Which sport is least about genetic and which is most about genetics?

[dj181]

- Different black populations from different regions have different genetic characteristics.

- I'm talking about genetic group differences.  Individual factors like height and "ectomorph" status is too highly variable.

- Tennis is fucking expensive to participate in, and it requires a lot of parental involvement.  If you want to be good, you have to start very young, your parents have to drive you or fly you to competitions, you need a dedicated one-on-one coach, etc.  Hockey is much the same way.

Yep basketball is the best for freedom as you can practice on your own all you need is a ball and a hoop

L. Bird used to practice shooting til his hands would bleed

[IroNat]

Bodybuilding is not a sport.

It's a beauty contest like Miss Universe.

[38 returns]

Yep basketball is the best for freedom as you can practice on your own all you need is a ball and a hoop

L. Bird used to practice shooting til his hands would bleed

wrong again

according to your friend AI


No, there's no reliable account or story indicating that Larry Bird shot until his hands bled; however, he was known for his intense competitive spirit and playing through injuries and pain, sometimes using his off-hand as a form of challenge or to prove his mastery. His fierce determination to play despite calloused hands, a bruised back, and other injuries was legendary.
What the stories do show:
Playing Through Pain: Bird was famous for showing up to every game with a bruised back and other injuries, refusing to sit out unless absolutely necessary.
Legendary Left-Handed Game: He once played the majority of a game with his weaker left hand, scoring 47 points, grabbing 14 rebounds, and dishing out 11 assists in a triple-double, famously saying he was saving his right hand for a rival team.
Intense Competitiveness: Bird's career is filled with stories of his commitment to the game and his opponents, including the incident where he played with a severely injured hand and still led his team to a comeback win.
Calloused Hands: While not bleeding, his hands were described as calloused due to his relentless practice and playing habits.

[BigRo]

Bodybuilding is not a sport.

It's a beauty contest like Miss Universe.

It definitely is a sport, both the preparation and competition.

[joswift]

It definitely is a sport, both the preparation and competition.

the competition is an art form

Name me another sport where the competition has nothing to do with the training?

[BigRo]

the competition is an art form

Name me another sport where the competition has nothing to do with the training?

The competition has nearly everything to do with training in bodybuilding, unless your James Room.

[joswift]

The competition has nearly everything to do with training in bodybuilding, unless your James Room.

really?
When you go training do you just go through posing routines or do you lift weights?

Weightlifters lift weights training and in competition
Ice skaters skate on ice in training then skate on ice in competition
Darts players practice with darts then throw darts in competition

Bodybuilders lift weights in training and do something totally different in competition

Tell me does it matter how strong you are onstage in a thong?

[Humble Narcissist]

Bodybuilding is about genetic response to drugs + tolerance of drug overdoses without suffering from major health issues.  Offhand, I'd say it's 80% genetic, 20% diet. 

Certain sports rely almost completely on genetic factors like muscle fiber type abundance, oxygen utilization, lactic acid production/tolerance, tendon length, etc.  Sprinting and competitive marathon running are both good examples of this.  If you're a generic white dude, you can get good, but you'll never be truly elite.

Skill-based sports like gymnastics, wrestling, and tennis -- these have the least to do with genetics.  Mostly just hard work and dedication over the years, from a very young age.  Some people will obviously be more talented than others, but you don't see meaningful ethnic/genetic patterns.

Agreed at least at a high school level but the farther up you go (college, pro, Olympics) gymnasts and wrestlers become genetic dominant as well. There are no female gymnasts at the top levels that are tall or fat.

[IroNat]

It definitely is a sport, both the preparation and competition.

No, it's not.

There is no athleticism required to be a bodybuilder.
There is no athleticism needed to do curls and other typical bodybuilding exercises.
Even less is needed today with the use of machines.
Injecting a needle in yourself or swallowing pills is not athletic or a sport.


Miss America Cassie Donegan defends pageant makeup after social media trolls took aim

https://nypost.com/2025/09/21/lifestyle/miss-america-cassie-donegan-defends-pageant-makeup-after-social-media-trolls-took-aim/

[BigRo]

really?
When you go training do you just go through posing routines or do you lift weights?

Weightlifters lift weights training and in competition
Ice skaters skate on ice in training then skate on ice in competition
Darts players practice with darts then throw darts in competition

Bodybuilders lift weights in training and do something totally different in competition

Tell me does it matter how strong you are onstage in a thong?

A bodybuilder has to train hard, the hard training is the competition one is winning before the day of the event, then there is posing practice which has to be a daily staple of prep and on the day of the show the one who can go rounds without fading comes out on top if it is close.

[BigRo]

No, it's not.

There is no athleticism required to be a bodybuilder.
There is no athleticism needed to do curls and other typical bodybuilding exercises.
Even less is needed today with the use of machines.
Injecting a needle in yourself or swallowing pills is not athletic or a sport.


Miss America Cassie Donegan defends pageant makeup after social media trolls took aim

https://nypost.com/2025/09/21/lifestyle/miss-america-cassie-donegan-defends-pageant-makeup-after-social-media-trolls-took-aim/

So its nothing more than a drugged up beauty pageant? Come on.

So strongman is not a sport either by your reckoning, American football is not a sport etc etc.

Athleticism is required to do a brutal 20 rep set of squats, athleticism is required to do a dynamic posing routine too.

[dj181]

In general weight training improves athletic ability

As a teen I increased my vertical leap 6 inches through training

[joswift]

So its nothing more than a drugged up beauty pageant? Come on.

So strongman is not a sport either by your reckoning, American football is not a sport etc etc.

Athleticism is required to do a brutal 20 rep set of squats, athleticism is required to do a dynamic posing routine too.

it is if you squeeze at 100% all the way through it without breathing

Did you ever see Bob Paris or Lee Labrada gasping for breath during a routine.

Flexing at 60% looks the same as 100% when you are onstage

The top guys today cant wipe their fucking arses properly

[BigRo]

it is if you squeeze at 100% all the way through it without breathing

Did you ever see Bob Paris or Lee Labrada gasping for breath during a routine.

Flexing at 60% looks the same as 100% when you are onstage

The top guys today cant wipe their fucking arses properly

Because they practiced and mastered posing which requires athleticism and a decent level of fitness.

[joswift]

Because they practiced and mastered posing which requires athleticism and a decent level of fitness.

Nah.. you can go onstage and do a routine without breaking sweat or getting out of breath

Compulsories is harder but not to the point were you need great cardio

[BigRo]

Nah.. you can go onstage and do a routine without breaking sweat or getting out of breath

Compulsories is harder but not to the point were you need great cardio

I like to challenge myself;

https://www.facebook.com/ronan.doherty.9678/videos/570704385508616

[_bruce_]

- Different black populations from different regions have different genetic characteristics.

- I'm talking about genetic group differences.  Individual factors like height and "ectomorph" status is too highly variable.

- Tennis is fucking expensive to participate in, and it requires a lot of parental involvement.  If you want to be good, you have to start very young, your parents have to drive you or fly you to competitions, you need a dedicated one-on-one coach, etc.  Hockey is much the same way.

Cool sport

[obsidian]

Tennis- is socially engineered, blacks were priced out of it and not allowed to partake.

Not anymore.

Tennis requires stamina, good eye-hand coordination and emotional intelligence. Tennis demands emotional intelligence, from managing frustration and staying motivated to reading an opponent’s mindset. At the highest level, emotional control often decides matches more than technical skill.

Yes, Blacks can excel in tennis, but it is dominated by Whites.

[joswift]

I like to challenge myself;

https://www.facebook.com/ronan.doherty.9678/videos/570704385508616

Great routine and not gassed at all.

[funk51]

Bodybuilding is about genetic response to drugs + tolerance of drug overdoses without suffering from major health issues.  Offhand, I'd say it's 80% genetic, 20% diet. 

Certain sports rely almost completely on genetic factors like muscle fiber type abundance, oxygen utilization, lactic acid production/tolerance, tendon length, etc.  Sprinting and competitive marathon running are both good examples of this.  If you're a generic white dude, you can get good, but you'll never be truly elite.

Skill-based sports like gymnastics, wrestling, and tennis -- these have the least to do with genetics.  Mostly just hard work and dedication over the years, from a very young age.  Some people will obviously be more talented than others, but you don't see meaningful ethnic/genetic patterns.

[Van_Bilderass]

What many miss in these discussions is that "dedication" and "willpower" amomg other mental traits are also genetic, just as much as physical features. Naturally with just willpower you can't overcome physical limitations. It always irks me when some pig headed fella with no quit in him is lecturing others how to be like him. Not that you can't influence mental processes somewhat through comscious action but the big question is always where "will" really originates from, at least to me

[Van_Bilderass]

africans, ignoring the skin colour, actually have the most genetic diversity imaginable. There's so many distinct ethnic groups, and you can often as not tell by appearance esp the shape of the head, where they are from and stuff (not throwing shade here, it's obvious to anyone when you have seen enough people from certain regions), and naturally other featuress vary as well. so kenyans are good endurance athletes, no question, but not as many of them have massive natural ability at say powerlifting. and so on

Just a very minor point as I agree otherwise. Kenyans and other west Africans I think have the fast twitch fibers for power. We have so many Somalians here and I haven't seen a single lean nor muscular Somali. Until the other day I hadn't seen one single Somali do even a single real "hard" set in the gym and my gym in particular mainly just has Somalis. It's me and 4 or 5 Somalis who are there at 1AM LOL. They all talk on their head sets and do 3-4 reps at 20% effort every now and then. Ethiopoians I think are the legendary runbers. After a run they drink blood right out of the neck of an animal. When it pisses they wash their face with the urine.

[Stephano]

His arms look absolutely insane in the 300lb pic.   

Anyway, cutting is the most drug-dependent part of the whole process, so I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to say here.  Sure, you've got to diet, I guess?  Cardio?  Have you seen how Ronnie dieted and did his cardio?  Let me clue you in:  His diet was mostly ketchup and BBQ sauce, and his cardio was 40 minutes on the treadmill at a literal snail's pace.

[Stephano]

Just a very minor point as I agree otherwise. Kenyans and other west Africans I think have the fast twitch fibers for power. We have so many Somalians here and I haven't seen a single lean nor muscular Somali. Until the other day I hadn't seen one single Somali do even a single real "hard" set in the gym and my gym in particular mainly just has Somalis. It's me and 4 or 5 Somalis who are there at 1AM LOL. They all talk on their head sets and do 3-4 reps at 20% effort every now and then. Ethiopoians I think are the legendary runbers. After a run they drink blood right out of the neck of an animal. When it pisses they wash their face with the urine.

Kenya is in east Africa, lol

[Van_Bilderass]

Kenya is in east Africa, lol

Haha I'm a moron, my bad. I was thinking of Ghana I think. West Africans of course are known for having fast twitch fibers. But if you google search you can find plenty jacked Kenyans. Very few Somalis though, I think there's one Somali pro. I googled a bit and some Somalis were offended by the question, "do Somalis have good muscle building genes?"... "who wants to Ronnie Coleman on a whole cocktail of shit"