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Re: Trump Looking to End Medicaid for Illegals
« Reply #25 on: April 13, 2025, 06:11:12 AM »
This is where I separate from the usual left. IF...IF you are in this country illegally. I believe zero taxpayers dollars should be spent on you. This is not unlike Mexico, where if you are an American citizen in Mexico zero dollars are spent on you.   If you show up at an emergency room, and you are an illegal. That is something you had the ability to think about before the emergency.


Who pays for it? An American visiting another country is typically doing so on vacation and they have money. An illegal has nothing coming here so they have no money to pay. I agree it sucks to fork out the money for them, which is why they shouldn’t be here in the first place.

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Re: Trump Looking to End Medicaid for Illegals
« Reply #26 on: April 16, 2025, 10:11:28 AM »

Who pays for it? An American visiting another country is typically doing so on vacation and they have money. An illegal has nothing coming here so they have no money to pay. I agree it sucks to fork out the money for them, which is why they shouldn’t be here in the first place.

The hospital eats the cost even if Medicaid doesn't reimburse. That cost gets shifted to paying patients. Eventually they end up shutting down ERs and hospitals in poorer areas. Ending Medicaid for illegals may or may not make a big difference to the average person. For someone who doesn't use the healthcare system it might lower their tax burden. The overall cost to someone who does legitimately use the healthcare system might end up being higher as a result. When administrators and politicians make healthcare decisions it doesn't always follow to a logical conclusion.

I don't know the right answer and I'm not saying your POV is wrong. I'm just saying cutting Medicaid for illegals might not lower all of our costs even though it seems like it should at a first glance.

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Re: Trump Looking to End Medicaid for Illegals
« Reply #27 on: April 16, 2025, 11:38:00 AM »
Does anyone have a reasonable argument against this?

ERs, I get. They shouldn't turn anyone away.  However, continued care, treatment, prescriptions etc, for illegals shouldn't be paid by taxpayers

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Re: Trump Looking to End Medicaid for Illegals
« Reply #28 on: April 16, 2025, 11:41:02 AM »
Does anyone have a reasonable argument against this?

ERs, I get. They shouldn't turn anyone away.  However, continued care, treatment, prescriptions etc, for illegals shouldn't be paid by taxpayers

No Doubt Prime will be 100% against it   ::)

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Re: Trump Looking to End Medicaid for Illegals
« Reply #29 on: April 16, 2025, 11:20:03 PM »

Who pays for it? An American visiting another country is typically doing so on vacation and they have money. An illegal has nothing coming here so they have no money to pay. I agree it sucks to fork out the money for them, which is why they shouldn’t be here in the first place.

Having spent time in Mexico and hold a temporary residency card, I can say that a vast majority of medical situations involve expats. The difference I've seen between the US and Mexico is most of us can afford to pay out of pocket in Mexico. For example, I had an ear infection and a plane ride coming in a few days. Went to the local pharmacy that was attached to a pharmacy. For under $25 dollars I got the exam and the antibiotics. Here, my co pay is $30

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Re: Trump Looking to End Medicaid for Illegals
« Reply #30 on: April 16, 2025, 11:22:58 PM »
Does anyone have a reasonable argument against this?

ERs, I get. They shouldn't turn anyone away.  However, continued care, treatment, prescriptions etc, for illegals shouldn't be paid by taxpayers

But... ER's are being abused by people for that very reason. That's why if you go to an ER, where my insurance punishes me with a $100 co pay, because they want me to go to an Urgent care due to cost,  you'll see an avalanche of  people with no insurance there for common ailments

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Re: Trump Looking to End Medicaid for Illegals
« Reply #31 on: April 18, 2025, 04:45:19 PM »
The hospital eats the cost even if Medicaid doesn't reimburse. That cost gets shifted to paying patients. Eventually they end up shutting down ERs and hospitals in poorer areas. Ending Medicaid for illegals may or may not make a big difference to the average person. For someone who doesn't use the healthcare system it might lower their tax burden. The overall cost to someone who does legitimately use the healthcare system might end up being higher as a result. When administrators and politicians make healthcare decisions it doesn't always follow to a logical conclusion.

I don't know the right answer and I'm not saying your POV is wrong. I'm just saying cutting Medicaid for illegals might not lower all of our costs even though it seems like it should at a first glance.

How many folks do you suppose never need to use the healthcare system at some point in their lives? What connection is there between taxes and folks using the healthcare system? 

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Re: Trump Looking to End Medicaid for Illegals
« Reply #32 on: April 18, 2025, 04:59:48 PM »
But... ER's are being abused by people for that very reason. That's why if you go to an ER, where my insurance punishes me with a $100 co pay, because they want me to go to an Urgent care due to cost,  you'll see an avalanche of  people with no insurance there for common ailments

Why would anyone who can pay or has health insurance choose to go to the ER for non-emergency care if they could go to an Urgent Care facility instead, assuming they need medical care during Urgent Care's hours of business. Medicare Advantage, waves ER copays when folks are admitted to the hospital, as is usually the case with a serious injury or health emergency.

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Re: Trump Looking to End Medicaid for Illegals
« Reply #33 on: April 19, 2025, 03:32:37 AM »
How many folks do you suppose never need to use the healthcare system at some point in their lives? What connection is there between taxes and folks using the healthcare system?


"What connection is there between taxes and folks using the
healthcare system"   ::)

Have you gone completely stupid ?
If it has to be explained to you, then you have.

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Re: Trump Looking to End Medicaid for Illegals
« Reply #34 on: April 19, 2025, 07:26:50 AM »
Having spent time in Mexico and hold a temporary residency card, I can say that a vast majority of medical situations involve expats. The difference I've seen between the US and Mexico is most of us can afford to pay out of pocket in Mexico. For example, I had an ear infection and a plane ride coming in a few days. Went to the local pharmacy that was attached to a pharmacy. For under $25 dollars I got the exam and the antibiotics. Here, my co pay is $30

I am amazed by how cheap healthcare is in other countries. We go to SXM a lot and I’ve had two issues there, one with one of my kids and one with me, and it didn’t cost much. Paid cash for ear infection meds and evaluation for one of my kids cost less than $90. I fucked up my toe, saw a doc and got treated, no meds and it was like $60 cash. Crazy what our health care costs are here, although I think we have awesome healthcare in the states.

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Re: Trump Looking to End Medicaid for Illegals
« Reply #35 on: April 19, 2025, 11:39:27 AM »
Does anyone have a reasonable argument against this?

ERs, I get. They shouldn't turn anyone away.  However, continued care, treatment, prescriptions etc, for illegals shouldn't be paid by taxpayers
I think there needs to be some standard set as to what constitutes an emergency. Would lighten the load of ERs if everyone with the sniffles wasn't sitting in the lobby.
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!

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Re: Trump Looking to End Medicaid for Illegals
« Reply #36 on: April 21, 2025, 04:08:56 PM »
I think there needs to be some standard set as to what constitutes an emergency. Would lighten the load of ERs if everyone with the sniffles wasn't sitting in the lobby.

Hospital staff can determine what is or is not an emergency and most often they do this when the person checks-in. People who come to the ER with the sniffles may end up sitting in the waiting room forever... or at least until they give up and leave. If you have symptoms of heart failure or the risk of a stroke, you will likely be seen by a doctor pronto.

One time during a regular doctor’s visit, probably my annual wellness check, my GP detected I was having an episode of AFib. He sent me to the nearest ER. Plus, he called them to inform them I would be coming in. When I got there, I was immediately taken back into an exam room and hooked up to all kinds of equipment. They kept me there for a couple of hours to make sure I was stabilized before they discharged me.