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Re: The direction the US is heading
« Reply #100 on: August 27, 2025, 04:47:06 PM »
No they don't.

Yes they do.

According to you, everyone else, including multitudes of folks with a lot more medical and scientific knowledge and training than you have regarding the efficacy and effectiveness of mask wearing in the reduction in transmission of viruses are wrong. Yeah right. ::)

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2014564118
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8499874
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7902177

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Re: The direction the US is heading
« Reply #101 on: August 27, 2025, 05:50:21 PM »
Yes they do.

According to you, everyone else, including multitudes of folks with a lot more medical and scientific knowledge and training than you have regarding the efficacy and effectiveness of mask wearing in the reduction in transmission of viruses are wrong. Yeah right. ::)

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2014564118
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8499874
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7902177

Wrong.

Right now, what scant evidence exists suggests that the answer is unclear, according to the study published by the Cochrane Library, a collection of medical databases.

The study said that “wearing a mask may make little to no difference in how many people caught a flu‐like illness/COVID‐like illness … and probably makes little or no difference in how many people have flu/COVID confirmed by a laboratory test.”


https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/providers/do-masks-really-protect-against-covid-19-meta-analysis-authors-want-see-more-evidence

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Re: The direction the US is heading
« Reply #102 on: August 27, 2025, 06:54:23 PM »
Wrong.

Right now, what scant evidence exists suggests that the answer is unclear, according to the study published by the Cochrane Library, a collection of medical databases.

The study said that “wearing a mask may make little to no difference in how many people caught a flu‐like illness/COVID‐like illness … and probably makes little or no difference in how many people have flu/COVID confirmed by a laboratory test.”


https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/providers/do-masks-really-protect-against-covid-19-meta-analysis-authors-want-see-more-evidence

There are studies and then there are comprehensive studies. Not all studies are equal. Hence, they produce various and sometimes conflicting results.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10484132

Keep in mind this is about masks reducing and not about them eliminating virus transmissions.


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Re: The direction the US is heading
« Reply #103 on: August 27, 2025, 10:56:40 PM »
There are studies and then there are comprehensive studies. Not all studies are equal. Hence, they produce various and sometimes conflicting results.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10484132

Keep in mind this is about masks reducing and not about them eliminating virus transmissions.

Spot on as usual Prime!

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Re: The direction the US is heading
« Reply #104 on: August 28, 2025, 01:08:06 AM »
Unlike you, l have learned to pick my battles.

Do not tell me what I know. I know that wearing a mask is not useless. When worn correctly, masks effectively reduce the transmission of respiratory viruses.

You choose the wrong battle - hence why you ran away from it.
You clearly know very little other than what Google tells you.

wearing the thin paper face nappies does fuck all to stop a minute virus.
Google the size of the virus particle & the size of the holes in the
face nappy.

They do not wear them in Bio labs like wuhan where the virus came
from - they wear full on protective suit & helmets Not some Fucking
ridiculous paper Fucking face Nappy.  ::)

Only in your daft demented world.
you don't see firemen / Asbestos / Army gas masks etc
wearing those Oh so protective paper face nappies NO they
wear purpose made Masks.

FUCK OFF with your STUPIDITY.


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Re: The direction the US is heading
« Reply #105 on: August 28, 2025, 02:40:02 AM »
I didn't say everything is black and white.  Some things are black and white.  Some are gray.  Whether January 6 was an insurrection is in fact black and white.  It's just a political talking point.  And OJ is not a good analogy.  He was obviously guilty as sin, but he was actually charged with murder.  A better analogy would be over 1600 people who you think are murderers, but are never actually charged with murder. 

Regarding Covid, I posted a graphic showing how the definition changed. 

No it's not possible that people were not lying.  They absolutely lied to us.  You had people from Biden to the CDC Director saying the vaccine prevented people from getting or transmitting the virus.  They knew that was not true.  They told us six feet of social distancing was based on science, when they knew that was not true.  They told us cloth masks work, which they knew was not true.  They told us the virus was not created in a lab when they knew that was no true.  There are many others.  Just a comedy of errors and outright lies to the public. 

What I expect is for people in positions of power to follow the science.  They did not.  And I don't think people are dumb.  That's pretty arrogant.

So you are suggesting that it wasn't an insurrection because they didn't get charged with insurrection? It's clearly not black and white, if there is not enough evidence, or they feel they cannot convince a jury or if they feel that a lesser charge will secure a conviction thats the play, that doesn't negate what actually happened.

The OJ example is fine, according to your logic when you are charged with something or conversely not charged with something that alone dictates the veracity of event at hand.

What do you think they were doing? why did all those folks storm the capital over the transfer of power? happenstance? coincidence?


I agree the thing was potentially handled poorly, I do think that when it comes to public safety certain lies are fine. I do not think the general public is very educated scientifically tbh and the dunning kruger is often extreme in most folks when it comes to health information as they can google stuff now. For example you just claimed that masks don't work and cited a cochrane review (the best ftr) but obviously didn't read the paper or else you wouldn't have made that claim.




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Re: The direction the US is heading
« Reply #106 on: August 28, 2025, 07:29:42 AM »


What do you think they were doing? why did all those folks storm the capital over the transfer of power? happenstance? coincidence?


It was a mix.

Some where there just to be there and watch.

A lot were there to protest.  Regardless of one's views on election results, fraud, etc......the optics of this were horrible - the stopping of counting, the states Trump was leading ALL turning Biden overnight, etc.....It's easy to see why folks felt wronged.

Some were true believers, and believed they could stop the election.  These people are idiots.

Some were liberals pretending to be conservatives and stirring the pot.

Some were agent provocateurs....

I agree with you it was handled poorly.  And I will freely admit this topic is one I have not paid to much attention to, because I felt, on the most part, it was folks blowing off steam.  I also feel, for the most part, it was dumb and wish it did not happen.  But I don't think it was an insurrection, outside of maybe a few dipshits who really thought they were doing it.




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Re: The direction the US is heading
« Reply #107 on: August 28, 2025, 08:52:44 AM »
Spot on as usual Prime!
You're horrible! ;D
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!

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Re: The direction the US is heading
« Reply #108 on: August 28, 2025, 08:56:29 AM »
So you are suggesting that it wasn't an insurrection because they didn't get charged with insurrection?
There was no insurrection, no matter what your leftist media tells you. There was no attempt to overthrow the government, it was a protest that got carried away, not to the scale of all of your antifa/blm riots, but it was just a protest. Unfortunately, people like you fed into the insurrection bullshit and have latched onto it.
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!

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Re: The direction the US is heading
« Reply #109 on: August 28, 2025, 11:55:11 AM »
You choose the wrong battle - hence why you ran away from it.
You clearly know very little other than what Google tells you.

wearing the thin paper face nappies does fuck all to stop a minute virus.
Google the size of the virus particle & the size of the holes in the
face nappy.

They do not wear them in Bio labs like wuhan where the virus came
from - they wear full on protective suit & helmets Not some Fucking
ridiculous paper Fucking face Nappy.  ::)

Only in your daft demented world.
you don't see firemen / Asbestos / Army gas masks etc
wearing those Oh so protective paper face nappies NO they
wear purpose made Masks.


FUCK OFF with your STUPIDITY.

FYI, these folks do not wear N95 masks now because in April 2022, mask mandates were lifted in all U.S. states.

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Re: The direction the US is heading
« Reply #110 on: August 28, 2025, 01:50:37 PM »
There are studies and then there are comprehensive studies. Not all studies are equal. Hence, they produce various and sometimes conflicting results.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10484132

Keep in mind this is about masks reducing and not about them eliminating virus transmissions.

There are studies and comprehensive studies, and then there is Cochrane, which reviews and summarizes them.     

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Re: The direction the US is heading
« Reply #111 on: August 28, 2025, 01:59:39 PM »
FYI, these folks do not wear N-95 masks now because in April 2022, mask mandates were lifted in all U.S. states.

Yet again you've done your favourite trick & deflected from paper face Nappies
To N- 95 masks & you're showing your stupidity again the jobs I mentioned Wouldn't
Be wearing N-95 masks back then or now.


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Re: The direction the US is heading
« Reply #112 on: August 28, 2025, 02:02:19 PM »
So you are suggesting that it wasn't an insurrection because they didn't get charged with insurrection? It's clearly not black and white, if there is not enough evidence, or they feel they cannot convince a jury or if they feel that a lesser charge will secure a conviction thats the play, that doesn't negate what actually happened.

The OJ example is fine, according to your logic when you are charged with something or conversely not charged with something that alone dictates the veracity of event at hand.

What do you think they were doing? why did all those folks storm the capital over the transfer of power? happenstance? coincidence?


I agree the thing was potentially handled poorly, I do think that when it comes to public safety certain lies are fine. I do not think the general public is very educated scientifically tbh and the dunning kruger is often extreme in most folks when it comes to health information as they can google stuff now. For example you just claimed that masks don't work and cited a cochrane review (the best ftr) but obviously didn't read the paper or else you wouldn't have made that claim.

I'm saying three things:  (1) there was no evidence of an insurrection, (2) it's a really silly contention, and (3) the fact no one was charged with insurrection further confirms there was no insurrection.  If there was actual evidence of a "rebellion or insurrection" people would have been charged with violating this provision:  https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2383

But if you want to believe that someone with a hockey stick was trying overthrow the U.S. government and its military, then more power to you.

No, I never said charges alone dictate whether or not someone actually committed a crime.  The facts dictate whether or not they committed a crime.  OJ clearly committed murder and was charged.  Hillary Clinton unquestionably broke the law by running classified intel on a private server, but was never charged. 

There were a handful of idiots trying to stop the certification on January 6.  They delayed it about a couple hours.  That is not an insurrection. 

The pandemic was "potentially" handled poorly??  Seriously?  In addition to the other things I mentioned, we instituted lockdowns after the virus was out in the community.  We put people out of business.  We ruined the development of thousands of kids.  FUBAR.   

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Re: The direction the US is heading
« Reply #113 on: August 28, 2025, 02:05:05 PM »
I'm saying three things:  (1) there was no evidence of an insurrection, (2) it's a really silly contention, and (3) the fact no one was charged with insurrection further confirms there was no insurrection.  If there was actual evidence of a "rebellion or insurrection" people would have been charged with violating this provision:  https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2383

But if you want to believe that someone with a hockey stick was trying overthrow the U.S. government and its military, then more power to you.

No, I never said charges alone dictate whether or not someone actually committed a crime.  The facts dictate whether or not they committed a crime.  OJ clearly committed murder and was charged.  Hillary Clinton unquestionably broke the law by running classified intel on a private server, but was never charged. 

There were a handful of idiots trying to stop the certification on January 6.  They delayed it about a couple hours.  That is not an insurrection. 

The pandemic was "potentially" handled poorly??  Seriously?  In addition to the other things I mentioned, we instituted lockdowns after the virus was out in the community.  We put people out of business.  We ruined the development of thousands of kids.  FUBAR.


Far to many folk just cannot handle/take on board Truth & Facts.
They'll argue black is white & vice versa.

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Re: The direction the US is heading
« Reply #114 on: August 28, 2025, 02:31:38 PM »

I do think that when it comes to public safety certain lies are fine.

For example?

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« Reply #115 on: August 28, 2025, 02:32:14 PM »

Far to many folk just cannot handle/take on board Truth & Facts.
They'll argue black is white & vice versa.

Ideology over facts.

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Re: The direction the US is heading
« Reply #116 on: August 28, 2025, 02:35:34 PM »
ideology Leftist brain madness over facts.

Corrected for you 😊

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Re: The direction the US is heading
« Reply #117 on: August 28, 2025, 05:42:36 PM »
Yet again you've done your favourite trick & deflected from paper face Nappies
To N- 95 masks & you're showing your stupidity again the jobs I mentioned Wouldn't
Be wearing N-95 masks back then or now.

What firefighters or asbestos workers wear for protection while performing specific jobs has nothing to do with what they would have worn during the COVID pandemic while they were shopping or in other public situations. Once again you are citing something that is completely irrelevant. Irrelevance and stupidity are your specialties.

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Re: The direction the US is heading
« Reply #118 on: August 28, 2025, 05:51:54 PM »
What firefighters or asbestos workers wear for protection while performing specific jobs has nothing to do with what they would have worn during the COVID pandemic while they were shopping or in other public situations. Once again you are citing something that is completely irrelevant. Irrelevance and stupidity are your specialties.

Try not to be a twat all your life - You very clearly knew I wasn't talking about them
In everyday life.


You are yet again acting the fool & trying to change the goal posts & deflecting.

They most certainly did not & do not the crappy face coverings that we're all on about
Try & keep up & on topic without your very tiring & silly shenanigans.

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Re: The direction the US is heading
« Reply #119 on: August 31, 2025, 04:59:22 AM »
Looking pretty rough out there. Alienation on the world stage, allies hating your guts, job loss, rising inflation according to yesterday's data (thats before the big surge that tariffs will induce), gerrymandering, self promotion (selling hats, rug pulling a crypto coin), firing people who do not give him the information he doesn't like. record debt on his watch, the guy is responsible for like 28% of all debt now...

What rational person thinks any of this is good?

I believe many of Trump's policies have long term benefits. For instance, I support his push to have Europe take greater responsibility for its defense against Russia. Americans shouldn't bear the primary burden of protecting Europe. That should be Europe's role. Trump's efforts to ensure they contribute their fair share make sense to me.

Job losses and inflation are serious concerns, but I'm not convinced Trump is directly responsible for them. Inflation, in my view, has been underreported since at least the COVID era, a trend that predates his administration.

Gerrymandering is another longstanding issue in US politics, far predating Trump. I think his open calls for it are distasteful. But Democrats have also engaged in it, often under the pretext of addressing under-representation. A quick look at congressional maps from the 1990s reveals awkwardly drawn districts designed to secure Black majorities and guarantee Democratic seats. Both sides have played this game for decades.

Trump's self-promotion is tacky and beneath the dignity of the presidency. However, voters knew exactly who he was, especially in his second term. They weighed his behavior against the alternative and made their choice.

IMO the national debt is the most pressing issue facing America today. Persistent inflation, excessive money printing, and the devaluation of the dollar will cause significant harm in the future. This isn't solely Trump's fault. Both parties share the blame for this crisis.

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« Reply #120 on: August 31, 2025, 05:29:53 AM »
The Globalists hate Trump.

Trump kicking so much ass it drives them batty as they see their corrupt agenda going down in flames.

U.S. crushing the World. 

No wonder Necrosis (who lives in formerly great and now retarded Canada) keeps posting his nonsense.


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Re: The direction the US is heading
« Reply #121 on: August 31, 2025, 06:42:21 AM »
I believe many of Trump's policies have long term benefits. For instance, I support his push to have Europe take greater responsibility for its defense against Russia. Americans shouldn't bear the primary burden of protecting Europe. That should be Europe's role. Trump's efforts to ensure they contribute their fair share make sense to me.

Job losses and inflation are serious concerns, but I'm not convinced Trump is directly responsible for them. Inflation, in my view, has been underreported since at least the COVID era, a trend that predates his administration.

Gerrymandering is another longstanding issue in US politics, far predating Trump. I think his open calls for it are distasteful. But Democrats have also engaged in it, often under the pretext of addressing under-representation. A quick look at congressional maps from the 1990s reveals awkwardly drawn districts designed to secure Black majorities and guarantee Democratic seats. Both sides have played this game for decades.

Trump's self-promotion is tacky and beneath the dignity of the presidency. However, voters knew exactly who he was, especially in his second term. They weighed his behavior against the alternative and made their choice.

IMO the national debt is the most pressing issue facing America today. Persistent inflation, excessive money printing, and the devaluation of the dollar will cause significant harm in the future. This isn't solely Trump's fault. Both parties share the blame for this crisis.

I believe many of Trump's policies have long term benefits. For instance, I support his push to have Europe take greater responsibility for its defense against Russia. Americans shouldn't bear the primary burden of protecting Europe. That should be Europe's role. Trump's efforts to ensure they contribute their fair share make sense to me.

-- Agreed, however, there have been benefits to the US being the worlds police, namely soft power, military positioning etc.. it hasnt been freeloading as its been stated. Overall, I would agree with that.

Job losses and inflation are serious concerns, but I'm not convinced Trump is directly responsible for them. Inflation, in my view, has been underreported since at least the COVID era, a trend that predates his administration.

--- inflation started from covid, the world over. Recent trends are do to trumps policies, namely tariffs which are inherently inflationary.

Gerrymandering is another longstanding issue in US politics, far predating Trump. I think his open calls for it are distasteful. But Democrats have also engaged in it, often under the pretext of addressing under-representation. A quick look at congressional maps from the 1990s reveals awkwardly drawn districts designed to secure Black majorities and guarantee Democratic seats. Both sides have played this game for decades.

-0-- one party voted to stop it completely, the other against. Trump recently is asking for 5 seats and feels entitled to them its flat out undemocratic and a power grab.

Trump's self-promotion is tacky and beneath the dignity of the presidency. However, voters knew exactly who he was, especially in his second term. They weighed his behavior against the alternative and made their choice.

-- its more than self promotion, he is grifting out in the open. His coin and melanias were clear examples and anyone with a brain knew the rug pull was coming. it also opens him up to being able to be manipulated and bribed. He is selling hats whilst president, its unethical.

IMO the national debt is the most pressing issue facing America today. Persistent inflation, excessive money printing, and the devaluation of the dollar will cause significant harm in the future. This isn't solely Trump's fault. Both parties share the blame for this crisis.

--- agreed, that is obvious. However, trumps recent run has caused some red flags amongst economic indicators.

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Re: The direction the US is heading
« Reply #122 on: August 31, 2025, 06:44:59 AM »
The Globalists hate Trump.

Trump kicking so much ass it drives them batty as they see their corrupt agenda going down in flames.

U.S. crushing the World. 

No wonder Necrosis (who lives in formerly great and now retarded Canada) keeps posting his nonsense.



Trump is a moron, you realize this right? listen to him speak ffs. He obviously doesn't understand basic math (going to reduce drugs by 1500%!!!!) and is a manchild.

You can support his ideas and right leaning ideas but to support him is silly. He is running the presidency like a reality show.

Canada isn't retarded!!!

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« Reply #123 on: August 31, 2025, 07:52:08 AM »


And Clearly you are an Intellectual genius - why don't you
stand for election & run America as you know how to correct
all the problems & know what the best policies are for the
now & the future.

And to think we have a future best POTUS ever here on
Getbig.

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« Reply #124 on: August 31, 2025, 08:03:09 AM »
And Clearly you are an Intellectual genius - why don't you
stand for election & run America as you know how to correct
all the problems & know what the best policies are for the
now & the future.

And to think we have a future best POTUS ever here on
Getbig.

 ::)

It's weird that you keep getting upset when I point out how dumb trump is and how america is turning into an idiocracy. Trump being dumb doesn't make me a genius. If mutandis mutatis willing you could pull your head out of trumps ass and think for yourself.