Israel strikes Iran - 06-12-25

[webstar]

Hopefully we can stay out of it.

lol I wish.

Isreal been clamouring about the nukes since 1995 if I’m not mistaken.

Turn on the money printer.

[Ron]

Oil...  The United States produces more crude oil than it consumes and has become a net exporter of petroleum products. While the US imports some crude oil, it exports even more, resulting in a net positive export balance.    The US is ok with the price being higher, it makes for good profit for oil companies here.

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Iran claims everything they can in their news - they need to keep the people thinking all is great. before they rise up against the leaders.

[chaos]

Thousands of years of bitching and fighting about land and religion. 

[Humble Narcissist]

Thousands of years of bitching and fighting about land and religion. 

The infinite war. It never ends.

[obsidian]

APOCALYPSE NOW IN TEL AVIV

https://rumble.com/v6urhgb-paocalypse-now-in-tel-aviv.-1-video-for-5-footages.html?mref=x8y2t&mc=722lg

Just remember who started this.

[Van_Bilderass]

Oil...  The United States produces more crude oil than it consumes and has become a net exporter of petroleum products. While the US imports some crude oil, it exports even more, resulting in a net positive export balance.    The US is ok with the price being higher, it makes for good profit for oil companies here.


Iran claims everything they can in their news - they need to keep the people thinking all is great. before they rise up against the leaders.

These regime change operations always work out so great, once they rise up finally there will be democracy and liberalism. Worked great in Irak, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan and on and on. Once Putin is overthrown the Russians will be just like "us." Seems to me what comes after color revolutions is always worse, and that is the intention.

Western media is so honest. Israeli media never lies either. All reporting on the Palestine war there has to pass through state censors, can't have the people hearing the "wrong" information. I'm sure you know this Ron but in case someone doubts this look it up. Israel never intentionally shot against civilians, never abused prisoners, "most moral army in the world." What is the Mossad motto? "By way of deception, thou shalt do war." Israelis are known for being at the forefront of intelligence gathering and manipulation of public perception. Anyhow, in wars all sides always manipulate information, don't publicize own losses and exaggerate wins.

I don't know what will happen to oil prices but I know for sure the average man in the US is awfully sensitive about gas prices. All the experts are warning that prices may spike. They are worried about Saudi oil installations becoming a target also and Saudi is *extremely* important for the US.

[obsidian]

Once Putin is overthrown the Russians will be just like "us."

I don't see that happening. This is pure fantasy. The US is an upstart compared to Russia. Russia existed long before Europeans even arrived in North America to build an outpost.

[GymnJuice]

lol I wish.

Isreal been clamouring about the nukes since 1995 if I’m not mistaken.

Turn on the money printer.

It is hard to know the real motivations. Netanyahu has his own political reasons to instigate and prolong conflicts. I'm no expert. Maybe they really wanted to stop Iran's nuclear program, maybe their real objective is regime change, maybe it is "wagging the dog," or maybe it is just a combination of all the above.

[oldschoolfan]

Oil...  The United States produces more crude oil than it consumes and has become a net exporter of petroleum products. While the US imports some crude oil, it exports even more, resulting in a net positive export balance.    The US is ok with the price being higher, it makes for good profit for oil companies here.


Iran claims everything they can in their news - they need to keep the people thinking all is great. before they rise up against the leaders.

this is another reason china will not go to war with the u.s  china gets 80% of there oil from the saudis the u.s can easily prevent this if they wanted to.   the chinese would run out of oil and food in a few months

[obsidian]

this is another reason china will not go to war with the u.s  china gets 80% of there oil from the saudis the u.s can easily prevent this if they wanted to.   the chinese would run out of oil and food in a few months

China can get their oil from Russia. They are already working on more pipelines. Look at a map. Russia is massive.

[obsidian]

How many booms for Tel Aviv?
https://x.com/bigmadcrab/status/1933685791340798461

https://x.com/oneofnine/status/1933697085716451641

[obsidian]

Here's Trump saying Biden will start a war with Iran because he has absolutely no ability to negotiate, and he is weak, and ineffective.

The irony. What is Trump then? How close are we to war with Iran?

https://x.com/bigmadcrab/status/1932938203045965873

[Kwon]

Who has caused most destruction so far in June?

Israel on Iran or Iran on Israel?

[Irongrip400]

Who has caused most destruction so far in June?

Israel on Iran or Iran on Israel?

Iran is just piddling around. None of these fools ever actually really retaliate against Israel because they’re scared and Israel just has much better weapons. They’re smarter too.

[Van_Bilderass]

Iran is just piddling around. None of these fools ever actually really retaliate against Israel because they’re scared and Israel just has much better weapons. They’re smarter too.

It is embarrassing for Iran how Israelis have infiltrated their country, building a drone base there. Likely money to Iranians has played a part, CIA and Israeli money.

Yes they are obviously operating from a base of weakness, not many options. Some analysts I watch and like think Iranians should concentrate on keeping the regime together instead of retaliating militarily right now. However they HAVE to respond in some measure because not doing anything undermines their authority as well. I have no love for Iranians as such, have many personal gripes with many of them. But here I sympathize still, they were negotiating and would have made significant concessions, accepted very tough inspections and so on, and now they're getting fucked in the ass by two faced liars like Trump. Israel and the US were demanding they lie down like dogs. Never trust Americans, that's what countries are learning more and more if they didn't think like that already.

[Van_Bilderass]

Netanyahu had a call with Putin and the Russian readout says they blame Israel entirely and condemn the attack. It also appears as though Russia blames the drone attacks in Russia on UK, US and Israeli cooperation with Ukraine. Interesting considering Israel also had drones in Iran itself. How much support will Russia now give Iran?

Tucker Carlson on June 5:

Mark Levin was at the White House today, lobbying for war with Iran. To be clear, Levin has no plans to fight in this or any other war. He’s demanding that American troops do it. We need to stop Iran from building nuclear weapons, he and likeminded ideologues in Washington are now arguing. They’re just weeks away.

If this sounds familiar, it's because the same people have been making the same claim since at least the 1990s. It’s a lie. In fact, there is zero credible intelligence that suggests Iran is anywhere near building a bomb, or has plans to. None. Anyone who claims otherwise is ignorant or dishonest. If the US government knew Iran was weeks from possessing a nuclear weapon, we’d be at war already.

Iran knows this, which is why they aren’t building one. Iran also knows it’s unwise to give up its weapons program entirely. Muammar Gaddafi tried that and wound up sodomized with a bayonet. As soon as Gaddafi disarmed, NATO killed him. Iran’s leaders saw that happen. They learned the obvious lesson.

So why is Mark Levin once again hyperventilating about weapons of mass destruction? To distract you from the real goal, which is regime change — young Americans heading back to the Middle East to topple yet another government. Virtually no one will say this out loud. America’s record of overthrowing foreign leaders is so embarrassingly counterproductive that regime change has become a synonym for disaster. Officially, no one supports it. So instead of telling the truth about their motives, they manufacture hysteria: “A country like Iran can never have the bomb! They’ll nuke Los Angeles! We have to act now!”

They don’t really mean this, and you can tell they don’t by what they omit. At least two of Iran’s neighbors — both Islamic nations — already have nuclear weapons. That fact should scare the hell out of Mark Levin. Yet for some reason he never mentions it. How come? Because it’s not the weapons he hates. It’s the ideology of the Iranian government, which is why he’s lobbying to overthrow it.

It goes without saying that there are very few Trump voters who’d support a regime change war in Iran. Donald Trump has argued loudly against reckless lunacy like this. Trump ran for president as a peace candidate. That’s what made him different from conventional Republicans. It’s why he won. A war with Iran would amount to a profound betrayal of his supporters. It would end his presidency. That may explain why so many of Trump’s enemies are advocating for it.

And then there’s the question of the war itself. Iran may not have nukes, but it has a fearsome arsenal of ballistic missiles, many of which are aimed at US military installations in the Gulf, as well as at our allies and at critical energy infrastructure. The first week of a war with Iran could easily kill thousands of Americans. It could also collapse our economy, as surging oil prices trigger unmanageable inflation. Consider the effects of $30 gasoline.

But the second week of the war could be even worse. Iran isn’t Iraq or Libya, or even North Korea. While it’s often described as a rogue state, Iran has powerful allies. It’s now part of a global bloc called BRICS, which represents the majority of the world’s landmass, population, economy and military power. Iran has extensive military ties with Russia. It sells the overwhelming majority of its oil exports to China. Iran isn’t alone. An attack on Iran could very easily become a world war. We’d lose.

None of these are far fetched predictions. Most of them comport with the Pentagon’s own estimates: many Americans would die during a war with Iran. People like Mark Levin don’t seem to care about this. It’s not relevant to them. Instead they insist that Iran give up all uranium enrichment, regardless of its purpose. They know perfectly well that Iran will never accept that demand. They’ll fight first. And of course that’s the whole point of pushing for it: to box the Trump administration into a regime change war in Iran.

The one thing that people like Mark Levin don’t want is a peaceful solution to the problem of Iran, despite the obvious benefits to the United States. They denounce anyone who advocates for a deal as a traitor and a bigot. They tell us with a straight face that Long Island native Steve Witkoff is a secret tool of Islamic monarchies. They’ll say or do whatever it takes. They have no limits. These are scary people. Pray that Donald Trump ignores them.

On June 13:

The real divide isn’t between people who support Israel and people who support Iran or the Palestinians. The real divide is between those who casually encourage violence, and those who seek to prevent it — between warmongers and peacemakers. Who are the warmongers? They would include anyone who’s calling Donald Trump today to demand air strikes and other direct US military involvement in a war with Iran. On that list: Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, Rupert Murdoch, Ike Perlmutter and Miriam Adelson. At some point they will all have to answer for this, but you should know their names now.

[obsidian]

Iran is just piddling around. None of these fools ever actually really retaliate against Israel because they’re scared and Israel just has much better weapons. They’re smarter too.

Haifa has been hit very hard. Looked like a steady meteor shower. Most hit the ground.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ProRussia_news/comments/1lanwrg/multiple_missiles_hit_haifa/

[obsidian]

Who has caused most destruction so far in June?

Israel on Iran or Iran on Israel?

Apparently, Iran’s warheads are heavier than Israel’s. Iran is also a much larger country with the geographical advantage of housing its nuclear and weapons facilities deep underground—something Israel doesn’t have the same luxury to do. Without U.S. backing, Israel would likely lose a conventional war with Iran. Its only trump card is nuclear weapons—but using them would only highlight the hypocrisy. The message would essentially be: Iran wasn’t allowed to have nukes, so we had to nuke them to prove our point.

Iran also holds strategic value for both Russia and China. The effort to undermine it follows a familiar pattern—just like Ukraine, Syria, and Afghanistan. It’s part of a broader strategy: slowly encircle and weaken Russia, with the endgame of breaking it into controllable regions. But it’s hard to imagine Putin—or the Russian people—standing by and letting that happen.

[obsidian]

"Moments from the new normal that the residents of Haifa must get used to as Netanyahu continues to slaughter Palestinians and attacks Iran... Good luck!"

https://x.com/SavageFunFacts/status/1934048143429222740

[obsidian]

Finally finally someone doing what I wanted always, showing atrocities of Israel live to enablers and funders (Council)

https://x.com/GozukaraFurkan/status/1931397898660413871

[obsidian]

Saw this. I think it is fake news / propaganda though:

https://x.com/IRIran_official/status/1933975339149250971

#Pakistan has informed the United States that any nuclear attack on #Iran will be met with a nuclear response from Pakistan against Israel.

Pakistan has also informed France and the U.S. that if any country directly intervenes in the war against Iran and Israel, the Pakistani military will enter the war alongside Iran against Israel.

[GymnJuice]

Haifa has been hit very hard. Looked like a steady meteor shower. Most hit the ground.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ProRussia_news/comments/1lanwrg/multiple_missiles_hit_haifa/

US and UK are moving military assets to the Middle East now. I think this is because the Iron Dome cannot fully protect Israel from Iran's missiles and those ships help shoot down Iran's missiles.

The last time this happened I think Jordan also helped shoot down Iranian missiles.

[Van_Bilderass]

US and UK are moving military assets to the Middle East now. I think this is because the Iron Dome cannot fully protect Israel from Iran's missiles and those ships help shoot down Iran's missiles.

The last time this happened I think Jordan also helped shoot down Iranian missiles.

AFAIK the UK doesn't have hardly any assets


Prof. Marandi of Iran said right now Jordan, Iraq, and I think he said Qatar, UAE and a couple more muslim states are involved in shooting down Iranian missiles.

Apparently, Iran’s warheads are heavier than Israel’s. Iran is also a much larger country with the geographical advantage of housing its nuclear and weapons facilities deep underground—something Israel doesn’t have the same luxury to do. Without U.S. backing, Israel would likely lose a conventional war with Iran. Its only trump card is nuclear weapons—but using them would only highlight the hypocrisy. The message would essentially be: Iran wasn’t allowed to have nukes, so we had to nuke them to prove our point.

Iran also holds strategic value for both Russia and China. The effort to undermine it follows a familiar pattern—just like Ukraine, Syria, and Afghanistan. It’s part of a broader strategy: slowly encircle and weaken Russia, with the endgame of breaking it into controllable regions. But it’s hard to imagine Putin—or the Russian people—standing by and letting that happen.

These points are also my impression. They don't know how many missiles Iran has exactly, they themselves I think claimed like 3000 plus there's a large industrial base all over Iran producing more. I don't know if Russia is supplying more or more defense batteries at the moment, at least not overtly. The US has a shortage of missiles, a depleted stock, they say they can't even keep supplying Ukraine anymore. So question is what happens if this becomes a war of attrition. If Israel attacks oil refineries who knows if Iran targets the Gulf oil producing states, Marandi says these states are finished if so, but he's partisan of course.

Edit: of course Israel has now attacked the largest gas field in the world in Iran.

[OlympiaGym]

America loves a winner. Israel is a winner.

[Van_Bilderass]

America loves a winner. Israel is a winner.

Israel has won the loathing of the whole world.

I think, according to polls, at least 70% of Americans are against Israel due to what it's doing in Gaza. It has lost a whole lot of soft power. Americans loathe Israel so much that Trump has had to put them in a new special protected class, curbing freedom of speech. If Israel resorts to nuclear weapons now, they will have to invent a new class of evil to describe it. You can win and still lose.