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Re: Game changer if implemented - Communist Control Act of 1954
« Reply #25 on: July 08, 2025, 10:49:05 AM »
Such Eisenhower era presidential orders is how they try to keep all UAP relation information, retrieval and reverse engineering programs from congress and many presidents. Probably illegal / unconstitutional, but they so far have been getting away with it.

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Re: Game changer if implemented
« Reply #26 on: July 08, 2025, 11:10:51 AM »
IMO it Depends. Actions and policy decisions speaks volumes.

Is it the case that given the huge subsidies (handouts) given to his companies and his present disloyal behaviour is Elon Musk now a Socialist ?
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Re: Game changer if implemented - Communist Control Act of 1954
« Reply #27 on: July 08, 2025, 11:18:49 AM »
Actually, it is hard to argue that Social Security and Medicare are socialist programs since you pay for them with your own money.

A better way of looking at it would be as a Ponzi scheme.  Because of the number of people that pay into it and die before they can draw from it.  Or just by the nature that you (or most people) will never draw the full amount that they pay into it.

Where would money for socialist programs come from? Schools are socialist programs paid for by taxes that could also be considered a Ponzi scheme.

On paper social security and Medicare should work, there were more baby boomers paying into the program than there were people using the services. Those funds should have been making income to supply those who are now drawing from it.

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Re: Game changer if implemented - Communist Control Act of 1954
« Reply #28 on: July 08, 2025, 11:52:04 AM »
Where would money for socialist programs come from? Schools are socialist programs paid for by taxes that could also be considered a Ponzi scheme.

On paper social security and Medicare should work, there were more baby boomers paying into the program than there were people using the services. Those funds should have been making income to supply those who are now drawing from it.

True but (as you know) there is no "fund" set aside to pay benefits.




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Re: Game changer if implemented
« Reply #29 on: July 08, 2025, 01:37:37 PM »
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Re: Game changer if implemented
« Reply #30 on: July 08, 2025, 01:39:42 PM »
Is it the case that given the huge subsidies (handouts) given to his companies and his present disloyal behaviour is Elon Musk now a Socialist ?

That’s not socialism. The same way an SBA loan isn’t socialism. While you’re at it, might want to take some time to educate yourself. It’s a very good read.


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Re: Game changer if implemented - Communist Control Act of 1954
« Reply #31 on: July 08, 2025, 05:34:47 PM »
Actually, it is hard to argue that Social Security and Medicare are socialist programs since you pay for them with your own money.

A better way of looking at it would be as a Ponzi scheme.  Because of the number of people that pay into it and die before they can draw from it.  Or just by the nature that you (or most people) will never draw the full amount that they pay into it.

Everything in socialist countries is paid for with the people’s money (or labor). Same thing.

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Re: Game changer if implemented
« Reply #32 on: July 08, 2025, 05:35:44 PM »
Is it the case that given the huge subsidies (handouts) given to his companies and his present disloyal behaviour is Elon Musk now a Socialist ?

He’s the epitome of a crony-capitalist.

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Re: Game changer if implemented
« Reply #33 on: July 08, 2025, 07:42:34 PM »
He’s the epitome of a crony-capitalist.

How would you propose raising capitol for a car manufacturing company and a space program?

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Re: Game changer if implemented
« Reply #34 on: July 10, 2025, 03:51:15 AM »
How would you propose raising capitol for a car manufacturing company and a space program?

Is this a serious question?

Through private entities with no government involvement in the way of subsidies, tax benefits, or other ways in which socialist countries pick winners in industry. Henry Ford did alright without socialism.

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Re: Game changer if implemented - Communist Control Act of 1954
« Reply #35 on: July 10, 2025, 04:43:56 AM »
Everything in socialist countries is paid for with the people’s money (or labor). Same thing.

Even socialist societies would have a hierarchy of power , which defeats the point of socialism

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Re: Game changer if implemented - Communist Control Act of 1954
« Reply #36 on: July 10, 2025, 04:47:35 AM »
Where would money for socialist programs come from? Schools are socialist programs paid for by taxes that could also be considered a Ponzi scheme.

On paper social security and Medicare should work, there were more baby boomers paying into the program than there were people using the services. Those funds should have been making income to supply those who are now drawing from it.

Exactly.  Because on paper, SS and Medicare are not paying for socialist programs.  They are designed to benefit the people paying into the system.  (people dying before collecting aside for the moment)

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Re: Game changer if implemented - Communist Control Act of 1954
« Reply #37 on: July 10, 2025, 04:49:19 AM »
Everything in socialist countries is paid for with the people’s money (or labor). Same thing.

The point I am making is that Social Security and Medicare by design are not taking money from people to pay for roads and such.  They are designed to be used by and for the people paying into the system.

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Re: Game changer if implemented
« Reply #38 on: July 10, 2025, 04:50:54 AM »
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That’s not socialism. The same way an SBA loan isn’t socialism.

You obviously do not understand the difference between subsidies and loans.  Which is not a surprise at all.

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Re: Game changer if implemented - Communist Control Act of 1954
« Reply #39 on: July 10, 2025, 04:57:42 AM »
The point I am making is that Social Security and Medicare by design are not taking money from people to pay for roads and such.  They are designed to be used by and for the people paying into the system.

they pretend taxation and national insurances are different pots but the government just spends money as it sees fit, its one big fucking pot they piss away

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Re: Game changer if implemented
« Reply #40 on: July 10, 2025, 07:47:25 AM »
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You obviously do not understand the difference between subsidies and loans.  Which is not a surprise at all.

I absolutely do. Tesla was a $465 million loan from the Department of Energy vehicles and manufacturing that was paid back in full. Space X works on Government contracts that doesn't need to be paid back because the funds are for delivered services. Both have some subsidies. Tesla with tax credits and grants (like every electric car manufacturer).

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Re: Game changer if implemented
« Reply #41 on: July 10, 2025, 07:53:37 AM »
Is this a serious question?

Through private entities with no government involvement in the way of subsidies, tax benefits, or other ways in which socialist countries pick winners in industry. Henry Ford did alright without socialism.

Yeah, dead serious. I can't believe you compared Henry Ford to today's manufacturers.

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Re: Game changer if implemented
« Reply #42 on: July 10, 2025, 08:13:46 AM »
That’s not socialism. The same way an SBA loan isn’t socialism. While you’re at it, might want to take some time to educate yourself. It’s a very good read.

a loan from the government that would otherwise not be available from commercial lenders is a subsidy
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Re: Game changer if implemented - Communist Control Act of 1954
« Reply #43 on: July 10, 2025, 08:29:40 AM »
Exactly.  Because on paper, SS and Medicare are not paying for socialist programs.  They are designed to benefit the people paying into the system.  (people dying before collecting aside for the moment)


I’m not sure what you’re saying.

The money is coming from the people, the tax is paying for the program. You think because some people die before they are able to collect the system is a fraud? Some people live longer and collect much more from the programs than they paid into it.

The point I am making is that Social Security and Medicare by design are not taking money from people to pay for roads and such.  They are designed to be used by and for the people paying into the system.

We agree here. I don’t think anyone believes the these taxes are used to fund roads or government construction projects or snap benefits.

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Re: Game changer if implemented
« Reply #44 on: July 10, 2025, 09:32:17 AM »
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You obviously do not understand the difference between subsidies and loans.  Which is not a surprise at all.

Why do you have to play this dumbass game that all liberals do - pretend you are the smartest person in the room just to denigrate someone you don't agree with?

I enjoy your travel and gym posts - very entertaining. You don't need to do this patronizing shit.

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Re: Game changer if implemented
« Reply #45 on: July 10, 2025, 10:12:44 AM »
Why do you have to play this dumbass game that all liberals do - pretend you are the smartest person in the room just to denigrate someone you don't agree with?

I enjoy your travel and gym posts - very entertaining. You don't need to do this patronizing shit.

Pointing out the obvious which shouldn't be painful.  Don't get butt hurt.

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Re: Game changer if implemented - Communist Control Act of 1954
« Reply #46 on: July 10, 2025, 10:15:25 AM »

I’m not sure what you’re saying.

The money is coming from the people, the tax is paying for the program. You think because some people die before they are able to collect the system is a fraud? Some people live longer and collect much more from the programs than they paid into it.

We agree here. I don’t think anyone believes the these taxes are used to fund roads or government construction projects or snap benefits.

No.  I am saying that to point out that my prior claim of SS and Medicare based on more of a Ponzi scheme structure than a socialism one.  Some people pay in and get nothing in return (they die early), some people pay in and get more in return (exceeding life time vs return amount).  But in neither case can these programs be viewed as socialism.

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Re: Game changer if implemented
« Reply #47 on: July 10, 2025, 10:16:51 AM »
I absolutely do. Tesla was a $465 million loan from the Department of Energy vehicles and manufacturing that was paid back in full. Space X works on Government contracts that doesn't need to be paid back because the funds are for delivered services. Both have some subsidies. Tesla with tax credits and grants (like every electric car manufacturer).

You absolutely don't. 

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Re: Game changer if implemented - Communist Control Act of 1954
« Reply #48 on: July 10, 2025, 12:11:01 PM »
No.  I am saying that to point out that my prior claim of SS and Medicare based on more of a Ponzi scheme structure than a socialism one.  Some people pay in and get nothing in return (they die early), some people pay in and get more in return (exceeding life time vs return amount).  But in neither case can these programs be viewed as socialism.

We will agree to disagree on social security.

But someone needs to get the conservatives to stop influencing googles AI:

Yes, Social Security is considered a form of socialism because it is a government-run program that provides financial support to individuals, particularly retirees, funded through taxes. It represents government intervention in the economy to ensure a basic standard of living for citizens. hoover.org atlassociety.org

Medicaid can be considered a form of socialism because it is a government-run program that provides health care to low-income individuals, funded by taxpayer dollars. However, it differs from pure socialism as it allows for private healthcare providers to operate alongside the program.

Medicare is not considered socialism; it is a publicly funded health insurance program that provides coverage for seniors and certain disabled individuals in the U.S. While it involves government funding, it does not operate hospitals or employ healthcare workers, which are characteristics of socialized medicine



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Re: Game changer if implemented
« Reply #49 on: Today at 03:36:45 AM »
Why do you have to play this dumbass game that all liberals do - pretend you are the smartest person in the room just to denigrate someone you don't agree with?

I enjoy your travel and gym posts - very entertaining. You don't need to do this patronizing shit.

You gonna cry or something?  I thought liberals were the sensitive snowflakes, but MajorDomo is over here weeping all over some posts.  Embarrassing.