle-mass-at-the-top-a-likely-role-for-fibre-hyperplasia-in-humans/

You don't read thing thoroughly

Unfortunately, to date, only indirect observations like ours support this hypothesis in humans. In animal models (rat or chicken) some evidence does suggest that hyperplasia can occur in overloaded conditions or after stretching.

Note the word : hypothesis

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Re: Hypertrophy v hyperplasia
« Reply #43 on: January 19, 2025, 05:05:42 PM »
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1605384/  1992 study..yeah, really relevant

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8107539/ 1993 study..yeah, really relevant

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3520748/ 1986 study..even worse

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7326216/ 1981 study..we're regressing like your hair


https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7968431/ 1994 study..yeah, really relevant

Besides the above notes  rats, quail, etc....also, ALL FUCKING ABSTRACTS.   Please don't bother saying you read studies if this is the shit you are referring to

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Re: Hypertrophy v hyperplasia
« Reply #44 on: January 19, 2025, 05:12:17 PM »
You are just factually wrong on both accounts sorry boomer.

https://www.nature.com/articles/0801491

Once again...24yo study ABSTRACT

Hypertrophy will occur before any consideration of hyperplasia via a stretch reflex.  Funny enough on the hyperplasia aspect of things Brian...you love your HGH...just so you know hyperplasia DOES occur in the pituitary, thymus, and mammary glands with HGH usage.

Take that titty boy


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Re: Hypertrophy v hyperplasia
« Reply #45 on: January 19, 2025, 05:17:57 PM »
Now, if you want to read an ARTICE (and current at that)....take a few minutes off of teaching yourself molecular biochemistry in one night and read this...

https://skeletalmusclejournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13395-023-00322-2

If you don't...just know this is a conclusion:

By studying the regenerating tissue 30 days later with a range of microscopy techniques, we find that so-called myofibre branching or splitting is more likely to be fusion of myotubes and is therefore explained by incomplete regeneration after a necrosis-inducing event.

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Re: Hypertrophy v hyperplasia
« Reply #46 on: January 19, 2025, 05:18:32 PM »
Muscle grows through the activation of satellite cells, which are muscle stem cells that reside within the muscle fibers; when stimulated by exercise or injury, these cells proliferate, differentiate into myoblasts, and then fuse with existing muscle fibers, adding new nuclei and contributing to muscle growth (hypertrophy) by increasing the fiber size and overall muscle mass.

So these "satellite cells" essentially become part of the existing muscle cell. So I think it's a bit of semantics in that I guess it depends on whether you think a stem cell that begins to grow and proliferate in direct response to training or gear is new muscle cells. Then there the idea of a muscle cell vs a muscle fiber, which is essentially a "type" of muscle cell and then myofibrils and stuff that gets beyond my knowledge.

I don't have my copy from 30 years ago but if anyone finds Duchaines Underground Steroid Handbook 2 I remember he gives a very detailed version of how muscle grows, If anyone has a copy he gets into the whole scientific process but everyone just skipped to the red pages.

 I linked an article showing that elite powerlifters had more muscle fibers than controls but it could be all genetic, I just scanned the article. Thanks for an interesting discussion on the topic

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00421171#:~:text=Despite%20large%20differences%20in%20elbow,fibres%20than%20the%20controls%20did.

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Re: Hypertrophy v hyperplasia
« Reply #47 on: January 19, 2025, 06:20:20 PM »
You don't read thing thoroughly

Unfortunately, to date, only indirect observations like ours support this hypothesis in humans. In animal models (rat or chicken) some evidence does suggest that hyperplasia can occur in overloaded conditions or after stretching.

Note the word : hypothesis

He doesn’t read anything

Just dumps it into chatgpt or perplexity

Idiots posts a studied about rats and cats

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Re: Hypertrophy v hyperplasia
« Reply #48 on: January 20, 2025, 12:42:11 AM »
this is the way..you guys are over complicating things... :D


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Re: Hypertrophy v hyperplasia
« Reply #49 on: January 20, 2025, 03:37:27 AM »
this is the way..you guys are over complicating things... :D



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