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Re: The direction the US is heading
« Reply #25 on: August 15, 2025, 03:50:09 PM »
Revisionist history much?

bro trump started an insurrection lolol

covid was on Trumps watch. the vaccines should be mandated, what science can you point to that dictates that they shouldn't have been. Trump was literally bragging about operation warp speed.

There was no insurrection.  Of the more than 1600 people who were criminally charged after January 6th, none of them were charged with insurrection.  Even Trump was never charged with insurrection. 

No, Covid "vaccines" should not be mandated.  They don't prevent you from getting the virus.  They don't stop you from spreading the virus.  And it is still an experimental vaccine.

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Re: The direction the US is heading
« Reply #26 on: August 15, 2025, 03:55:30 PM »
Revisionist history much?

bro trump started an insurrection lolol

covid was on Trumps watch. the vaccines should be mandated, what science can you point to that dictates that they shouldn't have been. Trump was literally bragging about operation warp speed.


You're either completely Fucking stupid or completely Fucking stupid.

Yet another Fucked up Leftist Twat.

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Re: The direction the US is heading
« Reply #27 on: August 20, 2025, 11:13:59 AM »

You're either completely Fucking stupid or completely Fucking stupid.

Yet another Fucked up Leftist Twat.

You probably don't even know how vaccines work.

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Re: The direction the US is heading
« Reply #28 on: August 20, 2025, 11:28:18 AM »
Trump for Emperor!


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Re: The direction the US is heading
« Reply #29 on: August 20, 2025, 02:56:23 PM »
Trump for Emperor!


Being Emperor has its drawbacks. There is a total of thirty-seven known assassinated Roman Emperors. Then there is Emperor Nero who committed suicide.

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Re: The direction the US is heading
« Reply #30 on: August 20, 2025, 03:31:20 PM »
You probably don't even know how vaccines work.


You are clearly the only person to know how they work  ::)

Fuck off - Retard. 

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Re: The direction the US is heading
« Reply #31 on: August 20, 2025, 05:34:58 PM »

You are clearly the only person to know how they work  ::)

Fuck off - Retard.

you sound like a mouth breather. You ever get up on stage all oiled up? Did you battle it out on stage with other athletes?


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Re: The direction the US is heading
« Reply #32 on: August 20, 2025, 05:47:45 PM »
There was no insurrection.  Of the more than 1600 people who were criminally charged after January 6th, none of them were charged with insurrection.  Even Trump was never charged with insurrection. 

No, Covid "vaccines" should not be mandated.  They don't prevent you from getting the virus.  They don't stop you from spreading the virus.  And it is still an experimental vaccine.

It was a violent uprising against the government. They literally stormed the capital and utilized violence. Insurrection is very hard to prove hence the rarity of it as a charge, generally prosecutors will file other charges that are easier to convict. So while you are technically right wrt the charges it was clearly an insurrection, or better yet and attempted one.

Weird that you put vaccines in quotations. Influenza vaccines don't prevent you from getting influenza unless the strains are exact, if there is a mutation it can reduce severity. the virus mutated rapidly hence the changing in vaccine efficacy and strength. They did initially prevent infection however the virus rapidly drifted. They do reduce viral load and serious illness.

I am not sure what you mean by experimental.

They absolutely should of been mandated (they should not currently be), the virus was causing serious disease initially but like all good pathogens it weakened to keep host survival and spread paramount. I also think that with the data that they had at the time it was the best decision. Retrospectively things could of been done differently but then different outcomes would emerge that would not be able to predict, which tends to be the case with non-linear dynamic systems of that complexity.

As the variants emerged via evolution (I know shocking!!) more virulent strains dissipated. Ideally a virus would want spread for replication. It's why things like ebola do not spread.


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Re: The direction the US is heading
« Reply #33 on: August 21, 2025, 02:22:35 AM »
you sound like a mouth breather. You ever get up on stage all oiled up? Did you battle it out on stage with other athletes?

Boring - Fuck off Retard.

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Re: The direction the US is heading
« Reply #34 on: August 21, 2025, 02:59:40 AM »
Boring - Fuck off Retard.

imagine doing that lololol.

Not only that, you wear it as a badge of honor. It's a sure sign you are a retard narc.


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Re: The direction the US is heading
« Reply #35 on: August 21, 2025, 09:53:51 AM »

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Re: The direction the US is heading
« Reply #36 on: August 21, 2025, 10:50:54 AM »
imagine doing that lololol.

Not only that, you wear it as a badge of honor. It's a sure sign you are a retard narc.


Oh do fuck off you pompous twat.

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Re: The direction the US is heading
« Reply #37 on: August 21, 2025, 03:28:33 PM »
It was a violent uprising against the government. They literally stormed the capital and utilized violence. Insurrection is very hard to prove hence the rarity of it as a charge, generally prosecutors will file other charges that are easier to convict. So while you are technically right wrt the charges it was clearly an insurrection, or better yet and attempted one.

Weird that you put vaccines in quotations. Influenza vaccines don't prevent you from getting influenza unless the strains are exact, if there is a mutation it can reduce severity. the virus mutated rapidly hence the changing in vaccine efficacy and strength. They did initially prevent infection however the virus rapidly drifted. They do reduce viral load and serious illness.

I am not sure what you mean by experimental.

They absolutely should of been mandated (they should not currently be), the virus was causing serious disease initially but like all good pathogens it weakened to keep host survival and spread paramount. I also think that with the data that they had at the time it was the best decision. Retrospectively things could of been done differently but then different outcomes would emerge that would not be able to predict, which tends to be the case with non-linear dynamic systems of that complexity.

As the variants emerged via evolution (I know shocking!!) more virulent strains dissipated. Ideally a virus would want spread for replication. It's why things like ebola do not spread.

If this was “clearly an insurrection” then people (including Trump) would have been charged with insurrection.  The reason they were not charged with insurrection is because prosecutors could have never proved that anyone engaged in insurrection.  The reason they could not prove it is because there is no evidence of an insurrection.  It’s a pretty simple calculation.
 
And it’s easy to call this an “armed” insurrection in broad terms.  But when you start looking at the actual facts, it falls apart.  For example, what kind of weapons are we talking about?  Hockey sticks.  Rocks.  Flag poles.  Bike racks.  So you have to conclude that people with those kinds of “weapons” were trying to overthrow the U.S. government and its military.  You don’t really believe that.
 
Also, no one was charged with using a weapon to try and overthrow the government and its military.  Some people had actual weapons on them, but were not charged with using those weapons.
 
A lot of those people were invited into the building.
 
The worst offenders on January 6 (and there were definitely some bad actors) delayed the vote certification for a few hours.  Worst insurrection ever.  Lol
 
Regarding Covid, that entire situation was FUBAR.  I put “vaccine” in quotation marks because it did not fit the typical definition of a vaccine.  Do you recall that the CDC changed the definition in the middle of the pandemic, after they realized we were being lied to about the vaccine stopping the spread of Covid?
 

 
The mandates were problematic for several reasons.  First, it is just a fact that the “vaccine” did not stop people from either catching or spreading the virus. Second, why would you mandate that someone who has natural immunity get that vaccine?  It makes no sense.  Third, it trampled on individual liberty.  Fourth, it did not account for the numerous side effects, including documented cases of myocarditis.  Fifth, we did not need to vaccinate children, who typically don’t spread the virus nor die from it.
 
And I think you know what I mean by experimental.  You don’t know what the long-term side-effects are from these vaccines.  No one does.  Most vaccines have many years of research behind them so we know what the possible side-effects can be.  With these we are using people as guinea pigs.  It’s crazy.
 
We got so much wrong during the pandemic.  We did not follow the science.   

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Re: The direction the US is heading
« Reply #38 on: August 21, 2025, 03:46:03 PM »
Let’s see Mr know it all  Necrosis of the Brain
Explain this …………

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Re: The direction the US is heading
« Reply #39 on: August 21, 2025, 03:50:05 PM »
Necrosis of The Brain Explain

WAKE THE FUCK UP.   ;D

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Re: The direction the US is heading
« Reply #40 on: August 22, 2025, 02:22:29 AM »
Necrosis of The Brain Explain

WAKE THE FUCK UP.   ;D

cite the studies retard.

have you ever even read a study before? cool retard infographic though, im sure this is the extent of your "investigation"

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Re: The direction the US is heading
« Reply #41 on: August 22, 2025, 03:07:29 AM »
If this was “clearly an insurrection” then people (including Trump) would have been charged with insurrection.  The reason they were not charged with insurrection is because prosecutors could have never proved that anyone engaged in insurrection.  The reason they could not prove it is because there is no evidence of an insurrection.  It’s a pretty simple calculation.

-- absolutely not true. I already explained it to you. It's like saying if it was clearly murder why did they charge manslaughter, the difficulty of proving the crime with the evidence obtained factors in. This is called nuance, you seem to think everything is a simple calculation. Trying to prove a discordant mob was planning out an insurrection is difficult, its a insanely hard charge to level period, again this doesn't mean it wasn't. OJ was clearly innocent, after all they couldn't prove he didn't do it! must mean it didnt happen. Life and actuality exceeds or is in excess of what facts/evidence one may have. Things are not black and white.

If it wasn't an attempt to overthrow the government via stopping the transfer of power under the guise of false claims - the claim that the election was stolen was laughed out of courts- what was it? Just a bunch of angry people attacking politicians under the behest of teh former president under the claim that the government stole the election and undercut their will?
 
And it’s easy to call this an “armed” insurrection in broad terms.  But when you start looking at the actual facts, it falls apart.  For example, what kind of weapons are we talking about?  Hockey sticks.  Rocks.  Flag poles.  Bike racks.  So you have to conclude that people with those kinds of “weapons” were trying to overthrow the U.S. government and its military.  You don’t really believe that.

-- the people were armed, the fact that you do not consider those weapons means little. I don't think these people were rational actors, so once you admit that then I think thats exactly what they thought they were doing. They literally thought the election was stolen and stormed the capital thinking it would make a difference. Only an absolute retard would do that, you have to be a low iq moron to do what they did. I think you have to be a low iq moron to believe anything trump says.
 
Also, no one was charged with using a weapon to try and overthrow the government and its military.  Some people had actual weapons on them, but were not charged with using those weapons.

-- people were charged with carrying weapons and having weapons. Again it was a mob, they did not have to use weapons and they breached pretty easily to be fair.
 
A lot of those people were invited into the building.

-- ok
 
The worst offenders on January 6 (and there were definitely some bad actors) delayed the vote certification for a few hours.  Worst insurrection ever.  Lol

-- The outcome doesn't negate the intention. They were retards, the whole lot. They were an angry mob trying to stop the government from stealing the election. They didnt just randomly descend on the capitol for no reason. Proving actus reas and mens culpa on that group (to prove the crime of insurrection) would be nearly impossible- hence the other charges which are easier to prove. You are ignoring that insurrection is incredibly hard to prove, but what you can prove by law is not equal to what happened.
 
Regarding Covid, that entire situation was FUBAR.  I put “vaccine” in quotation marks because it did not fit the typical definition of a vaccine.  Do you recall that the CDC changed the definition in the middle of the pandemic, after they realized we were being lied to about the vaccine stopping the spread of Covid?

-- the situation was fubar. What did they change the definition from- do you have those definitions- Here is where we differ. Is it possible that they weren't lying? or possible that lying was the best option? You are oversimplefying the situation grossly. This is a virus that initially was pretty virulent and they had little to no data on it, how bad it would be what the secondary issues would be etc. they then do their best to combat it but can only vaccinate against the current strains, they have no data (unlike the flu vaccine) to base mutations or variations off of. So the vaccines prove partially effective. Keep in mind this isn't uncommon, even some folks with the vaccine for polio got polio. With modeling the worst case scenario (it also could mutate to be worse) indicates a global pandemic (also keep in mind there is data from other countries here)- they do whatever they can to solve the problem, fucking up all along the way (expected with a complex issue). However, you seem to believe it was a conspiracy the world over? that they purposely lied for nefarious reasons (money, power etc) not to gain what little control they could based on the models at the time (which they use for all diseases) and every country was in on it.

-- What would you expect in a situation like this? the vaccine being perfect regardless of mutation across the world? The general public is dumb, the dunning kruger effect is real, you have folks citing papers showing the vaccine doesn't work when the outcomes in that same paper indicate a worse outcome from the actual virus. Could there have been unsavory motivations, obviously, but scientists, phds etc that I know personally are pretty far removed from the power hungry, capitalist narcs that see the world as all or nothing. I think it sounds like bullshit when someone tries to explain nuance, complexity, stochasticity etc Like when people say they cant even predict the weather!! but they fail to understand chaotic systems, strange attractors and the fact that things simply don't work on binary, law of the excluded middle logic and things can be paraconsistent.

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Re: The direction the US is heading
« Reply #42 on: August 22, 2025, 05:19:52 AM »
Liberal nuts are as deranged and insane as ever. 

If this was “clearly an insurrection” then people (including Trump) would have been charged with insurrection.  The reason they were not charged with insurrection is because prosecutors could have never proved that anyone engaged in insurrection.  The reason they could not prove it is because there is no evidence of an insurrection.  It’s a pretty simple calculation.
 
And it’s easy to call this an “armed” insurrection in broad terms.  But when you start looking at the actual facts, it falls apart.  For example, what kind of weapons are we talking about?  Hockey sticks.  Rocks.  Flag poles.  Bike racks.  So you have to conclude that people with those kinds of “weapons” were trying to overthrow the U.S. government and its military.  You don’t really believe that.
 
Also, no one was charged with using a weapon to try and overthrow the government and its military.  Some people had actual weapons on them, but were not charged with using those weapons.
 
A lot of those people were invited into the building.
 
The worst offenders on January 6 (and there were definitely some bad actors) delayed the vote certification for a few hours.  Worst insurrection ever.  Lol
 
Regarding Covid, that entire situation was FUBAR.  I put “vaccine” in quotation marks because it did not fit the typical definition of a vaccine.  Do you recall that the CDC changed the definition in the middle of the pandemic, after they realized we were being lied to about the vaccine stopping the spread of Covid?
 

 
The mandates were problematic for several reasons.  First, it is just a fact that the “vaccine” did not stop people from either catching or spreading the virus. Second, why would you mandate that someone who has natural immunity get that vaccine?  It makes no sense.  Third, it trampled on individual liberty.  Fourth, it did not account for the numerous side effects, including documented cases of myocarditis.  Fifth, we did not need to vaccinate children, who typically don’t spread the virus nor die from it.
 
And I think you know what I mean by experimental.  You don’t know what the long-term side-effects are from these vaccines.  No one does.  Most vaccines have many years of research behind them so we know what the possible side-effects can be.  With these we are using people as guinea pigs.  It’s crazy.
 
We got so much wrong during the pandemic.  We did not follow the science.

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Re: The direction the US is heading
« Reply #43 on: August 22, 2025, 05:20:26 AM »
cite the studies retard.

have you ever even read a study before? cool retard infographic though, im sure this is the extent of your "investigation"

You think your so Fucking clever Brain Necrosis you find them.   ;D

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Re: The direction the US is heading
« Reply #44 on: August 22, 2025, 06:13:20 AM »
You think your so Fucking clever Brain Necrosis you find them.   ;D

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do you want to fight irl? :-*

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Re: The direction the US is heading
« Reply #45 on: August 22, 2025, 06:33:40 AM »
cite the studies retard.

have you ever even read a study before? cool retard infographic though, im sure this is the extent of your "investigation"
Have you ever heard of google? Even leftist google links to studies showing the side effects of the fake "vaccine" the government forced people to take.


Insurrection....LMAO!!
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Re: The direction the US is heading
« Reply #46 on: August 22, 2025, 07:14:05 AM »
Have you ever heard of google? Even leftist google links to studies showing the side effects of the fake "vaccine" the government forced people to take.


Insurrection....LMAO!!

Link the studies, I have read them. I know you haven't. But link them and lets have a look at what they actually say.

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Re: The direction the US is heading
« Reply #47 on: August 22, 2025, 08:01:39 AM »
Link the studies, I have read them. I know you haven't. But link them and lets have a look at what they actually say.
Then you know the study done with doctors and dentists. If that's the case what are you questioning? There was evidence that the "vaccine" wasn't effective and it had negative side effects. What exactly are you trying so pathetically to argue here? Or is this like your windmill studies that you were going to teach us all about? ::)


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Re: The direction the US is heading
« Reply #48 on: August 22, 2025, 08:23:49 AM »
Necrosis of The Brain Explain

WAKE THE FUCK UP.   ;D
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Re: The direction the US is heading
« Reply #49 on: August 22, 2025, 10:32:44 AM »
do you want to fight irl? :-*

stop following me around you weirdo.

Brain Necrosis why do you mention Fighting ?

Post up your promised Studies - We're waiting.