The direction the US is heading

[Necrosis]

Then you know the study done with doctors and dentists. If that's the case what are you questioning? There was evidence that the "vaccine" wasn't effective and it had negative side effects. What exactly are you trying so pathetically to argue here? Or is this like your windmill studies that you were going to teach us all about?


PoST tHe StuDiEs.

You made the claim in the windmill thread, I challenged you to back up your claims, you fled in fear.

What is the PMID of the study you think is so damning? There have been a boatload of studies done on both those populations

COVID-19 vaccines are effective at preventing symptomatic and severe infection among healthcare workers: A clinical review
Oliver Galgut a,b,c,⁎, Fiona Ashford a, Alexandra Deeks c, Andeep Ghataure d, Mimia Islam d, Tanvir Sambhi d, Yiu Wayn Ker d, Christopher JA Duncan e,f, Thushan I de Silva g,h, Susan Hopkins i,j, Victoria Hall i,k, Paul Klenerman c,l, Susanna Dunachie c,m,n, Alex Richter a,b
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PMCID: PMC11364133  PMID: 39221179
Abstract
Introduction
Health care workers (HCWs) have been at increased risk of infection during the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic and as essential workers have been prioritised for vaccination. Due to increased exposure HCW are considered a predictor of what might happen in the general population, particularly working age adults. This study aims to summarise effect of vaccination in this ‘at risk’ cohort.

Methods
Ovid MEDLINE and Embase were searched, and 358 individual articles were identified. Of these 49 met the inclusion criteria for review and 14 were included in a meta-analysis.

Results
Participants included were predominantly female and working age. Median time to infection was 51 days. Reported vaccine effectiveness against infection, symptomatic infection, and infection requiring hospitalisation were between 5 and 100 %, 34 and 100 %, and 65 and 100 % (respectively). No vaccinated HCW deaths were recorded in any study. Pooled estimates of protection against infection, symptomatic infection, and hospitalisation were, respectively, 84.7 % (95 % CI 72.6–91.5 %, p < 0.0001), 86.0 % (95 % CI 67.2 %-94.0 %; p < 0.0001), and 96.1 % (95 % CI 90.4 %-98.4 %). Waning protection against infection was reported by four studies, although protection against hospitalisation for severe infection persists for at least 6 months post vaccination.

Conclusions
Vaccination against SARS-CoV2 in HCWs is protective against infection, symptomatic infection, and hospitalisation. Waning protection is reported but this awaits more mature studies to understand durability more clearly. This study is limited by varying non-pharmacological responses to COVID-19 between included studies, a predominantly female and working age population, and limited information on asymptomatic transmission or long COVID protection.

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Effectiveness of mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine among U.S. Health Care Personnel
Authors: Tamara Pilishvili, Ph.D., M.P.H., Ryan Gierke, M.P.H., Katherine E. Fleming-Dutra, M.D., Jennifer L. Farrar, M.P.H., Nicholas M. Mohr, M.D., David A. Talan, M.D., Anusha Krishnadasan, Ph.D., +38 , for the Vaccine Effectiveness among Healthcare Personnel Study Team*Author Info & Affiliations
Published September 22, 2021
N Engl J Med 2021;385: e90
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Background
The prioritization of U.S. health care personnel for early receipt of messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccines against severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), the virus that causes coronavirus disease 2019 (Covid-19), allowed for the evaluation of the effectiveness of these new vaccines in a real-world setting.
Methods
We conducted a test-negative case–control study involving health care personnel across 25 U.S. states. Cases were defined on the basis of a positive polymerase-chain-reaction (PCR) or antigen-based test for SARS-CoV-2 and at least one Covid-19–like symptom. Controls were defined on the basis of a negative PCR test for SARS-CoV-2, regardless of symptoms, and were matched to cases according to the week of the test date and site. Using conditional logistic regression with adjustment for age, race and ethnic group, underlying conditions, and exposures to persons with Covid-19, we estimated vaccine effectiveness for partial vaccination (assessed 14 days after receipt of the first dose through 6 days after receipt of the second dose) and complete vaccination (assessed ≥7 days after receipt of the second dose).

Research Summary
Effectiveness of mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine among U.S. Health Care Personnel
Results
The study included 1482 case participants and 3449 control participants. Vaccine effectiveness for partial vaccination was 77.6% (95% confidence interval [CI], 70.9 to 82.7) with the BNT162b2 vaccine (Pfizer–BioNTech) and 88.9% (95% CI, 78.7 to 94.2) with the mRNA-1273 vaccine (Moderna); for complete vaccination, vaccine effectiveness was 88.8% (95% CI, 84.6 to 91. and 96.3% (95% CI, 91.3 to 98.4), respectively. Vaccine effectiveness was similar in subgroups defined according to age (<50 years or ≥50 years), race and ethnic group, presence of underlying conditions, and level of patient contact. Estimates of vaccine effectiveness were lower during weeks 9 through 14 than during weeks 3 through 8 after receipt of the second dose, but confidence intervals overlapped widely.
Conclusions
The BNT162b2 and mRNA-1273 vaccines were highly effective under real-world conditions in preventing symptomatic Covid-19 in health care personnel, including those at risk for severe Covid-19 and those in racial and ethnic groups that have been disproportionately affected by the pandemic. (Funded by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.)


Prove your point lil guy. The vaccines were effective and safe.


A meta analysis- second only to the cochrane review in medicine

Meta-Analysis Rev Med Virol
. 2024 Jan;34(1):e2507. doi: 10.1002/rmv.2507.
Safety and efficacy of COVID-19 vaccines: A systematic review and meta-analysis of controlled and randomized clinical trials
Jayesh Beladiya 1, Anup Kumar 1, Yogesh Vasava 1, Krupanshu Parmar 1, Dipanshi Patel 1, Sandip Patel 1, Sandip Dholakia 2, Devang Sheth 1, Sai H S Boddu 3 4, Chirag Patel 1
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Abstract
Vaccines against coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) have been discovered within a very small duration of time as compared to the traditional way for the development of vaccines, which raised the question about the safety and efficacy of the approved vaccines. The purpose of this study is to look at the effectiveness and safety of vaccine platforms against the incidence of COVID-19. The literature search was performed on PubMed/Medline, Cochrane, and clinical trials.gov databases for studies published between 1 January 2020 and 19 February 2022. Preferred Reporting Items for Systemic Review and Meta-Analysis Statement guidelines were followed. Among 284 articles received by keywords, a total of 11 studies were eligible according to the inclusion and exclusion criteria (studies in special populations, e.g., pregnant women, paediatric patients, editorials, case reports, review articles, preclinical and in vitro studies) of the study. A total of 247,186 participants were considered for randomisation at baseline, among them, 129,572 (52.42%) were provided with vaccine (Intervention group) and 117,614 (47.58%) with the placebo (Control group). A pooled fold change estimation of 0.19 (95% CI: 0.12-0.31, p < 0.0001) showed significant protection against the incidence of COVID-19 in the vaccines received group versus the placebo group. mRNA based, inactivated vaccines and non-replicating viral vector-based vaccines showed significantly protection against the incidence of COVID-19 compared to placebo with pooled fold change estimation was 0.08 (95% CI: 0.06-0.10), 0.20 (95% CI: 0.14-0.29) and 0.36 (95% CI: 0.28-0.46), respectively. Injection site discomfort and fatigue were the most common side effect observed in mRNA, non-replicating viral vector, inactivated, and protein subunit-based vaccines. All the approved vaccines were found safe and efficacious but mRNA-based vaccines were found to be more efficacious against SARS-CoV-2 than other platforms.


If you are not familiar with stats I can break that down further for you. Send over the study. I would like to have a look

[Necrosis]

Brain Necrosis why do you mention Fighting ?

Post up your promised Studies - We're waiting.

Cus I am vicious and highly skilled in man to man combats

You were supposed to post the studies. I posted some, your turn. If you don't know how to use pubmed I can help, I am kind like that.

[Coach is Back!]

Are we still talking about fake vaccines? lol

[Necrosis]

Are we still talking about fake vaccines? lol

the whole world was in on it!!

Makes sense! thanks for stopping by

[illuminati]

Cus I am vicious and highly skilled in man to man combats

You were supposed to post the studies. I posted some, your turn. If you don't know how to use pubmed I can help, I am kind like that.

Hmmm good for you in your man on man sex encounters.
If you're trying to scare me you'll have to try an awful lot harder.

No help required. 

[Necrosis]

Hmmm good for you in your man on man sex encounters.
If you're trying to scare me you'll have to try an awful lot harder.

No help required.

Send me a pic of you hitting a most muscular so I know what I am up against.

ty in advance.

[Dos Equis]

If this was “clearly an insurrection” then people (including Trump) would have been charged with insurrection.  The reason they were not charged with insurrection is because prosecutors could have never proved that anyone engaged in insurrection.  The reason they could not prove it is because there is no evidence of an insurrection.  It’s a pretty simple calculation.

-- absolutely not true. I already explained it to you. It's like saying if it was clearly murder why did they charge manslaughter, the difficulty of proving the crime with the evidence obtained factors in. This is called nuance, you seem to think everything is a simple calculation. Trying to prove a discordant mob was planning out an insurrection is difficult, its a insanely hard charge to level period, again this doesn't mean it wasn't. OJ was clearly innocent, after all they couldn't prove he didn't do it! must mean it didnt happen. Life and actuality exceeds or is in excess of what facts/evidence one may have. Things are not black and white.

If it wasn't an attempt to overthrow the government via stopping the transfer of power under the guise of false claims - the claim that the election was stolen was laughed out of courts- what was it? Just a bunch of angry people attacking politicians under the behest of teh former president under the claim that the government stole the election and undercut their will?
 
And it’s easy to call this an “armed” insurrection in broad terms.  But when you start looking at the actual facts, it falls apart.  For example, what kind of weapons are we talking about?  Hockey sticks.  Rocks.  Flag poles.  Bike racks.  So you have to conclude that people with those kinds of “weapons” were trying to overthrow the U.S. government and its military.  You don’t really believe that.

-- the people were armed, the fact that you do not consider those weapons means little. I don't think these people were rational actors, so once you admit that then I think thats exactly what they thought they were doing. They literally thought the election was stolen and stormed the capital thinking it would make a difference. Only an absolute retard would do that, you have to be a low iq moron to do what they did. I think you have to be a low iq moron to believe anything trump says.
 
Also, no one was charged with using a weapon to try and overthrow the government and its military.  Some people had actual weapons on them, but were not charged with using those weapons.

-- people were charged with carrying weapons and having weapons. Again it was a mob, they did not have to use weapons and they breached pretty easily to be fair.
 
A lot of those people were invited into the building.

-- ok
 
The worst offenders on January 6 (and there were definitely some bad actors) delayed the vote certification for a few hours.  Worst insurrection ever.  Lol

-- The outcome doesn't negate the intention. They were retards, the whole lot. They were an angry mob trying to stop the government from stealing the election. They didnt just randomly descend on the capitol for no reason. Proving actus reas and mens culpa on that group (to prove the crime of insurrection) would be nearly impossible- hence the other charges which are easier to prove. You are ignoring that insurrection is incredibly hard to prove, but what you can prove by law is not equal to what happened.
 
Regarding Covid, that entire situation was FUBAR.  I put “vaccine” in quotation marks because it did not fit the typical definition of a vaccine.  Do you recall that the CDC changed the definition in the middle of the pandemic, after they realized we were being lied to about the vaccine stopping the spread of Covid?

-- the situation was fubar. What did they change the definition from- do you have those definitions- Here is where we differ. Is it possible that they weren't lying? or possible that lying was the best option? You are oversimplefying the situation grossly. This is a virus that initially was pretty virulent and they had little to no data on it, how bad it would be what the secondary issues would be etc. they then do their best to combat it but can only vaccinate against the current strains, they have no data (unlike the flu vaccine) to base mutations or variations off of. So the vaccines prove partially effective. Keep in mind this isn't uncommon, even some folks with the vaccine for polio got polio. With modeling the worst case scenario (it also could mutate to be worse) indicates a global pandemic (also keep in mind there is data from other countries here)- they do whatever they can to solve the problem, fucking up all along the way (expected with a complex issue). However, you seem to believe it was a conspiracy the world over? that they purposely lied for nefarious reasons (money, power etc) not to gain what little control they could based on the models at the time (which they use for all diseases) and every country was in on it.

-- What would you expect in a situation like this? the vaccine being perfect regardless of mutation across the world? The general public is dumb, the dunning kruger effect is real, you have folks citing papers showing the vaccine doesn't work when the outcomes in that same paper indicate a worse outcome from the actual virus. Could there have been unsavory motivations, obviously, but scientists, phds etc that I know personally are pretty far removed from the power hungry, capitalist narcs that see the world as all or nothing. I think it sounds like bullshit when someone tries to explain nuance, complexity, stochasticity etc Like when people say they cant even predict the weather!! but they fail to understand chaotic systems, strange attractors and the fact that things simply don't work on binary, law of the excluded middle logic and things can be paraconsistent.

I didn't say everything is black and white.  Some things are black and white.  Some are gray.  Whether January 6 was an insurrection is in fact black and white.  It's just a political talking point.  And OJ is not a good analogy.  He was obviously guilty as sin, but he was actually charged with murder.  A better analogy would be over 1600 people who you think are murderers, but are never actually charged with murder. 

Regarding Covid, I posted a graphic showing how the definition changed. 

No it's not possible that people were not lying.  They absolutely lied to us.  You had people from Biden to the CDC Director saying the vaccine prevented people from getting or transmitting the virus.  They knew that was not true.  They told us six feet of social distancing was based on science, when they knew that was not true.  They told us cloth masks work, which they knew was not true.  They told us the virus was not created in a lab when they knew that was no true.  There are many others.  Just a comedy of errors and outright lies to the public. 

What I expect is for people in positions of power to follow the science.  They did not.  And I don't think people are dumb.  That's pretty arrogant.

[Grape Ape]

Regarding Covid, I posted a graphic showing how the definition changed. 

No it's not possible that people were not lying.  They absolutely lied to us.  You had people from Biden to the CDC Director saying the vaccine prevented people from getting or transmitting the virus.  They knew that was not true.  They told us six feet of social distancing was based on science, when they knew that was not true.  They told us cloth masks work, which they knew was not true.  They told us the virus was not created in a lab when they knew that was no true.  There are many others.  Just a comedy of errors and outright lies to the public. 

What I expect is for people in positions of power to follow the science.  They did not.  And I don't think people are dumb.  That's pretty arrogant.

This is 100% truth.

And the best part is, the libs who post signs that say "follow the science" are really saying "I just believe what the gov't tells me".

[Soul Crusher]

This is 100% truth.

And the best part is, the libs who post signs that say "follow the science" are really saying "I just believe what the gov't tells me".

Amen - the way these liberal nuts acted will never be forgiven or forgotten. 

[chaos]

Liberals like to conveniently ignore and forget the horrible shit they tried to do during covid. Vaccines passports, reeducation camps, locking people indoors, reporting their neighbors for donut coupons, etc, etc.

[illuminati]

This is 100% truth.

And the best part is, the libs who post signs that say "follow the science" are really saying "I just believe what the gov't tells me".

They're Brainwashed Scared Fools who Trust & Believe Government
& paid for Talking heads - All rational & critical thinking has been
removed from them. 

[Humble Narcissist]

They're Brainwashed Scared Fools who Trust & Believe Government
& paid for Talking heads - All rational & critical thinking has been
removed from them. 

Half of them are probably still wearing masks.

[illuminati]

Half of them are probably still wearing masks.

HA HA HA yep still walking around with a Face nappy advertising how Thick
Brainwashed & easily Fooled they are. 😂🤣😂🤣😂

[Necrosis]

Liberals like to conveniently ignore and forget the horrible shit they tried to do during covid. Vaccines passports, reeducation camps, locking people indoors, reporting their neighbors for donut coupons, etc, etc.

all retarded things to do.

[illuminati]

all retarded things to do.

Yep totally retarded - Glad you agree & take it you didn't partake in any
Of that stupid & obvious utter nonsense??

[Necrosis]

This is 100% truth.

And the best part is, the libs who post signs that say "follow the science" are really saying "I just believe what the gov't tells me".

The science isn't government run, its all available online on pubmed to review yourself. Obviously denying the complexity of the situation makes it easier to say things like this. Science is literally how you and I are able to argue, use your phone, medicine, travel, every piece of tech, predict the weather, create new materials, make bombs etc... You can debate on the methodology of the studies, the stats etc but the studies are out in the open for everyone to see. What the government does with the information is something different, that was public health and political and in no way reflects on the science.

I am all for level headed intelligent decision making, not reactionary political non-sense. The science was evolving as the situation was novel and emerging, there simply wasn't time which is a reasonble claim to make. Everyone is right in hindsight of course.

[Necrosis]

Yep totally retarded - Glad you agree & take it you didn't partake in any
Of that stupid & obvious utter nonsense??

I didn't wear a mask, I worked and didnt distance (I run my own clinic), but did wear one when going into the waiting room and interacting with patients if they were ill.

I had to get a gov pass as I wanted to go out and eat (my fav thing to do) and am generally a dirty filthy animal. I think they promised safety and resolution and did neither. It was mishandled imo but the virus was exactly what the data showed. Maybe I am a girl though. I know plenty of folks who died, seen many die- all sickly but maybe it was my duty to help prevent the spread- of which there was evidence one could reduce spread- but perhaps it wouldn't of mattered.

[illuminati]

The science isn't government run, its all available online on pubmed to review yourself. Obviously denying the complexity of the situation makes it easier to say things like this. Science is literally how you and I are able to argue, use your phone, medicine, travel, every piece of tech, predict the weather, create new materials, make bombs etc... You can debate on the methodology of the studies, the stats etc but the studies are out in the open for everyone to see. What the government does with the information is something different, that was public health and political and in no way reflects on the science.

I am all for level headed intelligent decision making, not reactionary political non-sense. The science was evolving as the situation was novel and emerging, there simply wasn't time which is a reasonble claim to make. Everyone is right in hindsight of course.

The whole event was preplanned. The virus was used as a reason for the Vaccine.

It was clear then - no hindsight needed.

[Necrosis]

The whole event was preplanned. The virus was used as a reason for the Vaccine.

It was clear then - no hindsight needed.

You would have to believe everywhere in the world was in on it though, it also happened during trumps presidency. You have countries with competing interests all ravaged by it. Hospitals were overloaded, I seen it with my own eyes, ventilators where maxed out etc.

So you agree the virus was real and dangerous but you think a global kabal planned it to make money for some pharmaceutical companies and themselves .

It sounds like you may be a conspiracy theorist.
What evidence do you have for your claims?

[illuminati]

You would have to believe everywhere in the world was in on it though, it also happened during trumps presidency. You have countries with competing interests all ravaged by it. Hospitals were overloaded, I seen it with my own eyes, ventilators where maxed out etc.

World Health Organization nearly all countries signed up with them,
Not difficult for them to orchestraight.

Hospital ICU / Ventilators were maxed out here in UK otherwise hospital wards were empty- we had propaganda videos of staff dancing 🙄

So you agree the virus was real and dangerous but you think a global kabal planned it to make money for some pharmaceutical companies and themselves .

Yes the virus was real its now open common knowledge it came from
The wuhan lab.  - There were patents for the clot shots going years back. Why ?
If the Virus was newly created. 

You may think it was a gobal kabal - don't try & put what you think onto me.

It sounds like you may be a conspiracy theorist.
What evidence do you have for your claims?

FFS 'Conspiracy theorist 🙄'  are you trying to insult me by using
That tired worn out nonsense phrase - Try harder.

Why did WHO / Governments / FDA / Moderna / Pfizer / Johnson & Johnson etc
not require their employees to take the Vacince ?

[Grape Ape]

The science isn't government run, its all available online on pubmed to review yourself. Obviously denying the complexity of the situation makes it easier to say things like this. Science is literally how you and I are able to argue, use your phone, medicine, travel, every piece of tech, predict the weather, create new materials, make bombs etc... You can debate on the methodology of the studies, the stats etc but the studies are out in the open for everyone to see. What the government does with the information is something different, that was public health and political and in no way reflects on the science.

I am all for level headed intelligent decision making, not reactionary political non-sense. The science was evolving as the situation was novel and emerging, there simply wasn't time which is a reasonble claim to make. Everyone is right in hindsight of course.

My comment was more a dig at the boomer liberals with their virtue signaling signs.  Those who work off emotion and consume misinformation like it's their favorite ice cream.

During Covid, and for a bit afterwards, I got into reading NIH studies.  I'll admit, a lot went over my head, but after a while, I got the gist of the way these things were laid out, and I could more or less get to the point of it, at least from a layman's understanding of it.  I found it similar to reading legal docs for the first time where you go "what are they saying?"....but I digress.

I also know who funds studies can impact, and methods can be used to make the study say what it wanted, but that's a whole different topic.

I think a lot of what folks are claiming was hindsight, was not really so.

[Primemuscle]

Liberals like to conveniently ignore and forget the horrible shit they tried to do during covid. Vaccines passports, reeducation camps, locking people indoors, reporting their neighbors for donut coupons, etc, etc.

You are clearly exaggerating, or your memory has distorted the reality COVID mandates.

Which liberals tried to do this "horrible shit?" No one that I personally know did any of the things you listed. Oregon's Governor Kotex issued some COVID mandates to help stem the spread of COVID as did many other state governors. It was somewhere around forty states total that issued some kind of mandate related to the COVID pandemic.

No business ever asked to see my 'vaccine passport' which I assume was the little card the pharmacy filled in when you got the COVID vaccine. Many people chose not to get vaccinated. For example, Coach said he was not vaccinated despite that he coached high school football at a public school. Illuminate also said he was not vaccinated. It has been estimated that 1.3 billion adults worldwide were unwilling to have COVID vaccines.

As best as I know, there were no COVID reeducation camps in the U.S. The "stay-at-home," "shelter-in-place," or "safer-at-home," did not lock people indoors. There were exceptions to these, including: shopping for groceries and household necessities; seeking medical care;  exercising outdoors while maintaining social distance; working for businesses deemed essential, such as healthcare; food production; and utilities.

How many people that you know reported people in exchange for donut coupons? This is a myth. Fact is Krispy Kreme offered free donuts to people who could prove they had been vaccinated. Big deal, so non-vaccinated folks paid for their Krispy Kreme donuts.

What does etc. include? More myths?

Not being able to workout at 24 Hour Fitness and La Fitness was a slight inconvenience. Fortunately, local gyms in the Portland Metro area, including one that I frequented, remained open during the COVID pandemic. Wearing a mask while grocery shopping was mildly annoying because my glasses would sometimes fog up during the colder months.

[Grape Ape]

You are clearly exaggerating, or your memory has distorted the reality COVID mandates.

Which liberals tried to do this "horrible shit?" No one that I personally know did any of the things you listed. Oregon's Governor Kotex issued some COVID mandates to help stem the spread of COVID as did many other state governors. It was somewhere around forty states total that issued some kind of mandate related to the COVID pandemic.

No business ever asked to see my 'vaccine passport' which I assume was the little card the pharmacy filled in when you got the COVID vaccine. Many people chose not to get vaccinated. For example, Coach said he was not vaccinated despite that he coached high school football at a public school. Illuminate also said he was not vaccinated. It has been estimated that 1.3 billion adults worldwide were unwilling to have COVID vaccines.

As best as I know, there were no COVID reeducation camps in the U.S. The "stay-at-home," "shelter-in-place," or "safer-at-home," did not lock people indoors. There were exceptions to these, including: shopping for groceries and household necessities; seeking medical care;  exercising outdoors while maintaining social distance; working for businesses deemed essential, such as healthcare; food production; and utilities.

How many people that you know reported people in exchange for donut coupons? This is a myth. Fact is Krispy Kreme offered free donuts to people who could prove they had been vaccinated. Big deal, so non-vaccinated folks paid for their Krispy Kreme donuts.

What does etc. include? More myths?

Not being able to workout at 24 Hour Fitness and La Fitness was a slight inconvenience. Fortunately, local gyms in the Portland Metro area, including one that I frequented, remained open during the COVID pandemic. Wearing a mask while grocery shopping was mildly annoying because my glasses would sometimes fog up during the colder months.

What about doctors getting fired, military folks discharged, front line workers losing their jobs, small business owners bankrupted, etc?

How about the government trying to silence individuals like Alex Bereson by colluding with big tech?

How about Youtube demonetizing folks and taking away their living because it went against the narrative (and turned out to be true)?

How about the rise in teenage mental illness due to the extended isolation from unnecessary school closings?

How about the vaccine injured who had to take the shot to keep their jobs?

There's so much.

[Primemuscle]

What about doctors getting fired, military folks discharged, front line workers losing their jobs, small business owners bankrupted, etc?

How about the government trying to silence individuals like Alex Bereson by colluding with big tech?

How about Youtube demonetizing folks and taking away their living because it went against the narrative (and turned out to be true)?

How about the rise in teenage mental illness due to the extended isolation from unnecessary school closings?

How about the vaccine injured who had to take the shot to keep their jobs?

There's so much.

What about them? None of these were included in Chaos' post, which what I responded to.

[illuminati]

You are clearly exaggerating, or your memory has distorted the reality COVID mandates.

Which liberals tried to do this "horrible shit?" No one that I personally know did any of the things you listed. Oregon's Governor Kotex issued some COVID mandates to help stem the spread of COVID as did many other state governors. It was somewhere around forty states total that issued some kind of mandate related to the COVID pandemic.

No business ever asked to see my 'vaccine passport' which I assume was the little card the pharmacy filled in when you got the COVID vaccine. Many people chose not to get vaccinated. For example, Coach said he was not vaccinated despite that he coached high school football at a public school. Illuminate also said he was not vaccinated. It has been estimated that 1.3 billion adults worldwide were unwilling to have COVID vaccines.

As best as I know, there were no COVID reeducation camps in the U.S. The "stay-at-home," "shelter-in-place," or "safer-at-home," did not lock people indoors. There were exceptions to these, including: shopping for groceries and household necessities; seeking medical care;  exercising outdoors while maintaining social distance; working for businesses deemed essential, such as healthcare; food production; and utilities.

How many people that you know reported people in exchange for donut coupons? This is a myth. Fact is Krispy Kreme offered free donuts to people who could prove they had been vaccinated. Big deal, so non-vaccinated folks paid for their Krispy Kreme donuts.

What does etc. include? More myths?

Not being able to workout at 24 Hour Fitness and La Fitness was a slight inconvenience. Fortunately, local gyms in the Portland Metro area, including one that I frequented, remained open during the COVID pandemic. Wearing a mask while grocery shopping was mildly annoying because my glasses would sometimes fog up during the colder months.

Here in the UK old people's homes were off limits to family members!! WTF.

They had stupid 1 way walking system in big supermarkets 🤣😂🤣 WTF like
The Virus knew which direction you were walking 🙄

10PM Curfew you couldn't be out after 10pm 😂🤣😂🤣 yes the virus could Tell
The time & attack you if out later.

When in a Pub / Restaurant when seated you could remove your face nappy
If you got up to go to the toilet you were to wear your face nappy - yes the virus
Could tell when you were seated or eating & leave you alone 😂🤣😂🤣

Hospital icu / Ventilators were all full & being used - That is the norm for our
ICU's yet suddenly it became hospitals are full 🙄  No the wards were largely
Empty. It was a play on words & used as propaganda.

Keep 6ft apart - Yep the Virus knew distance also, any closer & it'd attack you. 🙄

IT was an utter Farce & anyone with any savvy about them knew it was all a load
Of Bollocks- Yet MSM & Government kept the fear propaganda going for as long
As they could.
Strange that our MPs weren't required to have the clot shots or wear face Nappies
In Parliament- yet all none MPs were 🙄  🤬🤬🤬
Hmmm they must've had some special kind of immunity to the virus😂🤣😂🤣😂

Yes do as we say & not as we do. 🤬🤬🤬

I could go on & on highlighting the lies & stupidity of it all.

No, Never had a Clot shot / Never wore a face nappy/ never had a test 😊
And I walked around supermarkets whatever way I wanted without a face nappy on-
much to the annoyance & anger of the Sheep like scaredy folk. 🤣😂🤣😂

Happy Days 😄