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Re: Converting to protestantism after marrying a catholic: a theological dilemma
« Reply #100 on: September 29, 2025, 10:39:46 AM »
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Matthew 13:55

Isn’t this the carpenter’s son? Isn’t his mother’s name Mary, and aren’t his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas?

[It seems quite a stretch to argue they were not literal brothers. Ancient Greek does have a word for cousin, so why use brother instead? The word 'cousin' is used in other instances in the New Testament]

Joseph was a widower so they could have been step brothers from his previous marriage.

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Re: Converting to protestantism after marrying a catholic: a theological dilemma
« Reply #101 on: September 29, 2025, 10:49:16 AM »
Joseph was a widower so they could have been step brothers from his previous marriage.

As mentioned, even if they were somehow not full brothers or brothers at all, the above verse states that Joseph and Mary still had sexual relations as a husband and wife and consummated their marriage, meaning Mary was not a virgin for the rest of the marriage.

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Re: Converting to protestantism after marrying a catholic: a theological dilemma
« Reply #102 on: September 29, 2025, 10:57:59 AM »
As mentioned, even if they were somehow not full brothers or brothers at all, the above verse states that Joseph and Mary still had sexual relations as a husband and wife and consummated their marriage, meaning Mary was not a virgin for the rest of the marriage.

I cant believe that people still think she was a virgin at all....

The entire religions foundation is based on a virgin birth FFS

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Re: Converting to protestantism after marrying a catholic: a theological dilemma
« Reply #103 on: September 29, 2025, 11:10:42 AM »
I cant believe that people still think she was a virgin at all....

The entire religions foundation is based on a virgin birth FFS
Refer to point 4

20 Essential Truths of the New Testament

No. 1 - The Purposes of Holy Scripture is for the knowledge of salvation: Rom. 15:4; 1 Cor. 10:11;
2 Tim. 3:15; 2 Pet. 1:21

No. 2 - The Holy Scriptures were inspired by God to teach us all truth: Mark 12:24; John 16:13, 20:31; 2 Tim. 3:14; 2 Pet. 1:19

No. 3 - The Spirit of God teaches us personally through the study of the Scriptures: Matt. 4:4; John 20:30; 2 Cor. 4:3; Heb. 4:12

No. 4 - Man in sin cannot understand the Bible: John 8:47;  1 Cor 2:14; 2 Pet 3:16

No. 5 - We must be under the influence of the Holy Spirit: Luke 24:45; Rom 8:5; 1 Cor 2:9; 1 Cor 2:15; Eph 1:16; 1 John 2:20

No. 6 - Religious traditions are false doctrines: Matthew 15:3; Mark 7:7; Gal 1:8; Col 2:8,20; 1 Timothy 1:3, 6:3; Rev 22:18

No. 7 - God, the one Father and Creator, is ONE with His only Son, Jesus Christ, in a single Spirit who gives life: Matthew 3:16; Matthew 28:19; John 14:26, John 16:13; John 16:27; 2 Cor 13:13; Eph 4:4;  Tit 3:4; 1Jn 5:6

No. 8 - Jesus Christ is God from all eternity, Word of God, true God and true man:
Jn 1:1, 1:9, 8:58, 10:30; Col 1:14; 2:8; 1Tim 3:16; Heb 1:5; 1Jn 2:22, 4:15, 5:11, 1Jn 5:20; Rev 1:8

No. 9 - God is the ONLY One who must receive, in the name of Jesus Christ, our worship and prayers: Mt 4:10, 6:9; Jn 14:13; Jn 16:23; Jas 1:5;  1 John 3:22

No. 10 - All men are born in a state of sin and are condemned to eternal death: John 8:21, 15:5;
Rom 2:1, 3:10, 5:12, 6:23, 7:5; 1 Cor 1:19, 15:21; Eph 2:1, 4:17

No. 11 - All sin leads to death, without distinction between venial and mortal sins: Rom 6:23; 1 Cor 6:9; Gal 3:10, 5:19; Jas 2:10; 1 John 3:4 Rev 21:8

No. 12 - Jesus Christ, by dying in our place, made atonement for our sins, and delivers us from the curse of death: Rom 5:6; 2 Cor 5:18; Gal 3:13 Col 2:10; Heb 9:26;  1 Pet 2:24

No. 13 - It is by faith in the blood of Jesus Christ that our souls are purified: Rom 5:1, 5:9, 8:1, 8:29, 8:32-37;
2 Cor 5:1; Eph 1:6; Phil 1:23; Col 1:22, 2:13; Heb 7:25, 9:26; 1 Pet 2:24; 1 John 1:7; Rev 1:6, 7:14

No. 14 - Only Jesus Christ is Savior: nothing else saves us before God, neither gold, nor silver, nor virgins, nor saints, nor angels, nor religious practices: John 10:9, 15:4; Acts 4:12; 1 Timothy 2:5;  1 Pet 1:18

No. 15 - The only mediator between God and men is Jesus Christ: the only high priest, the only intercessor, the only counselor, the only leader, and the only shepherd: John 14:6, John 14:13; Rom 8:33; Eph 2:8, 1 Tim 2:5; Heb 7:24, 9:24; 1 John 2:1

No. 16 - Salvation is free, through faith in Jesus Christ: so whoever believes and obeys the Lord Jesus Christ is justified and saved. John 1:12, 3:16, 3:36, 20:31; Acts 10:43, 16:30; Rom 1:17, 3:23, Rom 5:1; Gal 2:16, 3:11; Ephesians 2:8, Titus 3:4;  1 John 5:10

No. 17 To attain salvation, man must confess his sins and ask God for forgiveness: Matthew 12:36;
Luke 11:2, 18:13; Acts 2:38, 8:22; Rom. 14:12; 2 Corinthians 5:19-21; 1 Pet. 1:18, 1 John 2:1-2

No. 18 - The doctrine of salvation by works is unbiblical. Salvation cannot be bought. It is a gift from God: Matthew 19:25; Luke 17:10; Rom. 3:19, 11:6; Gal. 2:16, 3:10; Gal. 5:4; Eph. 2:8

No. 19 - True faith naturally generates good works through the Holy Spirit: Rom. 6:5; Gal. 5:6; Eph. 2:8;  Tit 2:13; Heb 11:6; Jas 2:14; 1 Jn 2:4/by obedience: Gal 5:16, 5:22, Eph 4:24, 5:8; Jas 1:16

No. 20 Jesus will return for the elect: Jn 12:26, ​​14:3, 14:18
1 Th 4:14
AND EVERYTHING WILL BE JUDGED: MT 12:36, 16:27, RM 2:5, 14:10; 1 Co 4:5; 2 Tim 4:1; Re 20:12-15

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Re: Converting to protestantism after marrying a catholic: a theological dilemma
« Reply #104 on: September 29, 2025, 11:12:37 AM »
I cant believe that people still think she was a virgin at all....

The entire religions foundation is based on a virgin birth FFS
:D She said she was a virgin so it must be true.

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Re: Converting to protestantism after marrying a catholic: a theological dilemma
« Reply #105 on: September 29, 2025, 11:15:57 AM »
:D She said she was a virgin so it must be true.

Believe all women

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Re: Converting to protestantism after marrying a catholic: a theological dilemma
« Reply #106 on: September 29, 2025, 11:17:35 AM »
Believe all women
Or the people who made up the story decades later.

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Re: Converting to protestantism after marrying a catholic: a theological dilemma
« Reply #107 on: September 29, 2025, 11:26:07 AM »
Or the people who made up the story decades later.
More like 8 centuries earlier....

Isaiah chapter 7 verse 14

Therefore will the Lord himself give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and shall bring forth a son, and call his name Immanuel.

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Re: Converting to protestantism after marrying a catholic: a theological dilemma
« Reply #108 on: September 29, 2025, 11:28:50 AM »
More like 8 centuries earlier....

Isaiah chapter 7 verse 14

Therefore will the Lord himself give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and shall bring forth a son, and call his name Immanuel.
She didn't name him Immanuel.

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Re: Converting to protestantism after marrying a catholic: a theological dilemma
« Reply #109 on: September 29, 2025, 11:30:57 AM »
She didn't name him Immanuel.
https://www.thywordistruth.com/questions/Question-195.html
Question #195
Why was Jesus not called Immanuel?
Why was Jesus not called Immanuel, as was prophesied? This confuses me. And I don’t recall ever seeing an explanation for this.

The Answer:
In Isaiah 7:14, Isaiah declared, “Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call Him Immanuel.” In Matthew 1:22-23 we read, “All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: ‘The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel’ which means, ‘God with us.’”

There are many names given to Jesus using the phrase “He shall be called" in the Bible. This was a common way of saying that people would refer to Him in these various ways. For example, Isaiah said, “His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace” (Isaiah 9:6). None of these titles was Jesus’ actual name, but these were descriptions people would use to refer to him.

In the same way, to say that Jesus would be called “Immanuel” means Jesus is God and that He dwelt among us in his incarnation. Jesus was God in the flesh. Jesus was God making His dwelling among us (John 1:1,14). Immanuel is one of the many titles for Jesus, a description of who he is.

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Re: Converting to protestantism after marrying a catholic: a theological dilemma
« Reply #110 on: September 29, 2025, 11:40:26 AM »
So if Nostradamus said that a prophet who would save the world would be born in 500 years and his name would be Mike and 500 years later someone named Steve claimed to be that prophet we should believe him. Got it.

Ask the Jews their opinions on that Biblical passage.

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Re: Converting to protestantism after marrying a catholic: a theological dilemma
« Reply #111 on: September 29, 2025, 11:43:12 AM »
So if Nostradamus said that a prophet who would save the world would be born in 500 years and his name would be Mike and 500 years later someone named Steve claimed to be that prophet we should believe him. Got it.

Ask the Jews their opinions on that Biblical passage.
Glad it was helpful

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Re: Converting to protestantism after marrying a catholic: a theological dilemma
« Reply #112 on: September 29, 2025, 11:52:59 AM »
You invest so much time and effort proving yourself here, truth is more in experience than words, do you have a powerful testimony to share or are you such a hard man that you keep God's love far from you?

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Re: Converting to protestantism after marrying a catholic: a theological dilemma
« Reply #113 on: September 29, 2025, 11:45:35 PM »
You invest so much time and effort proving yourself here, truth is more in experience than words, do you have a powerful testimony to share or are you such a hard man that you keep God's love far from you?
Shut up moron

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Matthew 1:25

When Joseph woke up, he did what the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took Mary home as his wife. But he did not consummate their marriage until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus.

[It's literally saying Mary was not a virgin for the remainder of the marriage. If the brothers mentioned were somehow 'cousins' or step-brothers, the above explicitly states they had sexual relations as husband and wife, even if it did not produce children.]

Matthew 13:55

Isn’t this the carpenter’s son? Isn’t his mother’s name Mary, and aren’t his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas?

[It seems quite a stretch to argue they were not literal brothers. Ancient Greek does have a word for cousin, so why use brother instead? The word 'cousin' is used in other instances in the New Testament]


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God(including Jesus), nor the demons, do really care that much for humans.
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God(including Jesus), nor the demons, do really care that much for humans.
It seems not.

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God(including Jesus), nor the demons, do really care that much for humans.

Its like when people pray for people in a plane crash, Gods made his feelings pretty clear already what he thinks about the people on the plane

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There are Gods but not what we understand or have been tought to understand.
these beings are not from this world & have been with us since the creation of mankind & its development (good & bad)

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There are Gods but not what we understand or have been tought to understand.
these beings are not from this world & have been with us since the creation of mankind & its development (good & bad)

Ancient astronaut theory?

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a mate of ours who is as reliable a reference as anyone of the apostles- reckoned mary was a suck queen who loved back door. and pretended she couldnt have vaginal as she used to fist herself claiming it was god and had a minge like a hippo's yawn.
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There are Gods but not what we understand or have been tought to understand.
these beings are not from this world & have been with us since the creation of mankind & its development (good & bad)
Book of Enoch...

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Seemingly the retard has accepted defeat

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Seemingly the retard has accepted defeat

And who would that be, you? This kind of talk is infantile and shows clearly that there is no Christ in you just words.

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And who would that be, you? This kind of talk is infantile and shows clearly that there is no Christ in you just words.
No, I was talking about you, stupid MF. You are really dense, aren't you?