California’s unconstitutional gerrymandering

[Primemuscle]

I know you live in Canada and probably have no idea how our system works, but the process in Texas and California is not the same.  The Texas process went through the legislature, like their state constitution allows.  The process in California is a referendum, where people vote, like their state constitution allows.

So both are legal? Coach doesn't think so.

[Dos Equis]

So both are legal? Coach doesn't think so.

So you skip right over how wrong Necrosis was. 

[Primemuscle]

So you skip right over how wrong Necrosis was.

That is Right. Because my question pertains to posts exchanged between Coach and me.

Your response seems rather odd. BTW.

[Dos Equis]

That is Right. Because my question pertains to posts exchanged between Coach and me.

Your response seems rather odd. BTW.

My post was directed to Necrosis.  You responded to my post by talking about Coach.  Odd.  Actually, no it isn't.  It's predictable. 

[Necrosis]

I know you live in Canada and probably have no idea how our system works, but the process in Texas and California is not the same.  The Texas process went through the legislature, like their state constitution allows.  The process in California is a referendum, where people vote, like their state constitution allows.

Seems a lot more democratic via californias method. I mean I can only imagine that the legislature is stacked red in texas. Mid decade map redrawing is pretty rare, with the incumbent generally losing seats in mid terms adding five seats (from immiserated communities) seems like a clear attempt to hold on to power and subvert the will of the people.

I am glad you stated Newsom did it constitutionally refuting coach's claims.

He was probably loading up some guns getting ready to take war to newsom for his treachery.

[Dos Equis]

Seems a lot more democratic via californias method. I mean I can only imagine that the legislature is stacked red in texas. Mid decade map redrawing is pretty rare, with the incumbent generally losing seats in mid terms adding five seats (from immiserated communities) seems like a clear attempt to hold on to power and subvert the will of the people.

I am glad you stated Newsom did it constitutionally refuting coach's claims.

He was probably loading up some guns getting ready to take war to newsom for his treachery.

California voters are stacked blue, so your contention about Texas also applies to California.

[Necrosis]

California voters are stacked blue, so your contention about Texas also applies to California.

not even close. The public vs sitting members is not even close to the same, they can sway each other, collude, have a party they are beholden to, face consequences for not towing the line, I mean I could go on but its so silly it truly doesn't merit a response. Otherwise why have elections? I am going to start tallying up all the logical fallacies you engage in for fun. Have you ever studied logic? You should, it will help you make sense more often and form coherent positions.

today we have something called a false equivalence. That's 1 for today so far- I will leave the others in the other threads out. Give you a fresh start of sorts.

[chaos]

not even close. The public vs sitting members is not even close to the same, they can sway each other, collude, have a party they are beholden to, face consequences for not towing the line, I mean I could go on but its so silly it truly doesn't merit a response. Otherwise why have elections? I am going to start tallying up all the logical fallacies you engage in for fun. Have you ever studied logic? You should, it will help you make sense more often and form coherent positions.

today we have something called a false equivalence. That's 1 for today so far- I will leave the others in the other threads out. Give you a fresh start of sorts.

You should stick to canadian politics. I hope you know more about that pile of shit than you do American politics cause you are one poor deluded, misguided soul.

[Dos Equis]

not even close. The public vs sitting members is not even close to the same, they can sway each other, collude, have a party they are beholden to, face consequences for not towing the line, I mean I could go on but its so silly it truly doesn't merit a response. Otherwise why have elections? I am going to start tallying up all the logical fallacies you engage in for fun. Have you ever studied logic? You should, it will help you make sense more often and form coherent positions.

today we have something called a false equivalence. That's 1 for today so far- I will leave the others in the other threads out. Give you a fresh start of sorts.

That's ignorant.  Voting by elective representatives is primarily how we run our state and federal governments.  You obviously don't know squat about American politics.

But never fear.  We are here to help. 

[Necrosis]

That's ignorant.  Voting by elective representatives is primarily how we run our state and federal governments.  You obviously don't know squat about American politics.

But never fear.  We are here to help.

nice fail lolol.

Resort to ad hominem, this is the third logical fallacy in as many posts- all different as well! lolol. You should seriously think about learning some logic.

There is another fallacy in there as well, do you want me to point it out or can you spot it on your own?

I don't know why you even try as you are constantly sodomized because your reasoning is piss poor.

[Necrosis]

You should stick to canadian politics. I hope you know more about that pile of shit than you do American politics cause you are one poor deluded, misguided soul.

one point proves it, representatives can do things that are unpopular, thats all you need to know to know your assertions are stupid. If it's unpopular, its unpopular with whom? thus it would not be done if put to a vote, but yet it can be because representatives can do unpopular things because of the power vested in them.

I mean I can give you some analogies if thats how you learn? I realize its expedient for you to not admit your logic is unsound.

[chaos]

one point proves it, representatives can do things that are unpopular, thats all you need to know to know your assertions are stupid. If it's unpopular, its unpopular with whom? thus it would not be done if put to a vote, but yet it can be because representatives can do unpopular things because of the power vested in them.

I mean I can give you some analogies if thats how you learn? I realize its expedient for you to not admit your logic is unsound.

Do you even know how they are manipulating your kind here in CA to vote? They are constantly running ads saying that Trump is trying to change the future and the only way to combat it is by voting yes, they are fear mongering you dumb ass democrat voters. For a group of people that calls themselves woke, you dipshits sure aren't seeing things.

[chaos]

[Dos Equis]

nice fail lolol.

Resort to ad hominem, this is the third logical fallacy in as many posts- all different as well! lolol. You should seriously think about learning some logic.

There is another fallacy in there as well, do you want me to point it out or can you spot it on your own?

I don't know why you even try as you are constantly sodomized because your reasoning is piss poor.

Wait.  Are you saying the vast majority of our state and federal governments do not operate through representatives rather through referendums?  Or do you not understand what the means?

[Irongrip400]

You may not like what California and Texas are doing, but they are acting within the guidelines of their respective state constitutions.

[chaos]

You may not like what California and Texas are doing, but they are acting within the guidelines of their respective state constitutions.

The problem with CA is that Newscum is only doing it as a tit for tat against Texas. If you watch the video I posted he explain in more detail the impact on Californians that vote red.

[Moontrane]

You may not like what California and Texas are doing, but they are acting within the guidelines of their respective state constitutions.

You are literally correct, because CA’s constitution allows for propositions like prop 50. 

The problem is, we passed a proposition creating an independent commission to draw congressional districts.  Newsom is promoting a TEMPORARY measure to redraw districts until the next census.

If it’s the bee’s knees, the cat’s meow, why is it temporary?

As Chaos posted above, it's an attempt at a tit for tat.

[Necrosis]

The problem with CA is that Newscum is only doing it as a tit for tat against Texas. If you watch the video I posted he explain in more detail the impact on Californians that vote red.

obviously, he stated as much. He said he would not if texas didnt do it.

[Necrosis]

That's ignorant.  Voting by elective representatives is primarily how we run our state and federal governments.  You obviously don't know squat about American politics.

But never fear.  We are here to help.

Non-sense, you realize the will of the people can be against the sitting reps whilst that rep is in office for the term until an election can take place right? hence people getting elected out etc.

Taking the temperature of the masses vs a person with pressure on him is not the same, no  matter how much you want to believe it is.

There are people who voted for trump that would vote him out now, thats a fact, the fact that that is a fact disproves your notion as he is there for 4 more years regardless of the will of those people.

I know basic logic escapes you and you would like to paint me as someone who doesn't understand things to make your having to defend yourself un-needed but alas you silly worldview gets exposed again.

Just like it wasn't an insurrection trump is guilty of fraud. You cherry pick when you will bleed boundaries and things when rules matter.

[Dos Equis]

Non-sense, you realize the will of the people can be against the sitting reps whilst that rep is in office for the term until an election can take place right? hence people getting elected out etc.

Taking the temperature of the masses vs a person with pressure on him is not the same, no  matter how much you want to believe it is.

There are people who voted for trump that would vote him out now, thats a fact, the fact that that is a fact disproves your notion as he is there for 4 more years regardless of the will of those people.

I know basic logic escapes you and you would like to paint me as someone who doesn't understand things to make your having to defend yourself un-needed but alas you silly worldview gets exposed again.

Just like it wasn't an insurrection trump is guilty of fraud. You cherry pick when you will bleed boundaries and things when rules matter.

It isn't nonsense.  It's a fact.  I will try and help you understand again.

1.  Our federal government is run primarily through elected representatives.  The only referendum-type governing is done through amending the Constitution, and even that is done  on a representative basis, because it requires vote of two thirds of the House and Senate and two thirds of the states.   Or by a convention of states, which is likely never going to happen.  So for all intents and purposes, our federal government is governed by elected representatives.   

2.  State governments are run primarily through elected representatives.  Some states like California and Hawaii allow some issues to be decided by referendum.  Even in those states, the overwhelming majority of governing is done through elected representatives. 

These are facts.  Whether you choose to accept them or not is up to you. 

[chaos]

obviously, he stated as much. He said he would not if texas didnt do it.

Glad you agree he's only doing it out of spite, just to be a cunt. Rather than worry about homelessness, out of control taxes, fire or water management, infrastructure, etc, he's worried about what Texas is doing.

[Coach is Back!]

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[Moontrane]

obviously, he stated as much. He said he would not if texas didnt do it.

If it’s the bee’s knees, the cat’s meow, why is it temporary?

[Necrosis]

It isn't nonsense.  It's a fact.  I will try and help you understand again.

1.  Our federal government is run primarily through elected representatives.  The only referendum-type governing is done through amending the Constitution, and even that is done  on a representative basis, because it requires vote of two thirds of the House and Senate and two thirds of the states.   Or by a convention of states, which is likely never going to happen.  So for all intents and purposes, our federal government is governed by elected representatives.   

2.  State governments are run primarily through elected representatives.  Some states like California and Hawaii allow some issues to be decided by referendum.  Even in those states, the overwhelming majority of governing is done through elected representatives. 

These are facts.  Whether you choose to accept them or not is up to you.

I understand that, it has zero bearing on what I said though. But thanks for trying. I see you have trouble thinking about things in an abstract manner.

Right now there are elected representatives that do not represent the will of the people. That point is all I need to make for your whole argument to fall apart. Regardless of decorum, procedure or tradition. 

I do not think you understand what I am saying to be truthful. Either you can't or you won't

[Dos Equis]

I understand that, it has zero bearing on what I said though. But thanks for trying. I see you have trouble thinking about things in an abstract manner.

Right now there are elected representatives that do not represent the will of the people. That point is all I need to make for your whole argument to fall apart. Regardless of decorum, procedure or tradition. 

I do not think you understand what I am saying to be truthful. Either you can't or you won't

Again, you don't know what the heck you're talking about.  This started with you saying what Texas did was unconstitutional. 

Texas gerrymandered first without a vote, newsom did this in response and indicated he wouldn't if texas didn't. He also matched the number of seats to what texas added for the GOP and did it democratically via vote LOLOLol, texas did not.

You are fucking delusional as usual. It's in response to the rights obvious power grab because midterms will be a bloodbath as the economy is in shambles as per jerome powell and this authoritarian regime is trampling rights. The courts literally just said trump is delusional with his national guard/military on US soil nonsense, he is trying to get journalists to agree to be given news and almost none will agree to it, its typical fascist bullshit. He knows better then you! he is owed 5 seats and abbott gave it to them so newsom responded, warned he would and did it democratically via vote.

I know you are a simpleton and believe everything fox tells you but spinning this in any other way when newsom said he would if Texas did is disingenuous.

Let's recap for the retards in the back
- trump says he is owed 5 seats
- texas obliges
- newsom says if you try to steal midterms with this obvious power grab I will gerrymander- keep in mind now that when gerrymandering was brought for a vote, to stop it, no republican voted and all the demos did lolol
- newsom matches 5 seats, could of done more but he isn't a fascist
- newsom puts it to a democratic vote unlike texas

It's newsom's fault, what a psycho.

I've explained to you how our system works.  You clearly don't understand it.  But it's ok.  Keep reading and maybe the lightbulb will eventually turn on.  Or not.