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Re: A huge and common copout lie uttered by right wingers
« Reply #25 on: October 18, 2025, 04:50:56 PM »
I am a right winger but there is one phrase I wish people would stop saying: "... migrants who want to integrate in our society are welcome.."

Its just not true. They can fuck off with the rest of them. Every filthy migrant that enters our borders is taking food off our tables.

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Re: A huge and common copout lie uttered by right wingers
« Reply #26 on: October 18, 2025, 05:00:50 PM »
Let's skip the small talk and get to the part where the black Messiah returns and raises the dead in him along with those living in him and transforms those people to be like him and uses them to destroy your kingdom, establish his kingdom, throw Satan in a pit for 1000 years and the anti-Christ and false prophet in to the Lake of Fire for eternity.  Aka hell.and rules for 1000 years before his father, OUR Father, joins us after this thousand year reign after the final judgement and after Satan is let out a little season to cause havoc and sides with Gog and Magog and they pathetically attempt to go against the Kingdom of the Messiah only for fire to reign down from heaven from the Father destroying them all and Satan and death are thrown into the lake of fire for eternity.
Are you sure you're following the right god?
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Re: A huge and common copout lie uttered by right wingers
« Reply #27 on: October 18, 2025, 06:40:43 PM »
I am a right winger but there is one phrase I wish people would stop saying: "... migrants who want to integrate in our society are welcome.."

Its just not true. They can fuck off with the rest of them. Every filthy migrant that enters our borders is taking food off our tables.

Migrants put food ON our tables, actually.  You think Americans are able to pick crops?  We’re all soft & spoiled.

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Re: A huge and common copout lie uttered by right wingers
« Reply #28 on: October 18, 2025, 06:49:39 PM »
Georgia passed a tough anti-immigration law back in 2011, HB 87.  The result was that Georgia was short thousands of agricultural workers and suffered ~$140,000,000 in crop losses.  There was no one to pick the fields, and the crops rotted on the stalk.  They attempted to substitute prisoners for the migrants next year, but it was ineffective.

Fortunately for Georgia, a court issued a permanent injunction staying the law in 2013.

Seems like we are poised to repeat this experiment, but on a national scale this time.  Oh boy …

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Re: A huge and common copout lie uttered by right wingers
« Reply #29 on: October 18, 2025, 08:59:40 PM »
I think illegal immigration is a problem in the US but it is not even top ten in issues. I think the sheep, and ignorant are making this their biggest issue. Which is what the rich elites want. I am lucky that I have been able to climb the socio-economic ladder from being raised in a conservative high middle class family and most of my family is middle class. It is very clear that while the peasants fight over their 1 % and blame brown/black folks they lose sight of what is actually happening. The real anger in America is because most people can no longer afford things. 1% of the population owns 98% of the resources. That is the real issue.

Capitalism has grown unchecked, and that is the problem. I make most of my income as capital gains so the taxes are outrageous as it is, but the problem is that there are too many loop holes and the wealthiest get out of paying most of their taxes. Look at wealth inequality since Reagan with his tax cuts. That is the problem. Again I benefit from these tax cuts but what benefit can I have now that I finally made it if the people around me are all in a bad situation.

Illegal immigration has actually subsidized food prices en masse for Americans, and most illegals pay into social security and will never benefit from it. If you remove them when the economy is bad its going to hurt the wallet of Americans. Yes, we need true immigration reform. The reason we do not have it is that the corporations profit from their hard work ethic, and the low wages they can pay them.

There has been an erosion of American values as well, and not the ones you think. All this bs of Christian values, that is not the problem. Our immigrants (legal or illegal) are mostly Christian. The values I am talking about is the work ethic. Our great grandfather's worked their farms, and their children did as well. Now we hire poor immigrants, and our children do not have the work ethic, or skills to since they were never taught to have to do that.

The real solution to our problem is remove all politicians from office, ban trading on markets for any elected officials and their immediate family, bring forth new elections, delete gerrymandering do vote by county or through citizen elected commissions, and employ a flat tax. After these problems are fixed we can work on true immigration reform. With the problems we are facing it should not be top 5 if it will push us further into economic decline. Also the cost to remove all of these illegals is more than a trillion dollars over 10 years, we could probably do something better with that money since we are no longer economically viable as a nation. If we were wealthy and had less issues I would have no issues with it.

Most of the people I talk to, or see that want to have their opinions heard don't seem to see the big issue.  Go here before you fight with the other 99% for the remaining 1% of your pie. https://www.usdebtclock.org/ Remember you are closer/more similar in situation to the 3rd grade educated illegal immigrant than you are to the billionaire from your same town that had a grand parent from the same village as your grand parent. Wake up sheeple.

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Re: A huge and common copout lie uttered by right wingers
« Reply #30 on: October 19, 2025, 12:20:23 AM »
^^^ Taxes are legalized theft. Reagan cut ridiculously high taxes for individuals and corporations. Raise taxes on corporations and they raise their prices which we end up paying.

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Re: A huge and common copout lie uttered by right wingers
« Reply #31 on: October 19, 2025, 04:06:13 AM »
^^^ Taxes are legalized theft. Reagan cut ridiculously high taxes for individuals and corporations. Raise taxes on corporations and they raise their prices which we end up paying.


Look at socioeconomic inequality since Reagan, and after. Look at the net worth of the top 1% after Reagan, after Trump 1. Then tell me what you see bruh. Only regular people pay taxes. The rich don't and that's why most can't afford to live anymore.

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Re: A huge and common copout lie uttered by right wingers
« Reply #32 on: October 19, 2025, 06:15:51 AM »
Disagree.

I have no problem with anyone who wants to come here through the same legal process that my grandparents came here through. Very simple.

After they go through the immigration process they can apply for citizenship.  If they commit any felony person crimes, get caught with illegal forearms, sell dope or steal cars or are convicted of any crimes whatsoever,  they can get the fuck out and never be allowed back.

If they get citizenship,  they're entitled to the same rights as anyone else.

Nigerians moved beside me in my condo unit. Put mine up for sale 2 weeks later. The most uncivilized people I've ever come across. Insanenly loud and ignorant with no respect for anyone around them. The entire condo complex was disturbed and reeked of deep fried fish and rotten meat.
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Re: A huge and common copout lie uttered by right wingers
« Reply #33 on: October 19, 2025, 08:40:23 AM »

Look at socioeconomic inequality since Reagan, and after. Look at the net worth of the top 1% after Reagan, after Trump 1. Then tell me what you see bruh. Only regular people pay taxes. The rich don't and that's why most can't afford to live anymore.
You repeat the same Leftist talking points and it is wrong.
https://usafacts.org/articles/who-pays-the-most-income-tax/

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Re: A huge and common copout lie uttered by right wingers
« Reply #34 on: October 19, 2025, 08:48:18 AM »
Migrants put food ON our tables, actually.  You think Americans are able to pick crops?  We’re all soft & spoiled.
Migrants and illegal immigrants are not the same. Do you support slavery?
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Re: A huge and common copout lie uttered by right wingers
« Reply #35 on: October 19, 2025, 12:16:58 PM »
You repeat the same Leftist talking points and it is wrong.
https://usafacts.org/articles/who-pays-the-most-income-tax/

I am not a leftist, nor am I wrong. Look at corporate income taxes. That is the problem. Read it it may help you bruh.

Also I am not advocating for higher taxes. I am advocating for a flat tax on which all people pay the same tax percentage regardless of capability of earnings. Hardly a leftist viewpoint. I believe if we remove all tax loopholes, and make sure that corporations pay their fair share then we would not be in the situation we are. The sheeple don't see that corporations are controlling our government. The same people who complain about proper taxation probably do not even make enough to pay taxes, or pay a small share. People like Warren Buffet believe corporations should pay their fair share, which they don't.

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Re: A huge and common copout lie uttered by right wingers
« Reply #36 on: October 19, 2025, 01:17:06 PM »
Flat tax is the answer. But it will never happen.

I think people care more about how government money is spent when they're actually contributing. When too large of a portion doesn't pay any real amount of money then they don't care as much about the waste.

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Re: A huge and common copout lie uttered by right wingers
« Reply #37 on: October 19, 2025, 02:02:36 PM »
Flat tax is the answer. But it will never happen.

I think people care more about how government money is spent when they're actually contributing. When too large of a portion doesn't pay any real amount of money then they don't care as much about the waste.

Flat tax or some sort of uniform sales tax on goods across the board. Taxes are too difficult for a normal person, let alone a business. CPAs just figure out ways to beat the taxman, and it just seems dumb. This coming from a guy who tries to beat the taxman yearly.

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Re: A huge and common copout lie uttered by right wingers
« Reply #38 on: October 19, 2025, 03:26:25 PM »
Flat tax is the answer. But it will never happen.

I think people care more about how government money is spent when they're actually contributing. When too large of a portion doesn't pay any real amount of money then they don't care as much about the waste.

If we actually used our voting power this would be the solution, I agree. Unfortunately, I also agree it is a pipe dream :( .

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Re: A huge and common copout lie uttered by right wingers
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Re: A huge and common copout lie uttered by right wingers
« Reply #40 on: October 20, 2025, 02:11:49 AM »
We work literally half the year for the state...

normies dont understand how much tax is being extracted...

UK tax:
20% income progressive
13% NIC
15% ENIC
8% pension
8% Employers pension contribution
20%VAT
60% fuel duty
23% green levy on utilities
Road tax
6% insurance premium tax
- 40% inheritance tax when you die.

They tax you 20-40+% when you earn money, 20% when you spend money, and if you have enough left over when you die, they take 40% of that too

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Re: A huge and common copout lie uttered by right wingers
« Reply #41 on: October 20, 2025, 02:28:07 AM »
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Re: A huge and common copout lie uttered by right wingers
« Reply #42 on: October 20, 2025, 07:30:18 AM »
We work literally half the year for the state...

normies dont understand how much tax is being extracted...

UK tax:
20% income progressive
13% NIC
15% ENIC
8% pension
8% Employers pension contribution
20%VAT
60% fuel duty
23% green levy on utilities
Road tax
6% insurance premium tax
- 40% inheritance tax when you die.

They tax you 20-40+% when you earn money, 20% when you spend money, and if you have enough left over when you die, they take 40% of that too

I get my Vat back and only get charged my USA income taxes for my UK profits.

That combined with my Florida residency (no state income tax) is a sweet deal.


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Re: A huge and common copout lie uttered by right wingers
« Reply #43 on: October 20, 2025, 08:12:57 AM »
I am a right winger and i liked this dance from Wulf of Wall Street

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Re: A huge and common copout lie uttered by right wingers
« Reply #44 on: October 20, 2025, 09:41:00 AM »
Nigerians moved beside me in my condo unit. Put mine up for sale 2 weeks later. The most uncivilized people I've ever come across. Insanenly loud and ignorant with no respect for anyone around them. The entire condo complex was disturbed and reeked of deep fried fish and rotten meat.

I'm not in the US but I've seen many mentions of how blacks arriving recently out of Africa is almost a different species compared to the African-American black. Much different behaved. Also seen mentions of antagonism between these two groups. The recently arrived might be the highly educated type so there might be a selection affect but maybe also cultural, but maybe even genetic? What say you Americans?

I always complain of the Somalis here. The youth are a daily nuisance. Guttural yells and a vocabulary mostly consisting of "wallah bro I swear!" The tone between them is loud, argumentative, hostile and they keep pulling and slapping each other and jumping around like monkeys. What's tragic is sometimes some white kid is forced to grow up with these and they adopt these affectations to fit in :'(
Many US African Americans in the hood have a retarded way of speaking also, at least that's what I see on the net. It's like how animalistic can we make it and how badly can we butcher the language LOL.

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Re: A huge and common copout lie uttered by right wingers
« Reply #45 on: October 20, 2025, 10:13:22 AM »
Migrants put food ON our tables, actually.  You think Americans are able to pick crops?  We’re all soft & spoiled.

God you are a dumbass. Pre 1960 did we all fucking starve?  Migrants were brought in to raise profits for farms. Quite smoking the liberal bong.

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Re: A huge and common copout lie uttered by right wingers
« Reply #46 on: October 20, 2025, 10:15:38 AM »
You don't NEED migrants from Middle-east/North-africa, Americans can do everything themselves just like in the 50s and 60s.


Thats just leftist propaganda/poopergranada that you have to import so many people for things to work
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Re: A huge and common copout lie uttered by right wingers
« Reply #47 on: October 20, 2025, 12:10:54 PM »
I'm not in the US but I've seen many mentions of how blacks arriving recently out of Africa is almost a different species compared to the African-American black. Much different behaved. Also seen mentions of antagonism between these two groups. The recently arrived might be the highly educated type so there might be a selection affect but maybe also cultural, but maybe even genetic? What say you Americans?

I always complain of the Somalis here. The youth are a daily nuisance. Guttural yells and a vocabulary mostly consisting of "wallah bro I swear!" The tone between them is loud, argumentative, hostile and they keep pulling and slapping each other and jumping around like monkeys. What's tragic is sometimes some white kid is forced to grow up with these and they adopt these affectations to fit in :'(
Many US African Americans in the hood have a retarded way of speaking also, at least that's what I see on the net. It's like how animalistic can we make it and how badly can we butcher the language LOL.

They are Westerners, they have nothing in common with black Africans except their skin colour.

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Re: A huge and common copout lie uttered by right wingers
« Reply #48 on: October 20, 2025, 05:37:28 PM »
They are Westerners, they have nothing in common with black Africans except their skin colour.

What about a thing called genes? :D Which affects behavior, unless you think we are like unwritten pages when born or that genes only affect outward appearance and not psychology/the brain.

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Re: A huge and common copout lie uttered by right wingers
« Reply #49 on: October 20, 2025, 05:41:17 PM »
What about a thing called genes? :D Which affects behavior, unless you think we are like unwritten pages when born or that genes only affect outward appearance and not psychology/the brain.
You are going into a territory that is "sensitive" to certain groups of people that claim behavior is based on socioeconomic status and not genes.
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