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Re: FBI Bombshell: 274 agents sent to Capitol for J6
« Reply #25 on: September 26, 2025, 05:34:27 PM »
   An insurrection is an attempt to overthrow the government through illegal and unConstitutional means; this almost always involves violence as one of its key elements.

And note that the charge of insurrection does not require that the insurrection succeed (and ironically, an insurrection that DID succeed would probably not incur criminal charges, as new people would then be deciding things).

Furthermore, this is why the charges against Donald Trump on Jan. 6, 2020 are so very serious, and why prosecutors have not dropped it. An attempt to violently overthrow the government, or even to urge one’s followers to do so, is a major crime.

As another example, was Hitler’s rise to power an insurrection? Not precisely, but it had some similarities. Hitler became Chancellor of Germany through legal means, but that did not give him anything close to absolute power; that power was claimed only after his own people burned down the Reichstag (the German capitol building) and blamed it on the Communists. He then imposed marital law.

Rioting is an outbreak of violence (generally looting and property destruction) as a way of expressing strong feelings by a crowd, but usually not with the specific intent of overthrowing a government. It is, of course, also illegal because it involves unjustified destruction of property and possibly putting lives in danger.

Civil unrest is like rioting but is a more general state of affairs. Civil unrest means a general break down of the social order but is typically less organized than an insurrection or riot.

Yeah, the fact you're comparing Trump to a Nazi shows your complete and utter ignorance of any history and you literally parrot anything the left tells you. It's not a wonder why you run away from an actual face to face debate. SET.IT.UP.

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Re: FBI Bombshell: 274 agents sent to Capitol for J6
« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2025, 08:24:26 AM »
Yeah, the fact you're comparing Trump to a Nazi shows your complete and utter ignorance of any history and you literally parrot anything the left tells you. It's not a wonder why you run away from an actual face to face debate. SET.IT.UP.
  Eerie similarities besides both being Germans.

 Both show a monomaniacal approach to politics.

Trump‘s often vulgar denunciation of his opponents’ alleged failures consistently highlights the claim that he alone can fix the problems in public policy and society. That claim finds an analogy in Hitler’s persistent demand that he be the sole leader in Germany.

“Fuehrerprinzip”

One cannot avoid seeing comparable traits in Trump‘s singular assertion of his unique abilities, and the Nazi leader’s insistence on the “Fuehrerprinzip,” the assertion that curing the country’s problems required vesting all power in one leader.

A politician that seeks to be a dictator “but only for a day” is setting the stage to prolong that status indefinitely. Hitler’s dictatorship did not occur instantly when he became German Chancellor in January 1933. Consolidation and perpetuation of his political dominance occurred swiftly in the months that followed.

Stormtroopers — then and now

The Nazi leader relied heavily on the violent, ragtag paramilitary groups that emerged in the wake of Germany’s 1918 defeat. He relied especially on the large number of so-called “storm troopers” mobilized to support the Nazi party as it enlisted millions of voters in the 1920s and 1930s.

No large-scale private militias exist in the United States, but Trump’s friendly stance toward the Proud Boys and others involved in the 2021 assault on the Capitol reveals a parallel inclination to threaten the constitutional order.

Trump has even stated that parts of the constitution may need to be suspended or altered.

That inclination is underscored by the Republican candidate’s constant refrain that any election he loses has to be rigged, that anyone who beats him has to have cheated — a theme that amounts to denying the possibility of the fair elections that are the bedrock of self-government.

Scorched earth policy

Trump’s demonstrated encouragement of the January 2021 uprising against the constitutional change of power bears some resemblance, albeit slight, to Hitler’s behavior as he was losing the war in April 1945.

The Nazi dictator ordered a scorched earth policy designed to destroy any remaining economic resources that the victors might use.

Though not effectively carried out, that order would have deprived German survivors of the limited remaining means to aid their recovery from the devastation to which his war had exposed them.

Trump’s attempt to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power to his chosen successor did not pose immediate economic crises but threatened the political process on which American democracy and prosperity rest.

The readiness to lie

Perhaps the most sinister analogy between Trump and Hitler is the readiness to lie. Both leaders have shown remarkable talent to project their declarations with little regard for whether they are true or false.

Hitler and his Propaganda Minister, Joseph Goebbels, were brilliant exploiters of the mass media of their time, especially radio, film and print. When one visits the vast stadium in Nuremberg where massive Nazi rallies gave Hitler breathtaking opportunities to animate his followers, the scale is beyond anything in the United States outside of some football arenas.

Trump’s emphasis on his rally size and audience responses recalls Hitler’s events. Once in office, the Nazi quickly suppressed any chance for other groups to mount similar rallies.

The Harris-Walz ticket faces no such obstacles, though Trump repeatedly complains when his opponents attract media attention.

Master propagandist — all by himself

A key point is that, in amplifying his voice, Trump enjoys even greater potential than Hitler. From his experience as a television showman, Trump shows eager interest in gaining coverage both in traditional media and in the myriad new channels of social media and other internet platforms.

If he lacks Hitler’s capacity to deny competitors’ access to those diverse outlets, he is still able to saturate them himself, mounting the equivalent of a full-court press.

Enemies everywhere

It is through his voluble speeches and media presentations that Trump invites a basic comparison to Hitler.

His habitual resort to epithets regarding his opponents resembles the Nazi’s style in describing those he saw as enemies — communists, Jews, anyone standing in the way of his quest for unfettered power.

At their core the two men share egos that are plainly narcissistic in the extreme. And that self-centered focus generates a coarseness of vocabulary and behavior that degrades politics.

Both men exhibit an intense will to power, a drive to dominate that is incompatible with genuine respect for the views and rights of others.

Media matters

The most notable difference between Hitler’s mass communications and those of Donald Trump is that, while the Nazis quickly suppressed independent media, the United States retains vigorous channels to challenge its leaders.

To be sure, the effectiveness of such challenges is diminished by the “stovepiping” of information in the United States, whereby citizens’ choice of information sources reinforces the dangerous polarization of society and politics.

Yet, there is considerable leakage between such stovepipes. That offers hope for true and balanced perceptions eventually to prevail among the citizenry.

Conclusion

General Mark Milley, who chaired the Joint Chiefs of Staff during the Trump presidency, has voiced his emphatic verdict to author Bob Woodward: “No one has ever been as dangerous to this country as Donald Trump … Now I realize he’s a total fascist. He is the most dangerous person to this country.” Many others who served with the former president offer similar views.

Nevertheless, a net assessment of the Hitler/Trump comparison is intrinsically controversial and necessarily tentative. The differences are manifold, but so are the similarities. A reasonable verdict is that Trump is no Hitler — unless the American people enable him to be one.

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Re: FBI Bombshell: 274 agents sent to Capitol for J6
« Reply #27 on: September 27, 2025, 09:09:14 AM »
  Fact Check: Many Of 274 FBI Agents Noted In Internal Report Were Responding To January 6 Capitol Riot -- Report Says They Were Not 'Undercover' Or 'Embedded' In Crowd. well it was a pretty good lie anyway... nice try.
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Re: FBI Bombshell: 274 agents sent to Capitol for J6
« Reply #28 on: September 27, 2025, 09:45:20 AM »
Yeah, the fact you're comparing Trump to a Nazi shows your complete and utter ignorance of any history and you literally parrot anything the left tells you. It's not a wonder why you run away from an actual face to face debate. SET.IT.UP.

Oh Coach, you and your debate nonsense again. ::)

If there were to be a debate who decides who won. Also winning a debate would change nothing. This is because it is possible to be dead wrong about something and still win a debate about it or be right and lose the debate.

What we have is differing opinions, that is all. Opinions are not facts.

You do realize that a  face-to-face debate means participants are physically present in the same location, person to person. This does not include online or virtual debates. I doubt you will find anyone willing to go to the trouble to travel in order to meet up with you for a debate.

If you mean a formal debate, who is going to judge it? Or, if you mean an informal debate, who decides the winner -- the debaters and/or an audience? If it is the audience's decision, what is the forum or venue?

For the record, I have no interest in having a debate with you about anything, anytime or anywhere.

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Re: FBI Bombshell: 274 agents sent to Capitol for J6
« Reply #29 on: September 27, 2025, 10:10:59 AM »
  Eerie similarities besides both being Germans.

 Both show a monomaniacal approach to politics.

Trump‘s often vulgar denunciation of his opponents’ alleged failures consistently highlights the claim that he alone can fix the problems in public policy and society. That claim finds an analogy in Hitler’s persistent demand that he be the sole leader in Germany.

“Fuehrerprinzip”

One cannot avoid seeing comparable traits in Trump‘s singular assertion of his unique abilities, and the Nazi leader’s insistence on the “Fuehrerprinzip,” the assertion that curing the country’s problems required vesting all power in one leader.

A politician that seeks to be a dictator “but only for a day” is setting the stage to prolong that status indefinitely. Hitler’s dictatorship did not occur instantly when he became German Chancellor in January 1933. Consolidation and perpetuation of his political dominance occurred swiftly in the months that followed.

Stormtroopers — then and now

The Nazi leader relied heavily on the violent, ragtag paramilitary groups that emerged in the wake of Germany’s 1918 defeat. He relied especially on the large number of so-called “storm troopers” mobilized to support the Nazi party as it enlisted millions of voters in the 1920s and 1930s.

No large-scale private militias exist in the United States, but Trump’s friendly stance toward the Proud Boys and others involved in the 2021 assault on the Capitol reveals a parallel inclination to threaten the constitutional order.

Trump has even stated that parts of the constitution may need to be suspended or altered.

That inclination is underscored by the Republican candidate’s constant refrain that any election he loses has to be rigged, that anyone who beats him has to have cheated — a theme that amounts to denying the possibility of the fair elections that are the bedrock of self-government.

Scorched earth policy

Trump’s demonstrated encouragement of the January 2021 uprising against the constitutional change of power bears some resemblance, albeit slight, to Hitler’s behavior as he was losing the war in April 1945.

The Nazi dictator ordered a scorched earth policy designed to destroy any remaining economic resources that the victors might use.

Though not effectively carried out, that order would have deprived German survivors of the limited remaining means to aid their recovery from the devastation to which his war had exposed them.

Trump’s attempt to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power to his chosen successor did not pose immediate economic crises but threatened the political process on which American democracy and prosperity rest.

The readiness to lie

Perhaps the most sinister analogy between Trump and Hitler is the readiness to lie. Both leaders have shown remarkable talent to project their declarations with little regard for whether they are true or false.

Hitler and his Propaganda Minister, Joseph Goebbels, were brilliant exploiters of the mass media of their time, especially radio, film and print. When one visits the vast stadium in Nuremberg where massive Nazi rallies gave Hitler breathtaking opportunities to animate his followers, the scale is beyond anything in the United States outside of some football arenas.

Trump’s emphasis on his rally size and audience responses recalls Hitler’s events. Once in office, the Nazi quickly suppressed any chance for other groups to mount similar rallies.

The Harris-Walz ticket faces no such obstacles, though Trump repeatedly complains when his opponents attract media attention.

Master propagandist — all by himself

A key point is that, in amplifying his voice, Trump enjoys even greater potential than Hitler. From his experience as a television showman, Trump shows eager interest in gaining coverage both in traditional media and in the myriad new channels of social media and other internet platforms.

If he lacks Hitler’s capacity to deny competitors’ access to those diverse outlets, he is still able to saturate them himself, mounting the equivalent of a full-court press.

Enemies everywhere

It is through his voluble speeches and media presentations that Trump invites a basic comparison to Hitler.

His habitual resort to epithets regarding his opponents resembles the Nazi’s style in describing those he saw as enemies — communists, Jews, anyone standing in the way of his quest for unfettered power.

At their core the two men share egos that are plainly narcissistic in the extreme. And that self-centered focus generates a coarseness of vocabulary and behavior that degrades politics.

Both men exhibit an intense will to power, a drive to dominate that is incompatible with genuine respect for the views and rights of others.

Media matters

The most notable difference between Hitler’s mass communications and those of Donald Trump is that, while the Nazis quickly suppressed independent media, the United States retains vigorous channels to challenge its leaders.

To be sure, the effectiveness of such challenges is diminished by the “stovepiping” of information in the United States, whereby citizens’ choice of information sources reinforces the dangerous polarization of society and politics.

Yet, there is considerable leakage between such stovepipes. That offers hope for true and balanced perceptions eventually to prevail among the citizenry.

Conclusion

General Mark Milley, who chaired the Joint Chiefs of Staff during the Trump presidency, has voiced his emphatic verdict to author Bob Woodward: “No one has ever been as dangerous to this country as Donald Trump … Now I realize he’s a total fascist. He is the most dangerous person to this country.” Many others who served with the former president offer similar views.

Nevertheless, a net assessment of the Hitler/Trump comparison is intrinsically controversial and necessarily tentative. The differences are manifold, but so are the similarities. A reasonable verdict is that Trump is no Hitler — unless the American people enable him to be one.

Again, the fact your dumb ass(s) because that’s the narrative of every leftist screaming “nazi” and “fascism” is comparing 1930’s Hitler to today makes you that much more ignorant


“Historically, fascism often involved illegal or extralegal actions to seize and maintain power, such as abolishing democratic institutions, banning opposition, and using violence to suppress dissent, as seen in regimes like Mussolini’s Italy or Hitler’s Germany. These actions typically violated existing legal frameworks or constitutions. In contrast, most modern right-wing movements in democratic countries operate within legal and constitutional bounds, participating in elections and adhering to established laws, even if their policies or rhetoric spark controversy. While critics may dislike certain decisions, those decisions are generally made through lawful processes, not through the overthrow of legal systems as fascism historically entailed.”

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Re: FBI Bombshell: 274 agents sent to Capitol for J6
« Reply #30 on: September 27, 2025, 10:12:58 AM »
Oh Coach, you and your debate nonsense again. ::)

If there were to be a debate who decides who won. Also winning a debate would change nothing. This is because it is possible to be dead wrong about something and still win a debate about it or be right and lose the debate.

What we have is differing opinions, that is all. Opinions are not facts.

You do realize that a  face-to-face debate means participants are physically present in the same location, person to person. This does not include online or virtual debates. I doubt you will find anyone willing to go to the trouble to travel in order to meet up with you for a debate.

If you mean a formal debate, who is going to judge it? Or, if you mean an informal debate, who decides the winner -- the debaters and/or an audience? If it is the audience's decision, what is the forum or venue?

For the record, I have no interest in having a debate with you about anything, anytime or anywhere.

A face to face debate in our case could be a live a zoom with multiple people watching. Skate more

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Re: FBI Bombshell: 274 agents sent to Capitol for J6
« Reply #31 on: September 27, 2025, 01:13:12 PM »
A face to face debate in our case could be a live a zoom with multiple people watching. Skate more

Good to know. Maybe I should have known this because I have chaired several board meetings on Zoom. Wearing headphones, I can hear most of what folks are saying much better than in person using just my hearing aids.

Did you neglect to read my comment about not having an interest in debating with you about anything, anytime or anywhere, (including on Zoom). As I said, winning a debate does not change whether something is right or wrong. Someone can win a debate and still be wrong about what they were debating.

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Re: FBI Bombshell: 274 agents sent to Capitol for J6
« Reply #32 on: September 27, 2025, 02:54:39 PM »
Oh Coach, you and your debate nonsense again. ::)

If there were to be a debate who decides who won. Also winning a debate would change nothing. This is because it is possible to be dead wrong about something and still win a debate about it or be right and lose the debate.

What we have is differing opinions, that is all. Opinions are not facts.

You do realize that a  face-to-face debate means participants are physically present in the same location, person to person. This does not include online or virtual debates. I doubt you will find anyone willing to go to the trouble to travel in order to meet up with you for a debate.

If you mean a formal debate, who is going to judge it? Or, if you mean an informal debate, who decides the winner -- the debaters and/or an audience? If it is the audience's decision, what is the forum or venue?

For the record, I have no interest in having a debate with you about anything, anytime or anywhere.
                  Mister Chaos would be the judge. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Re: FBI Bombshell: 274 agents sent to Capitol for J6
« Reply #33 on: Today at 07:01:44 AM »
How's this bombshell ageing not too well, just another falsehood proven to be fake news to distract from what is really going on behind the scene. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Re: FBI Bombshell: 274 agents sent to Capitol for J6
« Reply #34 on: Today at 07:28:41 AM »
                  Mister Chaos would be the judge. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Right now I'm judging your liberal faggotry. You're just a bad person. Your TDS has turned a once decent person with decades of weightlifting knowledge into a Trump obsessed lying moron.
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!