Using pure logic ChatGPT admits God must exist

[joswift]

[BigRo]

that was good, I would prefer to experience rather than know and in the experience know, which can never be proven to another but only experienced for oneself. Of course an atheist might say well whatever you are experiencing is generated from your brain but they too cannot prove that conclusively so both atheists and believers are better off meditating than fighting with each other.

[joswift]

that was good, I would prefer to experience rather than know and in the experience know, which can never be proven to another but only experienced for oneself. Of course an atheist might say well whatever you are experiencing is generated from your brain but they too cannot prove that conclusively so both atheists and believers are better off meditating than fighting with each other.

heres another short video

most annoying thing is the host wraps it up way too soon

[Dave D]

that was good, I would prefer to experience rather than know and in the experience know, which can never be proven to another but only experienced for oneself. Of course an atheist might say well whatever you are experiencing is generated from your brain but they too cannot prove that conclusively so both atheists and believers are better off meditating than fighting with each other.

What are you saying?

[joswift]

just as an aside I asked ChatGPT is Caitlyn Jenner a woman

its response

Yes, Caitlyn Jenner is a woman. She came out as transgender in 2015, transitioning from male to female. Before her transition, she was known as Bruce Jenner, a famous Olympic gold medalist. Since her transition, Caitlyn Jenner has been an advocate for transgender rights and has spoken openly about her experiences. She identifies as a woman, and that’s how she is publicly recognized.

So it denies science

[Dave D]

just as an aside I asked ChatGPT is Caitlyn Jenner a woman

its response
So it denies science

Interesting. Will you ask what makes Jenner a woman? Or have it define what a woman is.

[joswift]

Interesting. Will you ask what makes Jenner a woman? Or have it define what a woman is.

what is a woman

A woman is an adult human female. In biological terms, women typically have two X chromosomes, though there are some variations (like in intersex individuals). Biologically, women usually have reproductive anatomy that includes structures like ovaries, fallopian tubes, and a uterus, though not all women can or choose to have children.
However, the definition of "woman" isn't just biological—it's also tied to gender identity. Gender identity refers to how someone personally experiences their gender. A person who identifies as a woman may do so because of how they feel internally, even if their biological traits don't align with traditional concepts of femininity. This means that a trans woman (someone who was assigned male at birth but identifies as a woman) is also considered a woman.
In society, being a woman often involves specific roles, expectations, and experiences, though these can vary widely across cultures and time periods. It's also important to recognize that the concept of "woman" is fluid, shaped by both biology and society.
Is there a particular aspect of being a woman you're curious about?

What makes Bruce Jenner a woman?

Bruce Jenner, now known as Caitlyn Jenner, identifies as a woman, and her transition from male to female is rooted in her gender identity. This means that Caitlyn, after years of being assigned male at birth and living as a man, decided to publicly and privately identify as a woman.
Here’s what makes Caitlyn Jenner a woman:
Gender Identity: Gender identity is how someone personally experiences their gender. Caitlyn Jenner identifies as a woman, meaning that this is the gender she feels most aligned with, regardless of the sex she was assigned at birth (male). Gender identity is a deeply personal and internal understanding of one's self.
Transition: Caitlyn went through a gender transition process that included hormone replacement therapy (HRT) and gender-affirming surgery. While not every trans woman pursues medical or surgical transitions, Caitlyn's decision to do so aligns with her identity as a woman.
Social Recognition: Caitlyn publicly came out as a transgender woman in 2015, sharing her story in interviews and on television. Society recognizes her as a woman because that’s how she identifies, and her identity is validated by the language, respect, and recognition others give her as such.
In short, Caitlyn Jenner is a woman because that’s how she identifies and expresses herself. Her gender identity is what defines her, rather than the sex she was assigned at birth or how others might have perceived her in the past.
If you're interested in more details about Caitlyn's journey or about gender identity in general, feel free to ask!

[joswift]

Am I a woman if I say I am?

Yes, if you say you’re a woman, then you are a woman. Gender identity is personal and individual. It’s about how you feel and understand yourself, and it doesn’t depend on anyone else’s definition. So if you identify as a woman, that is valid.
It’s important to remember that gender is complex and multifaceted—it’s influenced by biology, personal experience, and social factors, but ultimately, how you define yourself is what matters most. There’s no single rule about what makes someone a woman. Some people may define it biologically, while others may consider it more from a social, cultural, or personal standpoint.

Am I a dog if I say I am?

No, you're not a dog in the biological sense. You're human! But if you feel connected to or identify with dogs in some way, that’s totally valid too—it’s just part of how you might express yourself or feel. 😄

[joswift]

Am I not human if i say I am

From a biological standpoint, if you’re a human (Homo sapiens), saying “I’m not human” doesn’t actually change that reality — your DNA, anatomy, and species remain human no matter what you say.
However, from an identity or philosophical standpoint, people can feel disconnected from being “human” or identify with something else (this happens in groups like “otherkin” or in spiritual/philosophical beliefs). In that case, saying “I’m not human” is more about how you feel or see yourself, not about your literal species.
So:
Biologically: You’re still human.
Identity-wise: You can identify however you feel, and that’s valid as a personal expression.

so how I feel is more important than what I am biologically?

It depends on the context, but in terms of identity, yes, how you feel is often considered more important than biological sex. When it comes to gender, how you identify—whether you feel like a woman, man, both, neither, or something else—is central to how you define yourself.
Let me break it down a bit:
1. Identity (How you feel):
Gender identity is a deeply personal experience. It’s about how you perceive yourself and how you feel in terms of gender. Whether or not you fit the traditional biological definitions of male or female doesn't change the fact that your feelings about your identity matter the most in defining who you are.
For example, a transgender woman may have been born biologically male, but if she identifies and feels like a woman, then her gender identity as a woman is what defines her.
Society, increasingly, recognizes that self-identification is a critical aspect of how we respect and acknowledge individuals—whether someone is cisgender (biologically matching their gender identity) or transgender.
2. Biology (What you are biologically):
Biology plays a role in physical traits, like chromosomes, reproductive organs, and hormones. But biology doesn’t necessarily tell you how you feel inside.
For example, a person who’s biologically male but identifies as a woman might not have female reproductive organs or chromosomes, but they still identify, live, and experience life as a woman.
In certain medical or physical contexts, biology matters (like healthcare decisions or understanding biological sex), but when it comes to gender identity, biology isn’t the defining factor for most people.
Why does how you feel matter more for identity?
Self-determination: How you feel or identify is tied to your sense of self and personal experience. Denying someone’s gender identity based on biology can lead to a disconnect between how they see themselves and how the world perceives them.
Respect and recognition: In society, we increasingly understand that gender identity is a valid part of who someone is, and this understanding helps foster respect, inclusion, and support for people to live authentically.
So yes, in the context of gender, how you feel about yourself (your identity) is what’s most important—and biology is just one piece of a much bigger puzzle. Identity is personal, fluid, and socially recognized in ways that go beyond physical characteristics.

[joswift]

ChatGPT is fucked in the head

[IroNat]

Swifty is an "otherkin".

Who knew?

[joswift]

Just been through a discusion about racism and gender identity

It always weasles out of corners by saying "some people think"

[BigRo]

What are you saying?

I am saying that what is the benefit of either believing in God or having AI confirm when it does not change our experience much. It is better to have a mystical experience on magic mushrooms.

[Dave D]

Wow….. the system is already screwed up.

[Lartinos]

So how I feel should determine how others see me?

It’s interesting to watch a super genius purposely defend stupidity.

It’s like watching a lawyer defend some scumbag.

[Grape Ape]

If this is the same source that's telling DJ he's going to gain muscle on 700 cal, please take with grain of salt.

[unwieldy]

People need to google "chinese room experiment" to understand what chatgpt is.

[unwieldy]

And also, let us not forget that "the existence of God" is not a good question as it is abstract and inconsequential. The right question is: what is the one true religion?

[BigRo]

And also, let us not forget that "the existence of God" is not a good question as it is abstract and inconsequential. The right question is: what is the one true religion?

You are placing Protestantism above God. There is no one true religion.

[unwieldy]

You are placing Protestantism above God. There is no one true religion.

Theological lazyness / path of least resistance / complacency mindset.

20 Essential Truths of the New Testament

No. 1 - The Purposes of Holy Scripture is for the knowledge of salvation: Rom. 15:4; 1 Cor. 10:11;
2 Tim. 3:15; 2 Pet. 1:21

No. 2 - The Holy Scriptures were inspired by God to teach us all truth: Mark 12:24; John 16:13, 20:31; 2 Tim. 3:14; 2 Pet. 1:19

No. 3 - The Spirit of God teaches us personally through the study of the Scriptures: Matt. 4:4; John 20:30; 2 Cor. 4:3; Heb. 4:12

No. 4 - Man in sin cannot understand the Bible: John 8:47;  1 Cor 2:14; 2 Pet 3:16

No. 5 - We must be under the influence of the Holy Spirit: Luke 24:45; Rom 8:5; 1 Cor 2:9; 1 Cor 2:15; Eph 1:16; 1 John 2:20

No. 6 - Religious traditions are false doctrines: Matthew 15:3; Mark 7:7; Gal 1:8; Col 2:8,20; 1 Timothy 1:3, 6:3; Rev 22:18

No. 7 - God, the one Father and Creator, is ONE with His only Son, Jesus Christ, in a single Spirit who gives life: Matthew 3:16; Matthew 28:19; John 14:26, John 16:13; John 16:27; 2 Cor 13:13; Eph 4:4;  Tit 3:4; 1Jn 5:6

No. 8 - Jesus Christ is God from all eternity, Word of God, true God and true man:
Jn 1:1, 1:9, 8:58, 10:30; Col 1:14; 2:8; 1Tim 3:16; Heb 1:5; 1Jn 2:22, 4:15, 5:11, 1Jn 5:20; Rev 1:8

No. 9 - God is the ONLY One who must receive, in the name of Jesus Christ, our worship and prayers: Mt 4:10, 6:9; Jn 14:13; Jn 16:23; Jas 1:5;  1 John 3:22

No. 10 - All men are born in a state of sin and are condemned to eternal death: John 8:21, 15:5;
Rom 2:1, 3:10, 5:12, 6:23, 7:5; 1 Cor 1:19, 15:21; Eph 2:1, 4:17

No. 11 - All sin leads to death, without distinction between venial and mortal sins: Rom 6:23; 1 Cor 6:9; Gal 3:10, 5:19; Jas 2:10; 1 John 3:4 Rev 21:8

No. 12 - Jesus Christ, by dying in our place, made atonement for our sins, and delivers us from the curse of death: Rom 5:6; 2 Cor 5:18; Gal 3:13 Col 2:10; Heb 9:26;  1 Pet 2:24

No. 13 - It is by faith in the blood of Jesus Christ that our souls are purified: Rom 5:1, 5:9, 8:1, 8:29, 8:32-37;
2 Cor 5:1; Eph 1:6; Phil 1:23; Col 1:22, 2:13; Heb 7:25, 9:26; 1 Pet 2:24; 1 John 1:7; Rev 1:6, 7:14

No. 14 - Only Jesus Christ is Savior: nothing else saves us before God, neither gold, nor silver, nor virgins, nor saints, nor angels, nor religious practices: John 10:9, 15:4; Acts 4:12; 1 Timothy 2:5;  1 Pet 1:18

No. 15 - The only mediator between God and men is Jesus Christ: the only high priest, the only intercessor, the only counselor, the only leader, and the only shepherd: John 14:6, John 14:13; Rom 8:33; Eph 2:8, 1 Tim 2:5; Heb 7:24, 9:24; 1 John 2:1

No. 16 - Salvation is free, through faith in Jesus Christ: so whoever believes and obeys the Lord Jesus Christ is justified and saved. John 1:12, 3:16, 3:36, 20:31; Acts 10:43, 16:30; Rom 1:17, 3:23, Rom 5:1; Gal 2:16, 3:11; Ephesians 2:8, Titus 3:4;  1 John 5:10

No. 17 To attain salvation, man must confess his sins and ask God for forgiveness: Matthew 12:36;
Luke 11:2, 18:13; Acts 2:38, 8:22; Rom. 14:12; 2 Corinthians 5:19-21; 1 Pet. 1:18, 1 John 2:1-2

No. 18 - The doctrine of salvation by works is unbiblical. Salvation cannot be bought. It is a gift from God: Matthew 19:25; Luke 17:10; Rom. 3:19, 11:6; Gal. 2:16, 3:10; Gal. 5:4; Eph. 2:8

No. 19 - True faith naturally generates good works through the Holy Spirit: Rom. 6:5; Gal. 5:6; Eph. 2:8;  Tit 2:13; Heb 11:6; Jas 2:14; 1 Jn 2:4/by obedience: Gal 5:16, 5:22, Eph 4:24, 5:8; Jas 1:16

No. 20 Jesus will return for the elect: Jn 12:26, ​​14:3, 14:18
1 Th 4:14
AND EVERYTHING WILL BE JUDGED: MT 12:36, 16:27, RM 2:5, 14:10; 1 Co 4:5; 2 Tim 4:1; Re 20:12-15

[BigRo]

Theological lazyness / path of least resistance / complacency mindset.

20 Essential Truths of the New Testament

No. 1 - The Purposes of Holy Scripture is for the knowledge of salvation: Rom. 15:4; 1 Cor. 10:11;
2 Tim. 3:15; 2 Pet. 1:21

No. 2 - The Holy Scriptures were inspired by God to teach us all truth: Mark 12:24; John 16:13, 20:31; 2 Tim. 3:14; 2 Pet. 1:19

No. 3 - The Spirit of God teaches us personally through the study of the Scriptures: Matt. 4:4; John 20:30; 2 Cor. 4:3; Heb. 4:12

No. 4 - Man in sin cannot understand the Bible: John 8:47;  1 Cor 2:14; 2 Pet 3:16

No. 5 - We must be under the influence of the Holy Spirit: Luke 24:45; Rom 8:5; 1 Cor 2:9; 1 Cor 2:15; Eph 1:16; 1 John 2:20

No. 6 - Religious traditions are false doctrines: Matthew 15:3; Mark 7:7; Gal 1:8; Col 2:8,20; 1 Timothy 1:3, 6:3; Rev 22:18

No. 7 - God, the one Father and Creator, is ONE with His only Son, Jesus Christ, in a single Spirit who gives life: Matthew 3:16; Matthew 28:19; John 14:26, John 16:13; John 16:27; 2 Cor 13:13; Eph 4:4;  Tit 3:4; 1Jn 5:6

No. 8 - Jesus Christ is God from all eternity, Word of God, true God and true man:
Jn 1:1, 1:9, 8:58, 10:30; Col 1:14; 2:8; 1Tim 3:16; Heb 1:5; 1Jn 2:22, 4:15, 5:11, 1Jn 5:20; Rev 1:8

No. 9 - God is the ONLY One who must receive, in the name of Jesus Christ, our worship and prayers: Mt 4:10, 6:9; Jn 14:13; Jn 16:23; Jas 1:5;  1 John 3:22

No. 10 - All men are born in a state of sin and are condemned to eternal death: John 8:21, 15:5;
Rom 2:1, 3:10, 5:12, 6:23, 7:5; 1 Cor 1:19, 15:21; Eph 2:1, 4:17

No. 11 - All sin leads to death, without distinction between venial and mortal sins: Rom 6:23; 1 Cor 6:9; Gal 3:10, 5:19; Jas 2:10; 1 John 3:4 Rev 21:8

No. 12 - Jesus Christ, by dying in our place, made atonement for our sins, and delivers us from the curse of death: Rom 5:6; 2 Cor 5:18; Gal 3:13 Col 2:10; Heb 9:26;  1 Pet 2:24

No. 13 - It is by faith in the blood of Jesus Christ that our souls are purified: Rom 5:1, 5:9, 8:1, 8:29, 8:32-37;
2 Cor 5:1; Eph 1:6; Phil 1:23; Col 1:22, 2:13; Heb 7:25, 9:26; 1 Pet 2:24; 1 John 1:7; Rev 1:6, 7:14

No. 14 - Only Jesus Christ is Savior: nothing else saves us before God, neither gold, nor silver, nor virgins, nor saints, nor angels, nor religious practices: John 10:9, 15:4; Acts 4:12; 1 Timothy 2:5;  1 Pet 1:18

No. 15 - The only mediator between God and men is Jesus Christ: the only high priest, the only intercessor, the only counselor, the only leader, and the only shepherd: John 14:6, John 14:13; Rom 8:33; Eph 2:8, 1 Tim 2:5; Heb 7:24, 9:24; 1 John 2:1

No. 16 - Salvation is free, through faith in Jesus Christ: so whoever believes and obeys the Lord Jesus Christ is justified and saved. John 1:12, 3:16, 3:36, 20:31; Acts 10:43, 16:30; Rom 1:17, 3:23, Rom 5:1; Gal 2:16, 3:11; Ephesians 2:8, Titus 3:4;  1 John 5:10

No. 17 To attain salvation, man must confess his sins and ask God for forgiveness: Matthew 12:36;
Luke 11:2, 18:13; Acts 2:38, 8:22; Rom. 14:12; 2 Corinthians 5:19-21; 1 Pet. 1:18, 1 John 2:1-2

No. 18 - The doctrine of salvation by works is unbiblical. Salvation cannot be bought. It is a gift from God: Matthew 19:25; Luke 17:10; Rom. 3:19, 11:6; Gal. 2:16, 3:10; Gal. 5:4; Eph. 2:8

No. 19 - True faith naturally generates good works through the Holy Spirit: Rom. 6:5; Gal. 5:6; Eph. 2:8;  Tit 2:13; Heb 11:6; Jas 2:14; 1 Jn 2:4/by obedience: Gal 5:16, 5:22, Eph 4:24, 5:8; Jas 1:16

No. 20 Jesus will return for the elect: Jn 12:26, ​​14:3, 14:18
1 Th 4:14
AND EVERYTHING WILL BE JUDGED: MT 12:36, 16:27, RM 2:5, 14:10; 1 Co 4:5; 2 Tim 4:1; Re 20:12-15

1) Do you consider yourself to be one of the elect?

2) If religious traditions are all false doctrines then all this seemingly painstaking referencing is just a part of that.

3) Are you under the influence of the Holy Spirit? Is it the Holy Spirit that makes you spend your time and energy writing all this out?

4) Have you ever questioned this sense of self you feel yourself to be? Or do you just take it for granted as a solid created thing that has better things to do?

[unwieldy]

1) Do you consider yourself to be one of the elect?

2) If religious traditions are all false doctrines then all this seemingly painstaking referencing is just a part of that.

3) Are you under the influence of the Holy Spirit? Is it the Holy Spirit that makes you spend your time and energy writing all this out?

4) Have you ever questioned this sense of self you feel yourself to be? Or do you just take it for granted as a solid created thing that has better things to do?

Pearls of wisdom are truly wasted on you. You have revealed that you don't even know the difference between religious practices and holy scripture. Even dumber than I thought. And all the clear concrete evidence against Roman Catholicism is also lost on you. There is no hope for you, forget about it.

[BigRo]

Pearls of wisdom are truly wasted on you. You have revealed that you don't even know the difference between religious practices and holy scripture. Even dumber than I thought. And all the clear concrete evidence against Roman Catholicism is also lost on you. There is no hope for you, forget about it.

Too lazy to answer my questions. You said you are in possession of the one true religion of which religious practices are a part like Bible study, going to Church, receiving holy communion etc. There is no concrete evidence against Catholicism from Jesus himself but he had much to say about not casting pearls before fat pigs.

[unwieldy]

Too lazy to answer my questions. You said you are in possession of the one true religion of which religious practices are a part like Bible study, going to Church, receiving holy communion etc. There is no concrete evidence against Catholicism from Jesus himself but he had much to say about not casting pearls before fat pigs.

Pointing out that your questions do not warrant any answers and eternal damnation awaits you. Moving on.

[joswift]

You are placing Protestantism above God. There is no one true religion.

Do you believe Jesus is God?

The holy trinity?