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Re: Total Tariff On China Now 104 percent
« Reply #100 on: April 11, 2025, 04:06:06 PM »
Lurker’s gimmick is he’s never been wrong,  one time Rambone engaged him in what looked like a legitimate political discussion and lurker couldn’t break character. He trolls on a different level but he can make valid points and have good observations.

But we need to remember that he’s always working Getbig.

I think Lurker is being truthful when he posts about getting the highest quality ladyboygina in the various asian countries he travels to

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Re: Total Tariff On China Now 104 percent
« Reply #101 on: April 11, 2025, 04:15:32 PM »
Lurker’s gimmick is he’s never been wrong,  one time Rambone engaged him in what looked like a legitimate political discussion and lurker couldn’t break character. He trolls on a different level but he can make valid points and have good observations.

But we need to remember that he’s always working Getbig.

Please post a link to that and remind of us.  I am actually curious to read this.

I’m not digging through topics because you don’t remember the interact.
Maybe Delon can find it?


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This might be it - I didnt go through the full thread but Rambone's post here looks to be in-line with your comment Dave and they went back & forth for many posts after


Boy, you can never admit when you’re wrong, huh?


https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=693810.msg10285974#msg10285974



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Re: Total Tariff On China Now 104 percent
« Reply #102 on: April 11, 2025, 04:26:32 PM »

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This might be it - I didnt go through the full thread but Rambone's post here looks to be in-line with your comment Dave and they went back & forth for many posts after



https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=693810.msg10285974#msg10285974

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Excellent work Delon! This is exactly what I was referring to!

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Re: Total Tariff On China Now 104 percent
« Reply #103 on: April 12, 2025, 02:51:46 AM »
You guys realize that China will simply just export to another country for reshipping first right?

No.

It’s country of origin on documents for Customs clearance.

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Re: Total Tariff On China Now 104 percent
« Reply #104 on: April 12, 2025, 02:57:49 AM »
This might be it - I didnt go through the full thread but Rambone's post here looks to be in-line with your comment Dave and they went back & forth for many posts after

https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=693810.msg10285974#msg10285974

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Excellent work Delon! This is exactly what I was referring to!

Every.

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Re: Total Tariff On China Now 104 percent
« Reply #105 on: April 12, 2025, 04:54:08 AM »
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Excellent work Delon! This is exactly what I was referring to!

No problem haha


Every.

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Re: Total Tariff On China Now 104 percent
« Reply #106 on: April 12, 2025, 05:51:58 AM »
Did I say that you said all tariffs are bad?

I’m not digging through topics because you don’t remember the interact.
Maybe Delon can find it?

You asked "if all tariffs are bad" which is a quantifying statement.

So no link.  Ok.

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Re: Total Tariff On China Now 104 percent
« Reply #107 on: April 12, 2025, 05:52:31 AM »
I think Lurker is being truthful when he posts about getting the highest quality ladyboygina in the various asian countries he travels to

Absolutely.  Since I have never posted that, when I actually do.. you can rest assured it will be true.

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Re: Total Tariff On China Now 104 percent
« Reply #108 on: April 12, 2025, 05:57:51 AM »

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This might be it - I didnt go through the full thread but Rambone's post here looks to be in-line with your comment Dave and they went back & forth for many posts after



https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=693810.msg10285974#msg10285974

Thanks for posting.  Perfect example of being correct (which is me) while someone is attempting to split hairs and move the goal posts for their arguments (which is not me). 

That is a classic thread of dumb ass conservatives attempting to side argue with themselves in weak ass attempts to "make a point".  Getting owned by the delegate issue and by someone's own words is hysterical.  But not nearly as hysterical as Rambone confessing his admiration of my dick and telling me that he thinks I am "handsome".    Wrong guy, but creepy as hell nonetheless. 

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Re: Total Tariff On China Now 104 percent
« Reply #109 on: April 12, 2025, 07:12:33 AM »
Thanks for posting.  Perfect example of being correct (which is me) while someone is attempting to split hairs and move the goal posts for their arguments (which is not me). 

That is a classic thread of dumb ass conservatives attempting to side argue with themselves in weak ass attempts to "make a point".  Getting owned by the delegate issue and by someone's own words is hysterical.  But not nearly as hysterical as Rambone confessing his admiration of my dick and telling me that he thinks I am "handsome".    Wrong guy, but creepy as hell nonetheless.
Royalty incoming to claim your are posting on both accounts

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Re: Total Tariff On China Now 104 percent
« Reply #110 on: April 12, 2025, 08:02:28 AM »
You asked "if all tariffs are bad" which is a quantifying statement.

So no link.  Ok.


Oh. I should have been specific, if all of Trumps tariffs are bad why did President Biden not rescind them?

Thanks for posting.  Perfect example of being correct (which is me) while someone is attempting to split hairs and move the goal posts for their arguments (which is not me). 

That is a classic thread of dumb ass conservatives attempting to side argue with themselves in weak ass attempts to "make a point".  Getting owned by the delegate issue and by someone's own words is hysterical.  But not nearly as hysterical as Rambone confessing his admiration of my dick and telling me that he thinks I am "handsome".    Wrong guy, but creepy as hell nonetheless. 

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Re: Total Tariff On China Now 104 percent
« Reply #111 on: April 12, 2025, 08:31:03 AM »
The history of tariffs in the United States is a long and evolving story, tied to the nation’s economic needs, political debates, and global relationships. Below is a concise overview of their development, focusing on key moments and shifts:
Early Years (1789–1815): Revenue and Protection
   •   1789: The Tariff Act of 1789 was one of the first laws passed by Congress, imposing a 5-15% duty on imports like wool, cotton, and manufactured goods. Its primary goal was to generate revenue for the new government, which lacked a federal income tax, while offering modest protection to infant industries.
   •   1790s–1800s: Tariffs fluctuated but remained a core revenue source. Debates emerged between Federalists, who favored protectionism, and Jeffersonian Republicans, who preferred lower tariffs to promote agriculture and trade.
   •   1807–1809: The Embargo Act and Non-Intercourse Act restricted trade with Britain and France during the Napoleonic Wars, indirectly acting as a protective barrier for U.S. industries, though not a tariff per se.
Rise of Protectionism (1816–1860)
   •   1816: The Tariff of 1816 marked a shift toward protectionism, raising duties to 20-25% on manufactured goods to shield U.S. industries from British competition after the War of 1812. It was the first explicitly protective tariff.
   •   1828: The “Tariff of Abominations” imposed high duties (up to 50%) on imports, favoring Northern manufacturers but angering Southern agrarians, who relied on cheap imported goods. This sparked the Nullification Crisis, with South Carolina threatening secession over federal tariff enforcement.
   •   1833–1840s: Compromise tariffs (e.g., Tariff of 1833) gradually lowered rates to ease tensions. By the 1840s, Democratic-led tariffs like the Walker Tariff (1846) reduced duties to around 25%, reflecting a brief free-trade lean.
   •   1857: The Tariff of 1857 further lowered rates to about 20%, aligning with Southern interests, but the Panic of 1857 led Northern industrialists to blame low tariffs for economic woes, reigniting protectionist calls.
Civil War and Industrial Protection (1861–1900)
   •   1861–1865: The Morrill Tariff (1861) and subsequent Civil War tariffs raised duties to 40-50% to fund the Union war effort and protect Northern industries. With Southern free-trade advocates absent from Congress, protectionism dominated.
   •   Post-War Era: High tariffs persisted to support industrialization. The Republican Party, dominant in this period, championed tariffs as a shield for American factories and workers. Rates averaged 40-50% on dutiable goods.
   •   1890: The McKinley Tariff raised duties to nearly 50%, protecting industries like steel and textiles but raising consumer prices, leading to Republican losses in the 1890 midterms.
   •   1894: The Wilson-Gorman Tariff slightly lowered rates under Democratic control but included an income tax to offset revenue losses (later struck down by the Supreme Court).
Early 20th Century: Protection vs. Reform (1900–1930)
   •   1909: The Payne-Aldrich Tariff aimed to lower rates but ended up maintaining high duties after Senate revisions, frustrating progressive reformers.
   •   1913: The Underwood Tariff, passed under President Wilson, significantly reduced rates to 25% and introduced a federal income tax (enabled by the 16th Amendment) to replace lost tariff revenue. This marked a shift toward freer trade.
   •   1922–1930: Post-World War I, Republican-led tariffs like the Fordney-McCumber Tariff (1922) and Smoot-Hawley Tariff (1930) raised duties to historic highs (up to 60% in some cases). Smoot-Hawley, passed during the Great Depression’s onset, aimed to protect farmers and industries but worsened global trade by triggering retaliatory tariffs from other nations.
Shift to Free Trade (1934–1980)
   •   1934: The Reciprocal Trade Agreements Act, under President Roosevelt, marked a turning point. It authorized the president to negotiate tariff reductions with other nations, promoting global trade recovery. This began a long decline in U.S. tariff rates.
   •   1947: The U.S. helped establish the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT), a multilateral framework to reduce tariffs and trade barriers. GATT rounds through the 1960s (e.g., Kennedy Round) cut U.S. tariffs to historic lows, averaging under 10%.
   •   1970s: Tariffs remained low, but non-tariff barriers (e.g., quotas on Japanese cars) emerged as the U.S. faced rising competition from Japan and Europe.
Late 20th Century: Targeted Protection (1980–2000)
   •   1980s: Reagan’s administration maintained low tariffs but used voluntary export restraints and quotas to protect industries like steel and autos from foreign competition, particularly Japan.
   •   1994: The North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) eliminated most tariffs between the U.S., Canada, and Mexico, reflecting a commitment to regional free trade.
   •   1995: The World Trade Organization (WTO) replaced GATT, further institutionalizing low tariffs globally. U.S. average tariffs fell to around 3-5%.
21st Century: Resurgence of Tariffs (2000–Present)
   •   2002: President Bush imposed temporary steel tariffs (up to 30%), citing unfair foreign competition. These were lifted in 2003 after WTO challenges and economic backlash.
   •   2018–2020: Under President Trump, tariffs saw a revival. The U.S. imposed duties on steel (25%) and aluminum (10%) globally, citing national security, and targeted China with tariffs on over $360 billion in goods (10-25%) to address trade imbalances and intellectual property theft. China retaliated, escalating a trade war.
   •   2021–Present: The Biden administration retained many Trump-era tariffs while adjusting some (e.g., easing EU steel tariffs). In 2024, Biden proposed further tariffs on Chinese electric vehicles and tech, citing strategic competition. As of April 12, 2025, tariffs remain a contentious tool, with debates over their impact on inflation, supply chains, and global relations.
Key Themes
   •   Revenue vs. Protection: Early tariffs focused on revenue; later ones prioritized protecting industries and workers.
   •   Regional Tensions: Tariffs often pitted Northern industrialists against Southern agrarians, shaping political divides.
   •   Global Impact: High tariffs (e.g., Smoot-Hawley) strained international trade, while low tariffs (post-1934) fostered globalization.
   •   Political Shifts: Republicans historically favored high tariffs, Democrats lower ones, though modern politics blur these lines.


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Re: Total Tariff On China Now 104 percent
« Reply #112 on: April 12, 2025, 08:37:33 AM »
The difference…

Whether tariffs are “better” than taxes depends on the context—economic goals, political priorities, and societal impacts all play a role. Both are tools governments use to raise revenue and influence behavior, but they function differently and have distinct trade-offs. Below, I’ll compare them across key dimensions to give you a clear picture, avoiding a one-size-fits-all answer.
1. Purpose and Mechanism
   •   Tariffs: Taxes on imported (or sometimes exported) goods. They raise revenue while protecting domestic industries by making foreign products more expensive. They can also be used strategically in trade negotiations or to address geopolitical concerns (e.g., national security).
   •   Taxes: Broad category (e.g., income, sales, corporate, property taxes) designed primarily to fund government operations. Some taxes, like sin taxes (on alcohol or tobacco), aim to shape behavior, but their main role is revenue generation without directly targeting trade.
Comparison: Tariffs have a dual role (revenue + protectionism), while taxes are typically revenue-focused. Tariffs influence international trade; taxes affect domestic economic activity.
2. Economic Impact
   •   Tariffs:
   ◦   Pros:
   ▪   Protect domestic industries and jobs by shielding them from cheaper foreign competition (e.g., U.S. steel tariffs in 2002 saved some steel jobs).
   ▪   Can incentivize local production (e.g., tariffs on Chinese electronics might boost U.S. manufacturing).
   ▪   Generate revenue without taxing citizens directly (in 1800s U.S., tariffs funded most of the federal budget).
   ◦   Cons:
   ▪   Raise consumer prices by increasing the cost of imports and sometimes domestic goods (e.g., Smoot-Hawley Tariff of 1930 deepened the Great Depression by spiking prices).
   ▪   Risk trade wars, as other nations retaliate (e.g., China’s counter-tariffs in 2018 hit U.S. farmers).
   ▪   May hurt industries reliant on imported inputs (e.g., tariffs on aluminum raised costs for U.S. carmakers).
   ▪   Inefficient revenue source today—U.S. tariffs in Jonathan to a 2018 study, tariffs generated $70 billion annually but covered only 2% of federal revenue.
   •   Taxes:
   ◦   Pros:
   ▪   Broader revenue base (e.g., income tax, sales tax) funds a larger share of government—U.S. federal income tax covers ~50% of revenue vs. tariffs’ 2%.
   ▪   More flexible: Can target specific groups (e.g., high earners) or behaviors (e.g., carbon taxes to curb emissions).
   ▪   Less distortionary in global trade—don’t trigger retaliatory tariffs or disrupt supply chains.
   ◦   Cons:
   ▪   Can reduce economic growth if too high (e.g., high corporate taxes might discourage investment).
   ▪   Politically unpopular—direct taxes (like income tax) feel more burdensome to citizens than “hidden” tariff costs passed through prices.
   ▪   Complex administration (e.g., IRS processing millions of returns vs. customs agents checking imports).
Comparison: Tariffs protect specific industries but raise prices and risk global backlash. Taxes fund more government services but can burden individuals and businesses directly. Tariffs are narrower in scope; taxes are more scalable.
3. Equity and Fairness
   •   Tariffs:
   ◦   Regressive: Higher prices hit lower-income households hardest, as they spend a larger share of income on goods (e.g., tariff-driven price hikes on clothes or appliances).
   ◦   Uneven impact: Benefits workers in protected industries (e.g., steel) but hurts consumers and import-reliant sectors (e.g., retail).
   •   Taxes:
   ◦   Can be progressive (e.g., higher income tax rates for wealthier people) or regressive (e.g., sales taxes hitting low earners more).
   ◦   Broader distribution: Everyone pays some form of tax (income, payroll, etc.), so the burden is less industry-specific.
Comparison: Taxes can be designed for fairness (e.g., tax credits for low-income families), while tariffs are inherently regressive, indirectly taxing consumers via prices.
4. Political and Practical Considerations
   •   Tariffs:
   ◦   Easier to sell politically: Framed as protecting “American jobs” or countering “unfair” trade (e.g., Trump’s 2018 tariffs on China).
   ◦   Simpler to implement: Customs services already monitor borders.
   ◦   Vulnerable to lobbying: Industries push for exemptions or higher tariffs, leading to cronyism (e.g., 19th-century U.S. tariff schedules were notoriously complex due to special interests).
   •   Taxes:
   ◦   Politically contentious: Tax hikes face resistance (e.g., 1993 Clinton tax increase sparked backlash despite balancing the budget).
   ◦   Complex systems: Income tax requires extensive bureaucracy; loopholes benefit the wealthy (e.g., U.S. tax code is over 70,000 pages).
   ◦   Stable revenue: Less prone to international disruptions like trade wars.
Comparison: Tariffs are politically expedient but prone to escalation and inefficiency. Taxes are harder to pass but more reliable long-term.
5. Historical and Modern Context
   •   Tariffs:
   ◦   Dominant in early U.S. (1789–1913) when tariffs funded 90% of federal revenue pre-income tax. Today, they’re minor (~2% of revenue) but resurgent for strategic goals (e.g., Biden’s 2024 tariffs on Chinese EVs).
   ◦   Global trade agreements (WTO, NAFTA) limit tariff use, but unilateral tariffs persist (e.g., U.S.-China trade war).
   •   Taxes:
   ◦   Rose with 16th Amendment (1913 income tax). Now the backbone of U.S. revenue: income tax (~50%), payroll tax (~30%).
   ◦   Modern debates focus on tax rates, loopholes, and fairness (e.g., 2025 Trump tax cut proposals vs. progressive wealth taxes).
Comparison: Tariffs were king when governments were small and trade was simpler. Taxes suit complex, service-heavy economies but spark endless reform debates.
6. Global and Long-Term Effects
   •   Tariffs:
   ◦   Can disrupt global supply chains (e.g., 2018 tariffs raised costs for U.S. manufacturers using Chinese parts).
   ◦   Long-term, high tariffs reduce efficiency—protected industries stagnate without competition (e.g., U.S. sugar tariffs keep prices 2x world levels).
   ◦   Can shift trade patterns (e.g., post-2018, Vietnam gained as firms bypassed China).
   •   Taxes:
   ◦   Less global fallout—don’t typically spark retaliatory policies (though corporate tax hikes can drive firms offshore, e.g., inversions to Ireland).
   ◦   Long-term, high taxes may slow growth, but well-designed taxes (e.g., VAT in Europe) fund robust services without heavy trade distortion.
Comparison: Tariffs ripple globally, risking escalation and inefficiency. Taxes are domestic but can stifle innovation if mismanaged.
Specific Scenarios
   •   If the goal is revenue: Taxes win. U.S. income and payroll taxes dwarf tariff revenue ($4 trillion vs. $70 billion annually). Tariffs can’t scale without crippling trade.
   •   If the goal is protection: Tariffs are better—they directly shield industries. Taxes don’t target specific sectors unless paired with subsidies (e.g., tax credits for green energy).
   •   If the goal is fairness: Taxes are more flexible—progressive systems redistribute wealth. Tariffs burden consumers indiscriminately.
   •   If the goal is geopolitics: Tariffs can pressure adversaries (e.g., China tariffs to curb tech theft), but taxes don’t play this role.
Caveats
   •   Data Gaps: Exact impacts vary. For example, a 2019 study estimated Trump’s tariffs cost U.S. consumers $40 billion annually but saved 50,000 steel jobs. Tax studies (e.g., CBO) show high rates cut GDP growth, but by how much depends on the tax type.
   •   Context Matters: A small tariff in a trade-heavy nation (e.g., 19th-century U.S.) works better than in today’s globalized economy. High taxes fit service-based economies but not cash-strapped ones.
Final Answer
Neither is inherently “better”—it’s situational. Tariffs excel for protecting industries or geopolitical leverage but raise prices and risk retaliation. Taxes are superior for revenue and fairness but can overburden economies if poorly designed. Historically, the U.S. shifted from tariffs to taxes as its economy grew complex, yet tariffs persist for strategic aims (e.g., 2025 China tensions). If you have a specific goal (e.g., fund schools, etc)

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Re: Total Tariff On China Now 104 percent
« Reply #113 on: April 12, 2025, 01:48:44 PM »
Oh dear... how's that China tariff holding up today?

Still 145%?  Except computers.  And smartphones.  And chips.  And monitors.  And other electronics.  And what else?  Is anything left?  Besides cheap crap from Temu?

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Re: Total Tariff On China Now 104 percent
« Reply #114 on: April 12, 2025, 05:09:15 PM »
Oh dear... how's that China tariff holding up today?

Still 145%?  Except computers.  And smartphones.  And chips.  And monitors.  And other electronics.  And what else?  Is anything left?  Besides cheap crap from Temu?

You’re for every other country but our own. Comrade

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Re: Total Tariff On China Now 104 percent
« Reply #115 on: April 12, 2025, 05:37:35 PM »
Oh dear... how's that China tariff holding up today?

Still 145%?  Except computers.  And smartphones.  And chips.  And monitors.  And other electronics.  And what else?  Is anything left?  Besides cheap crap from Temu?

They pulled electronics because you can’t retool from a 16T economy to a 450B economy in 2wks. Was never going to sit at 145% but it is a warning shot to business.

As we reduce the range of skus is reduces workload. Reduced workload means we can do more shit that matters and creates an environment for improvement.

If you mow 10 lawns in a day vs 1 lawn guess which one will look the best? That’s what this is all about. Our infrastructure is falling apart and China lives in the future. We will have an economic boom to outbuild what China has today. Plebs just don’t understand how it works so they protest.

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Re: Total Tariff On China Now 104 percent
« Reply #116 on: April 12, 2025, 06:27:14 PM »
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Re: Total Tariff On China Now 104 percent
« Reply #117 on: April 12, 2025, 06:58:13 PM »
WHAT YOU'RE NOT HEARING: The Chinese cannot replace the U.S. market. Without it, the Chinese economy collapses.

Here's why… China's entire economic miracle was built on ONE thing - being America's cheap manufacturing hub.

The "Chinese miracle" playbook was simple:

• Open markets to the West
• Offer dirt-cheap labor
• Ignore safety standards
• Let Western companies rake in profits

This worked for decades. But China forgot something crucial: others can do this too.

MASSIVE MISCALCULATION: Beijing thought the American leaders they made rich would protect them forever. They believed these corporate puppet masters would never let the US stand up to China.

WRONG. Along came Donald Trump, who owes them nothing.

The numbers don't lie

• US exports to China: $143.5B
• Chinese imports to US: $438.9B

They flood our markets while closing or restricting THEIR markets.

But Trump said: NO MORE

Meanwhile, countries like India, Vietnam, and Bangladesh are CELEBRATING. They're ready to take China's place, AND open their markets to the U.S. - and Trump's willing to deal.

HERE'S what the Enemedia WON'T tell you:

Chinese exporters are PANICKING

• Abandoning shipments mid-voyage
• Factory orders FROZEN
• Container volume DOWN 90%

And this is just the beginning. China can't replace the U.S. market that made it rich.

Reports flooding in:

• Factories shutting down
• Amazon canceling orders
• Stores closing
• Warehouses overflowing

The house of cards is falling. But the Enemedia gives you nothing but Chinese propaganda.

CRUCIAL FACT: America buys 3X more than Japan (China's next biggest customer).

Without us, they're FINISHED. And they were already on the ropes.

Will this affect US consumers? Sure, briefly. You might struggle to find cheap plastic junk for a few months.

But other countries will step up. And TRILLIONS in new investment are flowing into America, while countless factories LEAVE China.

Will this affect US consumers? Sure, briefly. You might struggle to find cheap plastic junk for a few months.

The bottom line: China picked a fight they can't win. While America adjusts, the CCP will face the consequences of their refusal to truly open their own markets, or to abandon aggression against their neighbors.

Game over. The decoupling is under way.

Rod Martin, Founder and CEO Martin Capital

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Re: Total Tariff On China Now 104 percent
« Reply #118 on: April 12, 2025, 09:32:55 PM »

Coach, this was in place 5yrs ago with the pandemic. I don’t know who wrote your post but they aren’t smart. It’s has always been known China was a volume economy but EU is their biggest customer, not the Us. That’s why China hit back so hard and have asked the EU to team up.

If your sources are only talking it now, they are 5yrs behind the game as tariffs were always in play.


Shortage 2.0 has begun. Lights out now for anyone who didn’t buy their wants in 2020-21. Property will boom like absolute crazy now aswell. All those plebs with money but no shit on shelves, guess where it all goes? Property 😉

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Re: Total Tariff On China Now 104 percent
« Reply #119 on: April 13, 2025, 04:26:02 AM »
Where you from, Lurker?

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Re: Total Tariff On China Now 104 percent
« Reply #120 on: April 13, 2025, 04:49:41 AM »
Where you from, Lurker?

Take a guess.

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Re: Total Tariff On China Now 104 percent
« Reply #121 on: April 13, 2025, 04:52:13 AM »
Let's add semiconductors to the list.  Yep, one more item China is exempt from.  Will soybeans be exempted next?  Stay tuned and find out...  :D :D

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Re: Total Tariff On China Now 104 percent
« Reply #122 on: April 13, 2025, 09:13:46 AM »

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« Reply #123 on: April 13, 2025, 09:14:47 AM »
Let's add semiconductors to the list.  Yep, one more item China is exempt from.  Will soybeans be exempted next?  Stay tuned and find out...  :D :D

Chinese food.

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Re: Total Tariff On China Now 104 percent
« Reply #124 on: April 13, 2025, 10:11:55 AM »
Georgia?

The state or the country?  /goofy retard voice of the traffic cone