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Re: This guy is on 2 grams of gear/week !!
« Reply #50 on: August 10, 2025, 08:52:23 AM »
750 test 600 eq/deca 6-8 ius growth

If that don't make you a pro nothing will

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Re: This guy is on 2 grams of gear/week !!
« Reply #51 on: August 10, 2025, 09:46:59 AM »
I don't know when he started, but I think he was a football player and you know how things were in the 80s... all I'm saying is that the young body seems to be more sensitive to anabolics. That's why I half-jokingly said I wished I had done some PEDs at 8. Some studies have show that some kids treated with say Anavar at that age didn't seem to suffer  long term sides. Some PEDs, even steroids, could actually increase adult height.

It's risky for sure. But done "right" (what right is can be debated) I think it could be advantageous. And like joswift and myself have said, bodybuilders have stayed on semi-permanently, and the numbers of champs starting as teens is too long to list, as you know. IMHO arguing that twst levels are already sky high as teens if a pretty poor argument for abstaining. Sensitivity to external hormones is also sky high 8)

Do you feel you came to harm because you were prescribed at a very young age, do you regret it?

You're 100% spot-on, if you wanna get to a certain level, every year counts and every month natty is a month wasted.

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Re: This guy is on 2 grams of gear/week !!
« Reply #52 on: August 10, 2025, 09:58:20 AM »
750 test 600 eq/deca 6-8 ius growth

If that don't make you a pro nothing will

how do you actually know this?

how many pros do you know?

have you ever taken this?

have you coached anyone to?


the answers are all 'I have no idea'
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Re: This guy is on 2 grams of gear/week !!
« Reply #53 on: August 10, 2025, 10:10:37 AM »
how do you actually know this?

how many pros do you know?

have you ever taken this?

have you coached anyone to?


the answers are all 'I have no idea'

1. All guys on Tom platz hidden secrets of the pros basically took this stack... Coleman, Newman, Baker, Paul dillet,  cormeir

2. Don't know any pros, but 5 or 6 pros on YouTube have claimed very similar cycles, big Paul, coach Joe little, Martin fritzwater

3. I've taken more I have ZERO SIZE genetics strength genetics well that a completely diff story

4. Have not coached anyone yet


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Re: This guy is on 2 grams of gear/week !!
« Reply #54 on: August 11, 2025, 12:27:49 PM »
I don't know when he started, but I think he was a football player and you know how things were in the 80s... all I'm saying is that the young body seems to be more sensitive to anabolics. That's why I half-jokingly said I wished I had done some PEDs at 8. Some studies have show that some kids treated with say Anavar at that age didn't seem to suffer  long term sides. Some PEDs, even steroids, could actually increase adult height.

It's risky for sure. But done "right" (what right is can be debated) I think it could be advantageous. And like joswift and myself have said, bodybuilders have stayed on semi-permanently, and the numbers of champs starting as teens is too long to list, as you know. IMHO arguing that twst levels are already sky high as teens if a pretty poor argument for abstaining. Sensitivity to external hormones is also sky high 8)

Do you feel you came to harm because you were prescribed at a very young age, do you regret it?

I think If knew back then what I know now I would have probably done things a bit different. back then I was under the care of a well known doctor (Robert Kerr). I would have to go in office each week for the shot, Deca and If I remember correctly once a month for my refills which were the CIBA 5mg Dianabol and/or 2.5mg Anavar. I remember EVER taking more than what he prescribed simply because I was scared which led me later on in life to take as little as I could get away with for a show. I can't remember when I started adding in any type of test into the mix, Kerr never prescribed at least with me but I think it was probably in my mid-20's or so. Just a note that EVERYTHING back then was the real deal.

Kids today, because of the internet and social media aren't afraid and don't think of consequences. GH, insulin, test, tren, etc. They don't think and I don't hear many warnings given nor would they probably listen anyway.

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Re: This guy is on 2 grams of gear/week !!
« Reply #55 on: August 11, 2025, 02:04:58 PM »
I think If knew back then what I know now I would have probably done things a bit different. back then I was under the care of a well known doctor (Robert Kerr). I would have to go in office each week for the shot, Deca and If I remember correctly once a month for my refills which were the CIBA 5mg Dianabol and/or 2.5mg Anavar. I remember EVER taking more than what he prescribed simply because I was scared which led me later on in life to take as little as I could get away with for a show. I can't remember when I started adding in any type of test into the mix, Kerr never prescribed at least with me but I think it was probably in my mid-20's or so. Just a note that EVERYTHING back then was the real deal.

Kids today, because of the internet and social media aren't afraid and don't think of consequences. GH, insulin, test, tren, etc. They don't think and I don't hear many warnings given nor would they probably listen anyway.

I hear you. Kids get on anabolics after just looking at tiktoks. And kids are hard headed. At the same time, I'm amazed at how "smart" some kids are wrt PEDs if they listen to a lot of long youtubes and so on. They "know" more technicalities than most juicers who have been on for 40 years. I see this with my nephew and he's never juiced and doesn't wantt to currently, he's 21. But the personal experience isn't there obviously.

Regarding things like insulin and GH. Older lifters think these are more "advanced" than anabolics, but if you think about it, why are they more advanced that anabolics? AAS, except test, aren't "natural" to the body, insulin and GH are. For example, you have to, or should, eat maybe 4-5K calories to grow rapidly if starting  from a low bodyfat. Adding just a little long acting Lantus, at say 10iu, could help utilize those carbs and calories, remove some stress form the pancreas, and increase IGF-1. Lantus iis released over 24 hours so calculate how "little" is released each hour. Zero risk wrt to hypoglycemia. You could also add the Type II diabetic med Metformin at night to increase insulin sensitivity, you know how important that is for both health and growth. The natural herb berberine would work almost identically to Metformin. And you know how easy it is to get too fat when "eating big." Those fat cells you form are never going away, they can only shrink temporarily. That's where the GH would come in, preventing that. It would also further potentiate the testosterone's anabolic effect, and GH is well tolerated as a youth because it's been very high a few years earlier especially. Also, with what we know, you'd also want to take measures to control your BP, high BP can make the heart grow as you know. Controlling that from the start should logically extend lifespan at the other end of your life. Older juicers always instinctively think taking a BP med as a teen or young adult is "crazy" to do, but isn't at all if you think about it, at least isn't to me. So I would get on a very small amount from the start, then maybe titrate up, IF necessary depending on BP. Telmisartan has been shown to prevent bad remodeling of the heart and also protects the kidneys.

Do you at all see where I'm coming from? I have some hypertrophy of the left ventricle, like all athletes have, but especially PED users where it becomes pathological and dangerous. If I had know about, and implemented, some of these steps mayb I wouldn't have that right now. I had severe heart failure when I had covid and on a ventilator and the docs attributed that partly to the anabolics. Luckily it improved a lot afterwards, a year ago I was just under normal EF, I had I think 50 EF. Just took new scans so waiting on those 8) If I had done more aggressive anabolics, of less dangerous anabolics, and had incorporated GH, the outcome would most likely have been way better and I wouldn't have wasted time on suboptimal, half-assed cycles 8)

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Re: This guy is on 2 grams of gear/week !!
« Reply #56 on: August 11, 2025, 02:29:09 PM »
750 test 600 eq/deca 6-8 ius growth

If that don't make you a pro nothing will

Whatever the truth of that is, that is not what the absolute majority do. Amateurs are doing on average, 3-4 grams and everyone's been on insulin for years by the time they are chasing the card at nationals or World Champs or whatever it may be. Same with GH and now with the prices having dropped some of these top amateurs are sometimes taking 40-50iu of GH. The standard otherwise is a bottle morning and night, 10iu each. My buddy who I posted pics of posing with Hadi didn't take anywhere near that, but only because he used pharma Genos and they are crazy expensive. My dealer stopped his amateur "career" because of what he heard from top amas around Europe, and even the US, especially wrt to the GH. His prep cycle for an amateur show had 2.5 grams of just testosterone, he was doing what other competitors and pros were telling him. I know a lot of bodybuilders, top amateurs and a few pros, and they often even ask for my opinions, so I "know" what they do, I've injected some of them and so on.

What the name of that youtube goofer, a big ass amateur bb? He acts the fool all the time for clicks. Anyway, he mentioned where he peaked at dosage wise when he was at his biggest at 320lbs (so he claimed).

It was:

3700mg testosterone
1400mg Tren
1400mg of Mast
300mg daily of Anadrol
20mg Halotestin daily
100mg of Anavar daily
100mg Winstrol daily

With all "the usual clen, GH, insulin, and other ancillaries."

Said the roid total was 10.5 grams a week. Know-nothings in the comments said it was all bunk, just olive oil, no one could take that amount, that he could have had the same results with Tren, Mast, Test at 300mg each weekly, 900mg total, he was at 1.5 grams a day. They were all skinny kids of course ;D

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Re: This guy is on 2 grams of gear/week !!
« Reply #57 on: August 11, 2025, 02:59:48 PM »
Whatever the truth of that is, that is not what the absolute majority do. Amateurs are doing on average, 3-4 grams and everyone's been on insulin for years by the time they are chasing the card at nationals or World Champs or whatever it may be. Same with GH and now with the prices having dropped some of these top amateurs are sometimes taking 40-50iu of GH. The standard otherwise is a bottle morning and night, 10iu each. My buddy who I posted pics of posing with Hadi didn't take anywhere near that, but only because he used pharma Genos and they are crazy expensive. My dealer stopped his amateur "career" because of what he heard from top amas around Europe, and even the US, especially wrt to the GH. His prep cycle for an amateur show had 2.5 grams of just testosterone, he was doing what other competitors and pros were telling him. I know a lot of bodybuilders, top amateurs and a few pros, and they often even ask for my opinions, so I "know" what they do, I've injected some of them and so on.

What the name of that youtube goofer, a big ass amateur bb? He acts the fool all the time for clicks. Anyway, he mentioned where he peaked at dosage wise when he was at his biggest at 320lbs (so he claimed).

It was:

3700mg testosterone
1400mg Tren
1400mg of Mast
300mg daily of Anadrol
20mg Halotestin daily
100mg of Anavar daily
100mg Winstrol daily

With all "the usual clen, GH, insulin, and other ancillaries."

Said the roid total was 10.5 grams a week. Know-nothings in the comments said it was all bunk, just olive oil, no one could take that amount, that he could have had the same results with Tren, Mast, Test at 300mg each weekly, 900mg total, he was at 1.5 grams a day. They were all skinny kids of course ;D
onetimehard canadian guy who used to post here talked about 2 pros who he knew who didnt even measure what they used , they used to just keep injecting bodyparts until they got too sore to shoot then had a day off