Lat "isolation"

[Donny]

I have no access to Nautilus machines so i make do with a DB Pullover, I believe the Pullover is a great Lat builder

[LurkerNoMore]

It's a great lat exercise.  However, I have never understood people who recommend it for chest.   

[Donny]

It's a great lat exercise.  However, I have never understood people who recommend it for chest.   

me neither but they do the cross bench version..dropping the hips 

[SF1900]

It’s one of those exercises that I never felt in my lats.

And I’m one of the bigger guys here.

[Donny]

It’s one of those exercises that I never felt in my lats.

And I’m one of the bigger guys here.

Guess you must be bigger than Dorian 
Regardless..everyone has an opinion.

[Humble Narcissist]

It's a great lat exercise.  However, I have never understood people who recommend it for chest.   

Oldtime bodybuilding courses taught that it thickened the ribcage especially when done right after 20 rep squats.

[SF1900]

Guess you must be bigger than Dorian 
Regardless..everyone has an opinion.

Slightly bigger than Dorian, but he has a better back than I do. But I have better everything else.

[Donny]

Oldtime bodybuilding courses taught that it thickened the ribcage especially when done right after 20 rep squats.

yes they believed in the Stretch, the cartilage maybe up to a certain age.

Slightly bigger than Dorian, but he has a better back than I do. But I have better everything else.

haha..i´m sure you do but the Back is the topic

[IroNat]

Flat bench pullovers do stimulate the chest because the pecs are contracted at the finish (dumbbell overhead).

The straight arm lat pulldown is basically a pullover.

[Donny]

Pullovers do stimulate the chest because the pecs are contracted at the finish.

so the range of motion is important, if you notice Dorian used a slightly shorter range of motion, but you know this i am sure buddy.

[SF1900]

so the range of motion is important, if you notice Dorian used a slightly shorter range of motion, but you know this i am sure buddy.

Interestingly enough, I do feel the straight arm lat pulldown, which kind of mimics a dumbbell pullover.

[Donny]

Interestingly enough, I do feel the straight arm lat pulldown, which kind of mimics a dumbbell pullover.

yes it´s a lat exercise & has been used for many years to "isolate" the lats.
I love (as i have wrote before on the mature thread ) the pullover & press.. ala Rich Gaspari 

[Van_Bilderass]

The db pullover is not very similar to the machine. To get closer to simulating a machine you'd need to attach a band to the bell. You ever do this Donny? The straight arm pulldown doesn't load the lats very well either compared to the machine and you tire your triceps a bunch. I used to do a lot of cross bench pullovers when young; I noticed I liked doing tricep extensions when in that position, nice therapeutic feeling stretch when dropping the hips, for more than just the tricep. Don't know if I'd dare do those hard today for fear of tearing a tricep

[SF1900]

yes it´s a lat exercise & has been used for many years to "isolate" the lats.
I love (as i have wrote before on the mature thread ) the pullover & press.. ala Rich Gaspari 

youre really confusing the muscle with the pullover and press.

[Donny]

The db pullover is not very similar to the machine. To get closer to simulating a machine you'd need to attach a band to the bell. You ever do this Donny? The straight arm pulldown doesn't load the lats very well either compared to the machine and you tire your triceps a bunch. I used to do a lot of cross bench pullovers when young; I noticed I liked doing tricep extensions when in that position, nice therapeutic feeling stretch when dropping the hips, for more than just the tricep. Don't know if I'd dare do those hard today for fear of tearing a tricep

Great post..but i honestly feel my lats in the DB Pullover

youre really confusing the muscle with the pullover and press.

Best of both worlds 

[Donny]

i´ve posted this before but i liked Rich´s ripped up physique for his time.
was more a Tricep move

[joswift]

The db pullover is not very similar to the machine. To get closer to simulating a machine you'd need to attach a band to the bell. You ever do this Donny? The straight arm pulldown doesn't load the lats very well either compared to the machine and you tire your triceps a bunch. I used to do a lot of cross bench pullovers when young; I noticed I liked doing tricep extensions when in that position, nice therapeutic feeling stretch when dropping the hips, for more than just the tricep. Don't know if I'd dare do those hard today for fear of tearing a tricep

exactly the same as a straight arm pulldown

[Van_Bilderass]

exactly the same as a straight arm pulldown

I think the bench adds stability which is key to be able to generate maximum force, so this is probably better. In the pulldown your abs probably get the most stimulation

[joswift]

I think the bench adds stability which is key to be able to generate maximum force, so this is probably better. In the pulldown your abs probably get the most stimulation

good point, it is a great core exercise

[Methyl m1ke]

The db pullover is not very similar to the machine. To get closer to simulating a machine you'd need to attach a band to the bell. You ever do this Donny? The straight arm pulldown doesn't load the lats very well either compared to the machine and you tire your triceps a bunch. I used to do a lot of cross bench pullovers when young; I noticed I liked doing tricep extensions when in that position, nice therapeutic feeling stretch when dropping the hips, for more than just the tricep. Don't know if I'd dare do those hard today for fear of tearing a tricep

I have always done them lying across the bench hips below the bench with either someone standing on my feet or a pair of 100s i can anchor my feet under. Your lats are really strong and the best way to stimulate them is with a heavy dumbell. I worked up to 6 with 130 at my peak. It does also put your shoulder in an awkward position

[Dave D]

Interestingly enough, I do feel the straight arm lat pulldown, which kind of mimics a dumbbell pullover.

I second this. I don’t like the db pullover but I do feel the pulldown version.

[Van_Bilderass]

I have always done them lying across the bench hips below the bench with either someone standing on my feet or a pair of 100s i can anchor my feet under. Your lats are really strong and the best way to stimulate them is with a heavy dumbell. I worked up to 6 with 130 at my peak. It does also put your shoulder in an awkward position

I absolutely loved the cross bench pullovers, about 30 years ago lol, I remember Nasser doing them with a 200 bell in flex mag. First I would take a deep breath and hold it, drop the hips as much as possible, then descend into absolute max stretch. Only release the air at the top and go again. We only had dbs up to 100 and I think I was up to 30 such reps. Problem is, I later realized, I would eventually tear a tri doing them because I always wanted more weight plus I suspected they also might have to do with the umbilical hernia I developed way back in 1998 already
Maybe 3-4 years ago I was finally at a gym with a plate loaded pullover and was humbled, two training partners were tripling my reps, one a natural, and I was the one training it the most, wtf

[Donny]

don´t see these often...Barbell Pullovers

[Van_Bilderass]

don´t see these often...Barbell Pullovers

Never did those, looks like a crazy ab, hip flexor, even isometric quad exercise

[funk51]

   

   Remember when they were selling the isolators ?   also years back the old 20 rep squat followed by a set of 20  pullovers on a moon bench of course.