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Re: Question about muscle confusion
« Reply #25 on: April 06, 2025, 02:16:34 PM »
Muscle confusion is a really confusing topic. I hope this post didn’t confuse anyone further.

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Re: Question about muscle confusion
« Reply #26 on: April 06, 2025, 02:35:04 PM »
Periodization of loads, sets and repetitions.

Muscle recovery and CNS recovery are two different animals.

Hell, full nervous recovery is fucking slow when training with heavy weights. In theory, the nervous system should recover within 24 hours.

However, after partial recovery, there is a relapse - the process is said to  be biphasic.

The voluntary strength an athlete can produce takes longer to return to normal compared to involuntary strength; if you were to directly stimulate the motor units of the same muscle using an electric current, contraction strength would appear to have already returned to normal.

If your lifts are regressing when everything else seems normal (nutrition, sleep, supplements, etc.) - that's a tell.

I Know very well how powerlifters & olympic lifters train.


You stated doing the same movements over & over again would desensitise
Them & make them regres.
Yet you didn't answer my question just went off in a different direction.

So I'll take it your original statement is Hogwash

As I've trained many years when younger with top level powerlifters & olympic
Lifters & they all were just fine.

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Re: Question about muscle confusion
« Reply #27 on: April 06, 2025, 03:25:56 PM »
I Know very well how powerlifters & olympic lifters train.


You stated doing the same movements over & over again would desensitise
Them & make them regres.



Yet you didn't answer my question just went off in a different direction.

So I'll take it your original statement is Hogwash

As I've trained many years when younger with top level powerlifters & olympic
Lifters & they all were just fine.

what part of managing your CNS recovery for optimal results did you not understand?

Do you train super heavy all year round, or is there some programming involved?

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Re: Question about muscle confusion
« Reply #28 on: April 06, 2025, 03:36:39 PM »
Having a muscle contusion is not good for growth.

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Re: Question about muscle confusion
« Reply #29 on: April 06, 2025, 05:05:14 PM »
what part of managing your CNS recovery for optimal results did you not understand?

Do you train super heavy all year round, or is there some programming involved?

Are you saying that, despite the fact that powerlifters and Olympic lifters use the same movement over and over again, the use of different weight amounts keeps the muscle confused?
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Re: Question about muscle confusion
« Reply #30 on: April 06, 2025, 05:21:25 PM »
what part of managing your CNS recovery for optimal results did you not understand?

Do you train super heavy all year round, or is there some programming involved?

Carry on - don't think you know what you're on about.

End of conversation.

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Re: Question about muscle confusion
« Reply #31 on: April 06, 2025, 06:00:37 PM »
Are you saying that, despite the fact that powerlifters and Olympic lifters use the same movement over and over again, the use of different weight amounts keeps the muscle confused?

I know you are trolling but whatever.....

Muscles recuperate faster than nerves.

The myelin sheaths are damaged by intense-traumatic training, and the neuromuscular junction loses its seal (damaged synapses.)

Rest, exercise rotation, load variation, and changes in compound movements help spare the exhausted neural pathways by switching over to different motor units, which ultimately allows the athlete to resume practicing the same movement repeatedly in the long term, as you put it.

Velocity is a useful tool to assess your performance potential on a particular day.

If your speed in lifting a certain load is below what is normally expected, you might need more rest.



You can also run a quick CO2 tolerance test first thing in the morning to get an idea of the condition of your CNS on that particular day.

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Re: Question about muscle confusion
« Reply #32 on: April 06, 2025, 06:28:43 PM »
I’ve been visiting the same gym for 3 years and roughly working out on the same equipment. Yesterday, I visited a gym that had lots of equipment that I’ve never used before. I woke up today and my back has not been this sore in a very long time.

While people say tension is tension and the body does not know what exercise you’re doing, there  must be a reason why my back is more sore after using new machines.

Is muscle confusion the key to muscle growth?!? Many bodybuilders often train in different gyms with different equipment. Maybe this is the reason why they are so big and has little to do with the PEDs.

You obviously know little about hypertrophy. I wrote about this 25 years ago. If you have been training vigorously then try something new and develop DOMS the following days you triggered hypertrophy. Some exercise or equipment is more effective than what you have been training on. Find out which machines are effective and use them. Every third day. Warm up then work up to a maximum resistance for 15 reps. Do an additional 5 sets with that maximum resistance and you should trigger more DOMS and hence growth in the target muscle.

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Re: Question about muscle confusion
« Reply #33 on: April 06, 2025, 07:16:35 PM »
Rest, exercise rotation, load variation, and changes in compound movements help

lighter loads are an effective healing mechanism

movement is medicine… I think conor mcgregor said that.

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Re: Question about muscle confusion
« Reply #34 on: April 06, 2025, 07:45:49 PM »
I know you are trolling but whatever.....

Muscles recuperate faster than nerves.

The myelin sheaths are damaged by intense-traumatic training, and the neuromuscular junction loses its seal (damaged synapses.)

Rest, exercise rotation, load variation, and changes in compound movements help spare the exhausted neural pathways by switching over to different motor units, which ultimately allows the athlete to resume practicing the same movement repeatedly in the long term, as you put it.

Velocity is a useful tool to assess your performance potential on a particular day.

If your speed in lifting a certain load is below what is normally expected, you might need more rest.



You can also run a quick CO2 tolerance test first thing in the morning to get an idea of the condition of your CNS on that particular day.


Actually, I’m not at all. I don’t know much about the science of lifting.
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Re: Question about muscle confusion
« Reply #35 on: April 07, 2025, 01:26:05 AM »
I've been too knowledgeable lately.

Sorry you have to be the one to suffer.
Fucking Nat!   LOL  ;D

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Re: Question about muscle confusion
« Reply #36 on: April 07, 2025, 02:29:16 AM »
Less experienced lifters probably switch exercises too often, never getting the chance to truly progress on a lift after getting efficient on a movement. There's some claim strength gains the first 6 weeks have little relation to muscular gains, it's more neural. After that strength gains are more reflective of size increases. I recently took about 3 months completely off. When I now returned I did say 10 reps to failure with a certain load and the next workout I doubled the load and did 20 reps and this continued with lessened increases for a few workouts and then almost stalled, after which further increases are more rare. Now I did gain size quickly as well, like an inch on the arms after one workout but it's just old size coming back.

Louie Simmons of Westside barbell read old Russian training manuals and adapted some ideas into his own system. Switching exercises often. However now that geared lifting is out,  from what I can see no one seems to train "conjugate." They seem to just mostly hammer the three competition lifts as a basis.

Dorian says he used the exact same workouts all through his career, almost no change at all, as he gained size, arguing, find the exercises that fit you and just keep doing them.

Some people claim they keep "gaining" most workouts even at 50+, after a lifetime of lifting, always putting a little more load on machines or increasing reps. Like I've seen Dante Doggcrapp and others say. But it's deceptive when switching exercises constantly. Say your lifetime best was 20 reps on squats with 3 plates, if you do 21 then yeah that's a real gain but that's not what happens. You progress on a machine for 3 workouts and then switch to another and do the same, but there's no real gain, the bottom line max strength doesn't increase.

In recent years when I've had health issues and have taken time off and returned several times, at certain returns I've had pretty limited DOMS and wondered if there's something to Basile's DOMS ideas, just couldn't get deeply sore and gains were unsatisfactory. Now this go around I'm currently very sore, and have gained well very quickly. However I was also very sick and it was like I had cancer and lost an alarming amount weight and muscle, then suddenly my symptoms improved and it was like I put on 20lbs of muscle overnight even before returning to the gym or changed my eating. So it's hard to say how the DOMS factors in. TBH over the years I have been confused over what exactly Basile has been saying or what the template should be.

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Re: Question about muscle confusion
« Reply #37 on: April 07, 2025, 03:08:10 AM »
I’m going to join 15 gyms in order to maintain muscle confusion.

You seem a bit confused yourself.

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Re: Question about muscle confusion
« Reply #38 on: April 07, 2025, 04:18:41 AM »
Muscle confusion is a really confusing topic. I hope this post didn’t confuse anyone further.

You have to work on your muscle memory first.

Then you can begin work on muscle confusion.

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Re: Question about muscle confusion
« Reply #39 on: April 07, 2025, 05:28:40 AM »
You have to work on your muscle memory first.

Then you can begin work on muscle confusion.

Whoaaaaaaaaa


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Re: Question about muscle confusion
« Reply #40 on: April 07, 2025, 07:56:16 AM »
Honestly - I take a quick break and when I get back you're all having a (mostly) sensible conversation about weight-training!  What happened to this place.. ???

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Re: Question about muscle confusion
« Reply #41 on: April 07, 2025, 08:03:43 AM »
Honestly - I take a quick break and when I get back you're all having a (mostly) sensible conversation about weight-training!  What happened to this place.. ???


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Re: Question about muscle confusion
« Reply #42 on: April 07, 2025, 08:04:30 AM »
Honestly - I take a quick break and when I get back you're all having a (mostly) sensible conversation about weight-training!  What happened to this place.. ???



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Re: Question about muscle confusion
« Reply #43 on: April 07, 2025, 08:52:02 AM »
You obviously know little about hypertrophy. I wrote about this 25 years ago. If you have been training vigorously then try something new and develop DOMS the following days you triggered hypertrophy. Some exercise or equipment is more effective than what you have been training on. Find out which machines are effective and use them. Every third day. Warm up then work up to a maximum resistance for 15 reps. Do an additional 5 sets with that maximum resistance and you should trigger more DOMS and hence growth in the target muscle.
I am going to start this again with arms specialization.

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Re: Question about muscle confusion
« Reply #44 on: April 07, 2025, 09:52:35 AM »
You obviously know little about hypertrophy. I wrote about this 25 years ago. If you have been training vigorously then try something new and develop DOMS the following days you triggered hypertrophy. Some exercise or equipment is more effective than what you have been training on. Find out which machines are effective and use them. Every third day. Warm up then work up to a maximum resistance for 15 reps. Do an additional 5 sets with that maximum resistance and you should trigger more DOMS and hence growth in the target muscle.

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Re: Question about muscle confusion
« Reply #46 on: April 07, 2025, 10:58:19 AM »
You modified my post!
Welcome to my world.....

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Re: Question about muscle confusion
« Reply #47 on: April 07, 2025, 11:02:20 AM »
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Re: Question about muscle confusion
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Re: Question about muscle confusion
« Reply #49 on: April 07, 2025, 01:17:38 PM »
Welcome to my world.....

He didn’t modify my original post, dingus.

He just quoted it and changed a word around but the original still remains the same.

Be careful Shizzo, or I’ll start to have your posts deleted.
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